tl is the best characer in brawl

[bobert4936]

who doenst think tl is the best character in brawl? and tell me why

[MASAHIROx]

no. you're just wrong.

he was GOOD for the first two months of game play....kind of like when everyone thought link was good in melee.

others have emerged to be better

MK, MARTH to name 2.

Falco and snake are quickly rising along with D3 and zelda

[UnderWing]

From what I've seen, TL can keep up with most characters. I don't think he's God-tier/"best"/whatever, but I think in the right hands he can be deadly. He's popular enough to have strategies for him developing constantly, so I don't think that someone who wants to play TL will be at a net disadvantage.

[Jing)]

no. you're just wrong.

he was GOOD for the first two months of game play....kind of like when everyone thought link was good in melee.

others have emerged to be better

MK, MARTH to name 2.

Falco and snake are quickly rising along with D3 and zelda


TL isnt not good, hes maybe not the best though.. hes in the top 10 for sure.

[DJBrowny]

lol, dedede is going nowhere but down.

i agree falco, snake and marth are right up there, but id put TL in the top #3 easy.

hes just like a smaller, faster, higher jumping, bomb + boomerang wielding marth minus the tipper effect.

[Neodaft_boy]

tl just seemed easy at the time because not everyone has fully mastered the game. Toon Link will always be one of my favorite characters though (current main) and he still IS a top notch character with great projectiles, speed and kill moves.

And the other supposite "better" characters mentioned have reasons to hold their spots. Snake is a beast in the right hands... X___X I can never get by a pro Snake. D:

[mlgc4]

no snake and meta knight are best in brawl/olimar

toon link mid teir fo sho snake1,metaknight2,olimar3

[nukethemall73]

olimar THIRD!? maybe i just have yet to play a decent olimar, but i find i destroy them quite, quite badly...

[Darkurai]

http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs25/f/2008/111/b/0/How_It_Could__ve_Been_by_LuigiIII.png

The best hands down.

[Zero%]

i agree that toon link is the best charather in the game but still ike is my main XD

[Looper]

when i started playing toon link, i was winning every game against my friends after a good amount of practice

i honestly wish he wasn't so good, i'd feel better about using him. i love him as a character, but hate that's he too powerful, so i'm staying away from him

[-Aether]

I think T. Link will be high tier, somewhere around where C. Falcon was in the last game.

Right now, I think top tier will be Pit/Metaknight. Metaknight is the character I feel has the most potential.

Honorable mentions for high/top tier:

G/W.
Zelda.
DeDeDe.
Falco.
T. Link.
Snake.
Olimar.
ZSS.

Of course, I have no proof. But, the general trend of SWF seems to be Pit and Metaknight. Metaknight especially.

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Aether.......ZSS....really?????

And yeah....Toon Link is not the best character in the game. For all the aforementioned reasons.

[Illussionary]

Sorry but the best character is Snake.

Here's why:

1. Huge broken hitbox on attacks.
2. Easy edgeguarding.
3. Can infinite grab on edges.
4. can infinitely use recovery.
5. He's heavy but not slow.
6. Has great priority.
7. Nearly all his moves can KO and are not easily punishable.
8. Has awsome projectiles.

I could go on but I think thats enough said...

[Zeonom]

I didnt play the game yet but i think toon is a very good character. i hate snake he´s unnormal :D

[Tristan, Fattest of All Kids]

TOON LINK IS THE BEST IN BRAWL! I could beat everyone with him.

[Chip.]

I actually don't believe toon Link is the best. Snake's the best. Although I do believe toon Link is still top tier and may be number 2 (hard to say either him or Metaknight). Good thing toon Link rapes Snake though ^_^.

[Tristan, Fattest of All Kids]

Sorry but the best character is Snake.

Here's why:

1. Huge broken hitbox on attacks.
2. Easy edgeguarding.
3. Can infinite grab on edges.
4. can infinitely use recovery.
5. He's heavy but not slow.
6. Has great priority.
7. Nearly all his moves can KO and are not easily punishable.
8. Has awsome projectiles.

I could go on but I think thats enough said...

1. wtf is a hitbox. I hope it isn't some n00b term you and your mom came up with.
2. um, no. If your talking about those implanted bombs, then you can just jump away.
3/4. lololololololol! ANYONE CAN! except Pit
5. 1/2 the characters in the game.
6. "Great," ugh. I don't like you using such arbitrary terms.
7. Really, you can say this for any character.
8. Projectiles don't win games, but if they did TL would win.

Snake is good, but not because of this.
In my opinion, Toon Link is the best, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, TL is much better than Snake at the least.

[-Aether]

1. wtf is a hitbox. I hope it isn't some n00b term you and your mom came up with.
2. um, no. If your talking about those implanted bombs, then you can just jump away.
3/4. lololololololol! ANYONE CAN! except Pit
5. 1/2 the characters in the game.
6. "Great," ugh. I don't like you using such arbitrary terms.
7. Really, you can say this for any character.
8. Projectiles don't win games, but if they did TL would win.

Snake is good, but not because of this.
In my opinion, Toon Link is the best, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, TL is much better than Snake at the least.

First of all, a "hitbox" isn't some random n00b term. A hitbox is the invisible, and often awkwardly shaped area that represents the area where an attack will damage an enemy. Hitboxes that are disjointed (IE, Swords) can do damage, but not take damage.

