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[ylink_underestimted]

Welcome to the cult ShellBlade!

@Burning Lava: I always thought that it was a crab...oh well

[Burning Lava]

^^^ Yeah, it doesn't really matter. I guess it could be a crayfish. Point is, we all love it! Man, that game has great music and style!

I can't seem to stop spewing praises for that game can I? I'll shut up now.

[Wiseguy]

I just beat Phantom Hourglass last night. Amazing game. After the ending, I realized how sad I would be if WW Link didn't make it. A Nintendo icon of his calibur DEMANDS to be included in Brawl!

[jimmysilverrims]

The Windwaker personified the Gamecube. The Miniah Cap and Four Swords series showed Zelda's reburst onto the GBA and Phantom Hourglass has become the DS's must have game. I think that all of this points to the little cell shaded guy. Tie in the fact that the old Y. Link is probably out and will need a similar replacement all makes his inclusion so insanely obvious that I'm exceedingly confident in his inclusion, it's practically a given.

[Mad555]

Im sorry for everything I said earlier about WW Link not being Brawl. If WW Link does pwn, then I'll play with him.

Anyways if WW Link is in SSE, what should be his boss?
I was thinking that blue bird....Helmaroc King

http://zeldawiki.org/images/1/15/Helmaroc_king.gif

[Fawriel]

Apology accepted. After all, WW Link is pwn per definition. :p

The Helmaroc King is an interesting idea... though doubtful.
I'd imagine that he would either team up with Link to fight Ganondorf ( after the initial shock about temporal paradoxes )...
Or if he does get his own boss from his own series, it might be something from Phantom Hourglass. On the other hand, that game is a little too new, perhaps... Vaati is another option, though he didn't actually meet with the WW Link. But that can be ignored.

On the other hand, Fox' and Diddy's boss was a Pokemon, so WW Link might as well go up against Wart or Porky or something.

[Falco_Friend]

I bought Phantom Hourglass for my little sister, and got Wind Waker for myself. At first, I didn't like it as much as Majora's Mask (my favorite Zelda), as the Forsaken Fortress kind of sucked, but after the first temple, Dragon Roost Cavern, I'm loving the game. The graphics are great, and this Link is completely different from the Twilight Princess version. I do think he would make a great character, and would much rather have him over Shiek or Vaati.

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

I REALLY want DS for Phantom Hourglass! sigh....a dream to never come true....
Oh well, I still have Wind Waker! And I still have WWLink!

What's interested me, is that a few of the recent leakers who've showed up (some of which in the main thread about "leakers") have WWLink on the roster list. This is interesting mainly because WWLink disappeared from leaked roster lists for a long time.
What do you think? An Omen? Suggestion that the leakers are just fans of WWLink?

I laughed at a Vaati comment though. One roster has Vaati as a Zelda clone. ohh....lol...

[motsalogeL]

That could actually easily be possible.

[RushJet]

Any younger Link type in Brawl would be bad***. I mained him in Melee so I'd like to see him back in whatever form he takes be it young, WindWaker or whatever.

[Weltunter]

A question: Wouldn't it be a little bit strange if "Old" Link (TP) and "Young" Link (WW) meet each other in the SSE?

I know that storywise they aren't the same character, but well ... they are both called Link, they both wield very similiar weapons, and they nearly look the same (green clothing, blond hair...).

It wouldn't be a problem with characters like Bowser/Bowser Jr. (because he is Bowser's son) or Mario/Luigi (brothers).

But if TP-Link and WW-Link meet each other, it would be as confusing as when Zelda and Shiek meet each other as seperate characters.

That's why I don't really think Young Link will appear in the game as a playable character. Same with Wolf Link.

[RushJet]

Yeah that's a good point.

[motsalogeL]

Not really. I don't think they would kick out a veteran and deny a very likely characters his chance in the game just because it would be awkward if they both meet.

And even if they do meet all Sakurai has to do is give them both puzzled expressions when they first meet and that would be that problem solved.

[Weltunter]

He may be a veteran, but some veterans won't make the cut (especially the clones like Dr. Mario, Pichu and Young Link). And just some graphical difference won't unclone him, he will always be Young Link, a clone of Old Link.

And well... the puzzled expression would be cheap

[motsalogeL]

How about you read the first posts? Because that debunks all your "Arguments" and the only reason Sakurai is if he decides to actually bring them together in SSE, which he can simply just not do. And the SSE is merely a side mode of Brawl, it doesnt merit a character being taken out.

