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[Meta_Sonic64]

Then its still a stupid argument.

And if we are going to add WW Link lets add Luigi while we are at it! And Falco, and Jiggly and another sword wielder! O wait.

Seriously that argument holds no ground. They are less similar than Luigi and Mario FFS.

Yes, but are Luigi and Mario the same person?

[Mad555]

Also , Young Link is often considered to be the true Link. LOZ was originally about a young boy going off to save the world , not a young adult. Adult Link is only used these days because everyone goes crazy for Adult Link. Why's it so un-thinkable for the True Link to represent the various different games of TLOZ Adult Link can't?

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NO, NEVER, WW LINK IS NOT THE TRUE LINK!!! NEVER, NO WAY IN THIS WORLD.......i now apoligies for that

[Mega-Ridley-Knight-Man]

No. Neither is Young Link. Or to answer your question in more depth (And to stop you choosing who you want to reply to).

If Dr Mario could have as a distinct moveset from Mario , Like WW Link has the possibility of achieving, then I say there's no problem with bringing DR Mario back.

However, Dr Mario is the same person as Mario ( I believe) The very fact that WW Link is a completely different being from TP Link "technically" defeats the " same character" argument. The only similarity they'd share would be the appearance of their skin. Even that could be completely different. He wouldn't possess the Hylian Shield , and wouldn't need to possess the Master Sword.

Also , Young Link is often considered to be the true Link. LOZ was originally about a young boy going off to save the world , not a young adult. Adult Link is only used these days because everyone goes crazy for Adult Link. Why's it so un-thinkable for the True Link to represent the various different games of TLOZ Adult Link can't?

He doesn't even need to cover only WW. He could cover WW/PH/Minish cap/FS/FSA. All games in which Young Link appeared in hi respective Cel-shaded graphics.

@ Mad555
NO, NEVER, WW LINK IS NOT THE TRUE LINK!!! NEVER, NO WAY IN THIS WORLD

And who the hell are you?

1. Making words big doesn't make you look any smarter.
2. Play more games than "Twilight Princess"
3. It isn't in this world though its in the Zelda universe.

[Soluble Toast]

NO, NEVER, WW LINK IS NOT THE TRUE LINK!!! NEVER, NO WAY IN THIS WORLD


Ugh
You mis-understood the point.


YOUNG LINK is the true Link. WW Link is a form of Young Link. Thereby being one of the true Link's.

[Bassoonist]

Yes, but are Luigi and Mario the same person?

Hate to have to say it... but WW Link and TP Link are different people. Unfortunately.

[Meta_Sonic64]

No. Neither is Young Link. Or to answer your question in more depth (And to stop you choosing who you want to reply to).

Ok, so I guess by adding WW Link, we'll add Paper Mario?

[Soluble Toast]

Ok, so I guess by adding WW Link, we'll add Paper Mario?

He has the possibility of having an original moveset.
Why not?

Just because people have similar skins , they don't deserve to be in?
They'd be in no way a clone.

It's almost exactly the same as:
Dark Samus arguments
Wolf arguments
Paper Mario arguments.

All have the ability to be original characters , but their similar skins are what's going to stop them being characters?
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[Mad555]

No. Neither is Young Link. Or to answer your question in more depth (And to stop you choosing who you want to reply to).



@ Mad555


And who the hell are you?

1. Making words big doesn't make you look any smarter.
2. Play more games than "Twilight Princess"
3. It isn't in this world though its in the Zelda universe.

and who are you??? i have played more games than twilight princess like the first one,ww,oot, mm.i hope you get the abbreaviations, besides i never really thought that ww link would ever be called the true link

[Meta_Sonic64]

He has the possibility of having an original moveset.
Why not?

Just because people have similar skins , they don't deserve to be in?
They'd be in no way a clone.

It's almost exactly the same as:
Dark Samus arguments
Wolf arguments
Paper Mario arguments.

All have the ability to be original characters , but their similar skins are what's going to stop them being characters?
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I see, but Wolf and Dark Samus are not the same person as Fox and Samus. Now maybe WW Link is different from Young Link or Adult Link, but they are still Link none the less. I'd rather leave these spaces to characters like Olimar or series that don't have more than 1 rep(but can add a character to atleast make 2)

[Mega-Ridley-Knight-Man]

Well we would rather have WW Link.

And yes I understand your abbreviations. I have played all apart from Phantom hourglass and Minish cap.

But if we have WW Link then why not Paper Mario? Because we are not saying "WW Link not being another Link will get him in brawl"

[Bassoonist]

I think representation of newer (or older) franchises is far more important. Zelda has it's best representation with ONE Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.