Hitboxes determine the priority of attacks. Say, Ganondorf's F-tilt has a hitbox that extends past his leg. Obviously, if he just barely misses you with the animation of his foot, the hitbox still extends and does damage to the enemy. Moves with high priority create a larger invisible bubble around you.

So, Snake does have large hitboxes. Very few of them are disjointed, though - so he still would lose the priority game to T. Link, assuming everyone is property spaced.

Second of all, a good portion of what you wrote is subjective. In Japan, as of now, Snake is consistantly placing higher in tournaments (in comparison to T. Link.) Snake is a really good character - I underestimated him just as much as you did at one point, but results speak for themselves. Don't act like Snake's projectile / explosives game isn't bomb as hell (no pun intended.) He can control the stage just as well as T. Link can.

That is all.

[Raiko]

1. wtf is a hitbox. I hope it isn't some n00b term you and your mom came up with.
2. um, no. If your talking about those implanted bombs, then you can just jump away.
3/4. lololololololol! ANYONE CAN! except Pit
5. 1/2 the characters in the game.
6. "Great," ugh. I don't like you using such arbitrary terms.
7. Really, you can say this for any character.
8. Projectiles don't win games, but if they did TL would win.

Snake is good, but not because of this.
In my opinion, Toon Link is the best, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, TL is much better than Snake at the least.


That was the worst post I read in SmashBoards since I joined.
You don't know anything about Snake, do you?

All characters have infinite recovery, except Pit? :laugh:
Do you actually know what does infinite recovery mean?

Infinite means Snake can use his Down B to hit himself after using UP B, going up and being able to use UP B again (and Down B again if he wants, etc, INFINITE)

But I agree that isn't the best reason to say Snake is the top character (he is), 99% of the times people use the D- B it's because they spoiled Snake recovery under the edge of FD.

I would answer the other "points" (since all of them are wrong), but really, just try to know a character before talking about it.

[OBanner]

Top tier right now would prob be Marth, TL, MK, Falco, and Wolf. They'll prob be more techniques for MK, since if you use the Up-B right you can get tons of recovery. Olimar is awesome but I can destroy them by simpy edge hogging. Falco is only up there because of all his chain attacks, and his dair is still as cheap as ever.

[mr_kennedy44]

1. wtf is a hitbox. I hope it isn't some n00b term you and your mom came up with.
2. um, no. If your talking about those implanted bombs, then you can just jump away.
3/4. lololololololol! ANYONE CAN! except Pit
5. 1/2 the characters in the game.
6. "Great," ugh. I don't like you using such arbitrary terms.
7. Really, you can say this for any character.
8. Projectiles don't win games, but if they did TL would win.

Snake is good, but not because of this.
In my opinion, Toon Link is the best, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, TL is much better than Snake at the least.

This post is terrible. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Snake is much better than Toon Link. I know saying this on the Toon Link boards will probably get me flamed but I don't care. Toon Link's air game is better than Snake's I'll give TL that, but Snake's projectile games, mind-gamez and ground games exceed Toon Link's by a wide margin.

Toon Link is by no means bad. He certainly is good but Snake is better.

[Roxaslawliet]

I think it's too early in the game to say who is the best and who isn't. Toon Link is certainly good, but same could be said about any character.

MK has his chase kills
Marth is Marth....nuff said
Snake is excellent, sliding upsmashes are so good ^_^
Toon Link, I love him, he is what I wanted out of a character
Zero Suit is obnoxious and powerful
Zelda is brutal with her easier to do fairs
Falco's dgrab is chainable and his dair is still excellent
Fox is still excellent
Ike is a beast
Lucas I think will be the next fox. he's really good, a lot of potential.
DDD, really good for a heavy excellent combos and hard to approach
Wolf, another character I love, wolf is really good.

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Where is all this Zero Suit love coming from???? Have I missed her jumping up the theoretical tier list???

[-Aether]

I don't understand why people are saying "Snake is the best character in the game, etc." While it's true Tristan's post was basically a bunch of random and false accusations, it doesn't mean that the other guy was 100 percent right either.

Snake is good, but most professional players in the states (ChuDat, Azen, Chillin..yeah, they go to my local tournaments) don't really think that. His ground game is really good, but I don't think his projectile game is better than T. Links. It's probably about equal if you consider correct use of explosives "projectiles."

As for ZSS, she'd be easily one of the best characters in the game if her shorthop was lower. She's still pretty **** good. Her D-smash can be chained against many characters for an easy to do, free 90 damage combo. Her disjointed hisboxes are crazy. She's not slow at all, nor is she ridiculously light. Solid recovery with her down-B, and the best tether in the game.

[Roxaslawliet]

Yes I agree Aether ZSS is Good.

and I also think Snake is overrated. My roommate mains him and I beat him 9/10 times with my toon.

[MASAHIROx]

dude that doesn't mean anything...

[-Aether]

True - don't use single wins against random people as arguments for a characters strengths / weaknesses.

On a side note, Masahirox, my brother goes to V.T. His names Ben Petit, and he's a sophomore engineering major. Do you by chance know him..? He plays smash casually but is pretty good for someone who doesn't go to SWF.