[Stryks]

He may be a veteran, but some veterans won't make the cut (especially the clones like Dr. Mario, Pichu and Young Link). And just some graphical difference won't unclone him, he will always be Young Link, a clone of Old Link.

And well... the puzzled expression would be cheap

Oh ok so we forget the what 5 or so games the new y. link (ww link style) has appeared AFTER melee?

do we forget the deku leaf, the digging claws from minish cap, the wind waker, the rope, the skull hammer, and all the other ones, including a possible 4 swords FS? (thatd be sick IMO) JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME HE WOULD BE A CLONE?!

GTFO

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

OR
Because this is Smash Bros, where nothing makes sense anyway, There's no problem with WWLink and Adult Link meeting.
In fact, if any two Links should meet, WWLink and any other Link would be the least awkward, as they are not the same person (Hero of Time is gone in Wind Waker, the Link from that game was just a youth the Red Lion King chose to succeed him), where a bunch of other Links are the same.

Also, it would be less awkward because of their difference in graphical designs. Similar graphics supports the idea they're the same person.

Anyway, HERO OF WINDS FTW!!!

[Earthbenderjump5]

"CLONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Actually, this is probably the most common one.
For some inexplicable reason, people hate so-called "clones" and continue to gleefully abuse Falco's pillar combo.
What constitutes a clone? In Melee, it was a character who, due to time constraints, has motions taken from those of another character, with a different model, different stats all around and a move or two altered for diversity.
Now how can you say that any character will be such a "clone" when you haven't played the game? There are no great time constraints that I am aware of, and every character so far seems to have had no involvement in copyright law violations.

But of course, some people seem to think that having a few similar moves makes characters clones. How interesting.
In that case, I suppose that Sheik and Samus are clones because they both have a sex kick, upwards spiral aerial and aerial back-kick. And they have chargeable projectiles! Oh my! And don't even get me started about Kirby and Jigglypuff.
It goes so far that some characters are characterized in people's minds by one singular attack. Sonic is a Jigglypuff clone. They roll. That they do. Nevermind the fact that everything else is completely different.

Now, try to imagine Falco looking completely different from Fox and being from a different game and whatnot. You'd get the occasional "they have so many similar moves", then people would shrug and happily use Fox and his tactics who are completely and utterly different from Falco's.
The same is the case for Link and young Link. Link is a swordsman who has some projectiles to back him up. Young Link is a projectile monster who happens to have a sword. They function completely differently.

But even still, a whole lot of people are going to happily show you just how different from old Link WW Link can possibly be.
More about that later.
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i don't feel like quoteing.


haha.
clones.
so you say there isn't any or so as to speak barely clones?
tell that to sukari (spelling) who said there were clones haha.

but i wouldn't mind him in.

not before gdorf minda and skull kid though.

[RushJet]

Yeah I agree. I still wouldn't mind clones they don't bother me too much. I'd rather have more characters that included clones than to not have those characters at all.

[Burning Lava]

*ahem* Attention please.

My fellow Knights, the formation of our club name went on mostly while I was away, but I am deeply honored to be among such fine company, and to be recognized as one of you. Therefore I wish to honor you as well. With sword held high, I salute you, Knights of the Drowned Kingdom!

[Igneous42]

Link in Smash isn't one single Link though. SO my only real problem with Young Link is it is pretty much just using different tools that Link uses in his games and making a second moveset based on them.

I could say Fusion Suit Samus should get in as her own character. The GB graphics are more anime like. So why not include fusion suit Samus with a cel shaded anime look and make her a whole new character. And do that instead of adding more metroid reps?

In theory it's the same concept.

[Burning Lava]

^^^There's one glaring difference between those two concepts that are in theory, the same. CS Link is awesome!

Haha, I'm totally JK! I see what you're saying, but at the same time you have to remember that CS Link (as I guess I'll call him until I feel good about something else) is a separate person, whereas Samus is always the same exact person, regardless of suit.

I don't know, it's different. You make a good point, and I commend you for not being a flamer, or posting stupid, angry anti-CS Link nonsense. CS Link just represents so much of the Zelda franchise these days that for many of us... it feels like Zelda isn't really getting any representation at all! I mean, there are probably many people who have only played a Cel-Shaded style Zelda game. You could have played quite a few Zelda games, and still only be familiar with the cute and lovable Cel-Shaded hero. It's not the best argument, but it's certainly not the only argument... (or the worst.)

Just kind of looking at it from a slightly different angle.