[Meta_Sonic64]

I think representation of newer (or older) franchises is far more important. Zelda has it's best representation with ONE Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.

Agreed. QFT

[Soluble Toast]

I think representation of newer (or older) franchises is far more important. Zelda has it's best representation with ONE Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.
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TLOZ is Nintendo's 3rd best selling franchise. It's not impossible to think that they'll be getting at least 1 more rep.

[Meta_Sonic64]

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TLOZ is Nintendo's 3rd best selling franchise. It's not impossible to think that they'll be getting at least 1 more rep.

Sure it's the 3rd best selling, but their are newer franchises that are successful and have yet to have a rep in Smash, while their are older ones that have a good chance for a rep. No disrepect to the supporters, but all we need is Link, Zelda, and Ganon.

[Bassoonist]

and that rep has to be ANOTHER Link?:ohwell:

[Meta_Sonic64]

and that rep has to be ANOTHER Link?:ohwell:

Really, does it? Can't they just get a stage rep or AT instead?

[Soluble Toast]

It doesn't have to be Young Link.
I'd be happy with most other Zelda reps being suggested. I was simply adding that WW Link would not be a completely ridiculous addition.

[Mega-Ridley-Knight-Man]

TLOZ = Possibly greatest franchise ever = more than 3 reps. Y / WW Link = Best way to represent the rest of the franchise =/= another Link.

[Bassoonist]

TLOZ = Possibly greatest franchise ever

That's called an opinion, I'll have you know. Opinions are not facts.

= more than 3 reps. Y / WW Link = Best way to represent the rest of the franchise =/= another Link.

Are you saying that Y / WW Link is not just another Link? Sorry, but that's a lie. Even if you don't think that's a reason to keep him out, it doesn't mean that he isn't another Link.

[Meta_Sonic64]

TLOZ = Possibly greatest franchise ever = more than 3 reps. Y / WW Link = Best way to represent the rest of the franchise =/= another Link.

No that doesn't equal more than 3 reps. You just want it to. Y/WW Link may be different, but they are in fact another Link. Give the rep spot to other franchises that have yet to be repped

[Mega-Ridley-Knight-Man]

That's called an opinion, I'll have you know. Opinions are not facts.

I never said it was. Thus why I said POSSIBLY. But I am sure the fact that OOT is generally considered to be the greatest game of all time doesn't matter to you.

Are you saying that Y / WW Link is not just another Link? Sorry, but that's a lie. Even if you don't think that's a reason to keep him out, it doesn't mean that he isn't another Link.

He isn't the exact same Link, he has less similarities than Mario and Luigi! And he deserves the place much more than TP Link and has earned it himself in his own right.

No that doesn't equal more than 3 reps. You just want it to. Y/WW Link may be different, but they are in fact another Link. Give the rep spot to other franchises that have yet to be repped

So Ridley shouldn't get in because his sport should go to another character? And I am saying that it SHOULD.

And not many franchises haven't been repped... unless they are retro ones that have like one game and no one cares about (Match Rider).

[Stryks]

I havent been to this thread so here I go:

WIN

WW link can bring some much to the table, fun, unique and interesting moveset, not only that he IS on the poll, thus has a shot, at 1st I hated WW and WW link, simply because of the cartoonish look, but AFTER playing WW I got hooked and is my 2nd fav. zelda so far, beating twilight princess (barely tough) in my book...

Fawriel sign me up for the support list and/or the club (if he has any), I want this guy in brawl...

[Fawriel]

Goddammit, Meta_Sonic! What is wrong with you? You're like some kind of gypsy who wanders from thread to thread and starts causing pages upon pages of completely inane fighting!

Now look.

The reason why I replied like that to your post is that it was just completely unnecessary. You said those things as if we didn't already know.
The argument has been brought up several times and laid out better than you did it, and all the supporters know of the argument, read the good posts, considered them, and still support the character. So you really contributed nothing except an attempt at condescending humor.


There are several categories by which a character can be similar to another in Smash.

1. Moveset. No, he has the potential to have a very unique moveset with a completely different style than any other.
2. Identity. He's a different person. Name's the same. Though in the case of the Links, their name is really just a placeholder because you're always expected to enter your own name. But that's irrelevant anyway.
3. Looks. Green clothes, sword, blond. I see more similarities in some other characters.

Now what the question boils down to whether you want to support the kid or not, is whether you like him or not. That's all there is to it. There might be "more original" characters like god knows who you guys want, and he might be "another" Link despite being completely different, but if you like him, all those points become relevant, and if you don't like him, they seem like the most important **** thing in the world.
And whether he will be in the game also depends on nothing more than whether Sakurai likes him enough to ignore those factors or not.

