"Super Armor" Who's got it?

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

Has anyone tested the various characters for super armor yet? I'm very curious as to who has it and on what moves.

[Vegeta214]

I will keep the following list updated and will add descriptions of each moves SAF:

All characters w/ normal (non tether) grabs:

both standing and running grabs have brief SA at the beginning.

ZSS

down-b (middle portion = invincibility frames)


Ike

up-b
neutral b (after release)


Snake

up-b


Olimar

down-b (~first third of the move)


King Dedede

up-b (at startup)


Zelda

neutral-b


Lucas

up-smash (unconfirmed)


Donkey Kong

up-b (on startup)
neutral b (~15 frames from start of punch)


Charizard

up-b (while moving)


Squirtle

f-smash (near the end)


Yoshi

second jump


Wario

f-smash
down-b (fart) (just after start)

Bowser

f-smash, initial hitbox

[comboking]

Ike during his up +b hold+B

actually I don't think his over b has super armor frames!

[Vegeta214]

All right I'll edit that. I'll look into the different characters and make a full list.

[Pye]

Bowser's got it on his dsmash and I think his upB, but I could be wrong about that second one.

[Serpit]

Charizard's Up B and amazingly, Squirtle's F-Smash.

[Kit Cal-N]

Bowser on the beginning hitbox of his F-Smash.

Aren't the middle frames of ZSS's down-B just invincibility?

[Vegeta214]

If I'm not mistaken:

super armour = doesn't flinch, takes damage
invincibility frames = doesn't flinch, doesn't take damage

so why "just invincibility"?

Edit: changed to invincibility for ZSS

[Kit Cal-N]

If I'm not mistaken:

super armour = doesn't flinch, takes damage
invincibility frames = doesn't flinch, doesn't take damage

so why "just invincibility"?

Edit: changed to invincibility for ZSS

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. I didn't think it was worth editing.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Normal grabs have super armor. I think it hasn't actually been tested for everyone, but it's assumed to work for all characters but the ones with tethers.

[Vegeta214]

Normal grabs have super armor.

Yeah you're right. I didn't even think of that since its not character related. Added.

[pesticide]

yea ive been curious what super armor is. thanks for clearing it up somewhat everyone!

[iron blade]

yea ive been curious what super armor is. thanks for clearing it up somewhat everyone!

Certain moves have frames where if you get hit you receive damage but no knockback.

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

Hmm...strange that squirtle would have it. I thought it was only for the heavy weights that would get it. Interesting.

[comboking]

yah that is strange!

[Lord Yawgmoth]

If I'm not mistaken:

super armour = doesn't flinch, takes damage
invincibility frames = doesn't flinch, doesn't take damage

Zelda

neutral-b



Fairly sure that Zelda's Nuetral B is just invincibility frames.

[Dark Sonic]

I believe that Sonic's up B has super armor up until the peak of the move (when he can attack). However, I don't know if my source is too reliable, so could someone maybe test this for me.

Also, I think more testing needs to be done on grabs. Do you still get SA if your grab misses. Like if someone hits you from behind. If you don't, then might this simply be a new grab feature rather than superarmor? Maybe grabs just trade hits with attacks rather than outprioritizing them like they did in melee.

[Lord Yawgmoth]

Also, I think more testing needs to be done on grabs. Do you still get SA if your grab misses. Like if someone hits you from behind.

In the other thread talking about this: Do Throws have Super Armor? (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=149385)

The sage says that he hit someone with a PK thunder while they were doing their grab animation, and they had no knockback.

[Shrunk!!!]

Fairly sure that Zelda's Nuetral B is just invincibility frames.

Can't you grab her out of her nuetral B?