[Fawriel]

haha.
clones.
so you say there isn't any or so as to speak barely clones?
tell that to sukari (spelling) who said there were clones haha.
I kinda started rambling there. Not sure if I got to the point.
But, think about it, some people shoot down certain ideas because they feel that they would be "clones", yet the very definition of a clone is a character whose movements were re-used completely on a similar-looking model with some changes in physics and a few different moves here and there, with the purpose of saving time.
Unless they reuse the exact motions of a certain character for another one, there are no clones, and thus there will be no clones.

*ahem* Attention please.

My fellow Knights, the formation of our club name went on mostly while I was away, but I am deeply honored to be among such fine company, and to be recognized as one of you. Therefore I wish to honor you as well. With sword held high, I salute you, Knights of the Drowned Kingdom!
*salutes dramatically in front of an oversized flag of Hyrule swaying in the wind*

Link in Smash isn't one single Link though. SO my only real problem with Young Link is it is pretty much just using different tools that Link uses in his games and making a second moveset based on them.

I could say Fusion Suit Samus should get in as her own character. The GB graphics are more anime like. So why not include fusion suit Samus with a cel shaded anime look and make her a whole new character. And do that instead of adding more metroid reps?

In theory it's the same concept.
The problem with your argument is that you assume the very first sentence to be fact. I disagree with it, though. Everything's hinting to Brawl's old Link's identity as the one from Twilight Princess specifically, his appearance, retooled tools and even voice actor are all the same. He may be a representative of Links in general. But he's one person. And he might not be the representative of all Links, but... just the older ones. Or just the ones from the darker games.

[Johnknight1]

EVERYONE CHECK THIS OUT!

http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/

Before I start, Lucas is a Ness clone, though Ness probably won't return. Clones are confirmed, but Wind Waker Young Link will definitely be a original character.

Anyways, on that video get to the part where it shows trophies. It shows WIND WAKER LINK AS A TROPHY! But here's the catch...he's in his island clothing. In case you don't know his main clothing is his green tunic. Also, Samus has a trophy of herself, BUT IN HER FUSION SUIT! So, why were they hiding Wind Waker Link=??? Also, someone please translate the text so we can know stuff about it, lol!

So ya, that could be a hint of Wind Waker Link IS PLAYABLE IN BRAWL! :)

[courte]

with that new video i thought people would be like NO WW LINK
also i full clone is a clone, a clone with only borrowed specials is a new char... to me at least
NESS FOR BRAWL!!

[Johnknight1]

Dude, alternate costumes reconfirmed. Samus' suits ALL LOOK TOTALLY DIFFRENT! That means that THIS is one of Wind Waker Young Link's alternate outfits. C'mon-why would Sakurai have his island clothes and NOT HIS NORMAL TUNIC as a trophy if he's NOT PLAYABLE! :laugh: Point is, that further helps his chances! XD Thanks Sakurai, thanks trophies, and THANK YOU SAMUS! :)

[Burning Lava]

Wow, I was about to post about how this (Sheik) is one less spot for CS Link to fill, but my hope has sorta been rekindled. Good find JK1, or whoever found it! I really hope this means something. That character model of him looked great! It's gotta mean his in! Not only that, but (well maybe you guys don't care, but humor me) Chibi-Robo is a trophy! I don't want to assume he's got a good chance now, but there's still a bit of hope! Well, off I go to the Chibi-Robo thread!

EDIT: I would encourage all of you fine people who can stand the little guy to support the C-R thread;
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=73412

We could be mighty allies against greater powers! (OK, so it's like being allies with Greenland, but it couldn't hurt right?)

[ylink_underestimted]

Before I start reading everyone else's posts that I've missed, GET OWNED SHEIK HATERS!!!1!1eleven

*cough*Erm, CS Link 4 Brawl!!!

btw I barely noticed the new, uh notice where it says Brawl was delayed (again). T_T Too much waiting...but then again it might the same as the TP so yeah.

So again, CS Link 4 Brawl!!!

Edit: @JohnKnight: Dude! Freakin' awesome hahaha. Right when I read that the mere trophy was in, I instantly thought of Samus' Fusion Suit, and how she got it as an alternate Costume! haha
Hooray for more chances for CS Link!!!