That is why I replied like that.
You can hate him, you can ignore him, think whatever the hell you want.
But don't go around treating people like they are idiots because they have a ****ing differing taste, because that just makes you one.


EDIT: A club, huh? Everyone seems to be doing it. So, uh. Why not, I guess?
I'm not gonna take care of some sort of private club forum, though. o_o;

[Meta_Sonic64]

So Ridley shouldn't get in because his sport should go to another character? And I am saying that it SHOULD.

And not many franchises haven't been repped... unless they are retro ones that have like one game and no one cares about (Match Rider).

Samus only has like what? 1 REP!!!(excluding Zamus) As I pointed out earlier, a series that needs yet another rep, but you want to give the spot to ANOTHER Link. Not many haven't been repped, but Olimar still needs to be in it(not retro). Also the spot could go to K. Rool.

[Stryks]

SHOTGUN ON FOUNDER I tough of it XD

My 1st n00b flame on this thread!
Samus only has like what? 1 REP!!!(excluding Zamus) As I pointed out earlier, a series that needs yet another rep, but you want to give the spot to ANOTHER Link. Not many haven't been repped, but Olimar still needs to be in it(not retro). Also the spot could go to K. Rool.

How do you KNOW metroid has only one rep? ur saying like thats the definite number in the metroid rep department, metroid will get about 3 reps, zelda will probably get more rep than it did in melee, seeing how the roster is getting bigger, WW link is a good candidate with ganondorf, midna, zant and vaati in the unconfirmed department...

[vesperview]

I love how the only argument people have against him is "He's another Link :psycho:"

I also hated the idea a couple of months ago, but after playing Phantom I guess I changed my mind, he would be not only original but a righteous make over from the awful Melee Young Link.

[Meta_Sonic64]

SHOTGUN ON FOUNDER I tough of it XD

My 1st n00b flame on this thread!


How do you KNOW metroid has only one rep? ur saying like thats the definite number in the metroid rep department, metroid will get about 3 reps, zelda will probably get more rep than it did in melee, seeing how the roster is getting bigger, WW link is a good candidate with ganondorf, midna, zant and vaati in the unconfirmed department...

Up to now Metroid only has 1 rep, most likely more are to come, but it shows my point that it is a series that needs more reps. We don't exactly know how much bigger the roster will be to add another Zelda rep. If anything they could get a stage, an item, AT, but they don't need another character especially another Link.

[vesperview]

Up to now Metroid only has 1 rep, most likely more are to come, but it shows my point that it is a series that needs more reps. We don't exactly know how much bigger the roster will be to add another Zelda rep. If anything they could get a stage, an item, AT, but they don't need another character especially another Link.

Metroid can't get past 3 reps (Samus, Ridley and Dark Samus), what's the problem? Disc Memory arguments? Believe me, anyone can do better

[Meta_Sonic64]

Metroid can't get past 3 reps (Samus, Ridley and Dark Samus), what's the problem? Disc Memory arguments? Believe me, anyone can do better

Coming from a person who changes his mind on every character, your responses don't bother me. The fact is that Metroid does need more reps nonetheless and you guys are willing to give spots to another Link. It could go to someone else who deserves it like Olimar or K. Rool. If you want a WW or Y representation then think for a stage, item, or AT. I still think he'll end up a sticker :ohwell:

[vesperview]

Coming from a person who changes his mind on every character, your responses don't bother me.

Irrelevant

The fact is that Metroid does need more reps nonetheless and you guys are willing to give spots to another Link. It could go to someone else who deserves it like Olimar or K. Rool. If you want a WW or Y representation then think for a stage, item, or AT. I still think he'll end up a sticker :ohwell:

If Olimar and K. Rool are supposed to be in the game, having Cell Shaded Link won't stop them from being there, you don't even know how many characters are gonna be in the game, you truly have no argument in this thread.

[Meta_Sonic64]

Irrelevant



If Olimar and K. Rool are supposed to be in the game, having Cell Shaded Link won't stop them from being there, you don't even know how many characters are gonna be in the game, you truly have no argument in this thread.

Irrelevant or not it's true. You don't know how many characters are in the game either. For all you know the spots could be a low number with only a few open. I'm sure Sakurai won't think to put another Link in one of those spots. All that is needed is Link, Zelda and Ganon, if anything else an AT.