Off Topic: Sheik looks so awesome, even though the scheme is still pretty much the same

Anywayz: No more CS Link is a clone thing. It starts to annoy me sometimes. Not really this time because no one's being a prick about it so yeah.
I think the original post said it all about clones though. Either way, if the two Links meet it wouldn't change any chances for CS Link. IMO it would all stay the same. I could totally see them meeting up in SE (which btw looks like the "Each Character Get His/Her Own Story" theory fails (which I'm probably way late on that)). Yes, a confused expression would be cheesy, but it would somehow work. I don't think Sakurai would just let it off like that though. He'd probably make them meet in some epic way :chuckle:

lwarB 4 kniL SC

[Fawriel]

Before I start reading everyone else's posts that I've missed, GET OWNED SHEIK HATERS!!!1!1eleven
*gets owned*

with that new video i thought people would be like NO WW LINK
With that Sheik update, I wouldn't be surprised. Now I can just hope that they can at least be bothered to try to remember the concept behind not being a ****ing killer machine. Bah.

Though I suppose that the pajama Link doesn't make much sense if he's not playable. I haven't seen it yet. It's in the video, right? The **** thing keeps stopping every few seconds even when I give it more than enough time to load. *sigh*

And what was that about costumes?

[ylink_underestimted]

@ Fawriel: hahaha
I own myself too though because it makes one less spot for CS Link to get in (along with Ganon), but then again, Sheik is in the same character box as Zelda! So by adding CS Link, the four character boxes would be the same as Melee! (Not adding any other characters that other people want of course)

btw I made an edit...

[Fawriel]

Confused expression isn't cheesy, it's classic.

[Johnknight1]

Alternate Costumes aren't Wario exclusive. Samus hass some, too. Or at least one of the power suit looks (from when she breaks the power suit in MP on Frigat Orpheon, lol!). Anyways-that further helps Wind Waker Link's chances. Now he's making Ridley and Krystal jealous in terms of chances. :cool:

[ylink_underestimted]

Well the way I saw it:
Link is running in the plains (I dunno). In another scene, CS Link is running, but in the same plains. They meet.
"HUH?" Both keep running.
Classic though, yes. They meet, then destroy...um Ganon.

Yup. Wario exclusive a literal Alternate Costume (where that changes color too). I first thought Young Link (OT style) would've done the same with Link, but no. Sakurai had to ruin it by saying "Wario alone". Oh well.
As for Ridley and Krystal: Ridley's alternate costume is...the metal ground in Snake's stage XD jkjk
Krystal's Alternate Costume trophy=a transy Fox with fake ****...yeah I went there haha (note I support Krystal)

lwarB 4 kniL SC

[ChewyChase]

I hate to burst your bubble, I'd really like to see this Link with a variant moveset and damage..

However, in one of the Japanese trailers, I saw a Hero of Winds Link trophy. He was wearing the blue outfit that you wear when you start Wind Waker on Outset Island... so if it were a smash trophy (like in Melee if it still works like that) I'm only assuming that he would be wearing the green tunic...

This probably decreases his chances substantially. If I find the link again I'll edit and repost it here.

[Fawriel]

We already know of that, and we really can't tell what it means. It might be an additional trophy like Mario's Striker's sticker and his Raccoon suit in Melee, it might be one of the standard trophies, we don't even know whether you'll get trophies for each character for winning a single player mode like you did in Melee, we really know nothing.
In fact, this could increase his chances because it's not his standard outfit, which implies that there has to be at least one more trophy showing him in the green tunic, which would be a little much for a character who has no role in the game at all...

We know nothing. Let's just carry on.

[Stryks]

Also in the video mario has his strikers outfit, thus WW links blue outfit actually helps his chances, of what we know so far...

[shellblade]

I recently saw the commercial, and I think it helps his chances rather than hurts them. Also, does anyone else think that hilarity ensures if WW link and TP link meet up in SSE :psycho:
I know they're two different people but seriously, think about

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

However much the blue shirt helps Cel Links chances......it means ZERO chance for the blue shirt to be an alternate costume....which is a saddening thought........sniffle......

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/SA-OWNAGE/6a00cd9705cc8e4cd500d41439b2193c7f-.jpg

Come! Be our Hero once again, in Smash!

[Matt Silver]

I'm all for WW Link. But will they name him WW Link? Or Young Link?

[Ike's Biggest Fan]

very nicely addressed, but little hole in it. your "Luigi and Mario Both Plumbers" logic to support ww link is a little bogus. other than the graphic difference, the two links are obviously both....link. this also goes to the dark samus people. yes, you can give him creatice moves, but its still not going to reflect well on nintendo. cant you see the reviews now? "nintendo got lazy and simply recycled different versions of the same character" DUN DUN DUN