[vesperview]

Irrelevant or not it's true. You don't know how many characters are in the game either. For all you know the spots could be a low number with only a few open. I'm sure Sakurai won't think to put another Link in one of those spots. All that is needed is Link, Zelda and Ganon, if anything else an AT.

You'll probably feel that way with any character you don't like... if the roster number was topping 40+ there wouldn't be any trouble.

[Meta_Sonic64]

You'll probably feel that way with any character you don't like... if the roster number was topping 40+ there wouldn't be any trouble.

No, not really. I didn't like the IC and they made it, but I expected them to return. I also forgot to mention that FE may be getting more reps, and sure if the roster was over 40(we have no clue) there'd be no problem with adding him, but I don't see why he is needed. We have to think of all the series out there with a chance of getting a rep and then analyze the possible roster number. Once we have all the necessary reps for other series and etc., and there's room for more, then add WW Link. Atleast then I'll know that Sakurai kept the other series in mind.

[vesperview]

No, not really. I didn't like the IC and they made it, but I expected them to return. I also forgot to mention that FE may be getting more reps, and sure if the roster was over 40(we have no clue) there'd be no problem with adding him, but I don't see why he is needed. We have to think of all the series out there with a chance of getting a rep and then analyze the possible roster number. Once we have all the necessary reps for other series and etc., and there's room for more, then add WW Link. Atleast then I'll know that Sakurai kept the other series in mind.

Let's put it this way, Adult Link represents Twilight Princess and Cell Shaded Young Link represents Phantom Hourglass, both games are highly successful and both of them deserve representation, not to mention Young Link could have all of those items from those games and be a completely new and interesting character, how can you be against that? and don't say because he is another Link.

[Fawriel]

Here's an idea.
You seem to think that it's a better idea to give at least one playable representative to a whole lot of different franchises, keeping the number of reps for larger franchises down to the absolutely necessary, as opposed to expanding all the current franchises and allowing a few newcomers in. Only the three Triforce users for Zelda, the two main Kongs and their villain, et cetera, as opposed to, say, 7 Zelda characters and 3 singular characters from minor franchises added. Is that right?

That's actually a really important issue that concerns the whole forum and I don't think I've seen it discussed explicitly. So how about you post a thread about it so you can bash aaaaaaaaaall the characters you deem unnecessary at the same time, while doing something constructive. That sounds good, doesn't it?

[Meta_Sonic64]

Let's put it this way, Adult Link represents Twilight Princess and Cell Shaded Young Link represents Phantom Hourglass, both games are highly successful and both of them deserve representation, not to mention Young Link could have all of those items from those games and be a completely new and interesting character, how can you be against that? and don't say because he is another Link.
Sure they are successful(so is Animal Crossing, but you don't see them getting a PC do you?) and a stage, item, or AT is still a type of representation. Another character(mainly another form of another character) is not necessarily need and could possibly be taking a space that could go to someone else. I don't see what's wrong with a stage as a rep or even an AT.

[Shadowball Enthusiast]

First can i just say well designed intro to the tread dude top notch.

You have currently been playing as Pikachu you last mission was to fight metaknight

Cutscene: a weak Pikachu stands over the defeated metaknight, he hears laughing behind him. The minister is standing there, holding a pokeball, He throws it and Pikachu is captured. We then see an fox's airwing from out of the window of the ship, the ship moves violently, the minister is thrown of balance, and the pokeball is lost out of a window created by Pikachu's entrance, we follow the pokeball as it falls into the familiar cell shaded sea, We then are shown that we have be watching the decent of the pokeball from WW link Telescope form a near by island, he now stand on the shore wanting to investigate.

Link is now in his trusty red boat, sailing towards the ripples made but the pokeball, He extends the claw down, and grab onto it.

Back on shore WW link is holding the pokeball, it starts shaking, and Pikachu burst out looking distraught, and lunges at WW link.

You then choose who to fight as,

after the battle, the bust back from each other as though the battle is only half way though, they are about to lunge at each other again when they see that the Metaship is back, an the purple haze is already falling form it

Pikachu and WW link team up time

[Meta_Sonic64]

Guys, I've been thinking and I'm sure it may have been mentioned before, but what if you could hit a button while your hand is pointing on Link and the icon changes to Young Link or WW Link. They could do the same for Mario and Paper Mario and possibly other characters too. It's just a thought, but it could work out and that way, instead of taken up 2 spaces, it'll be a 2 in 1 type of thing.

[Bassoonist]

Alternate costumes aren't happening, though. :ohwell:

[Meta_Sonic64]

Alternate costumes aren't happening, though. :ohwell:
They won't be alts, but PCs. Please read and try to analyze my last post to where you can picture it in your mind.