Ughh... Luigi

[CJ Love]

Based on the mock-up tiers that people have been wasting their times with... I think one can assume that Luigi is at least a little underrated. The vast majority of his moves have fantastic priority, he has speed, power, great recovery, an effective projectile, and has really good combo capabilities.

Now, I can safely two stock a lv.9 CPU, if not remain un-KOed, but I can imagine that a human Luigi is a devastating opponent in the hands of someone who can use his potential to combo more consistently and can dodge dairs better than a computer. His fireballs can get really annoying, and his priority means that TL has a harder time pulling off combos.

How do you fight a really good Luigi?

[BbqCombo]

Thats a tough one...well, for starters, im pretty sure he can A to UpB so maintain good spacing.Use the boomerang a lot and bombs. arrows dont seem to put much pressure on a luigi cuz he can fireball them away. Oh, and always be ready for a super green missile attack, y'know, the thing where his ForwardB explodes and rockets him an insane distance. Just always be ready for it cuz it kills. Try a lot of mindgames because he's one of the few chars that has a decent WOP with his Bair :/

Thats all i know, hope it helps.

[NoWai]

Get into a bair battle with him xD

also you MIGHT be able to dair his downB if you get him below the stage far enough (though he could have more priority with it I know it's a high priority move).

[CJ Love]

Yeah, that's kind of what I was talking about. The computer really doesn't WoP, they just smash senselessly at the side of the stage. I have to agree with the no arrows thing. Boomerangs and bombs are much more effective against him.

...I can imagine that trying to spike against his upB could result in some consequences :ohwell:

[Recognize]

The best way to learn about Luigi is watch some of grinches Videos, he's one of the best Luigis I've seen. They probably have some TL against him too. vids

[deletedmember]

I want to agree 100% that Luigi is seriously underrated. He's amazingly good.

[LuigiTheKing]

Don't use dair against a Luigi.

As a Luigi player, I love playing Toon Links because most Toon Links use Dair as a pretty high priority move, and it can be punished terrible if missed and you'll be KO'd at like 50% if the Luigi is smart and does up B.

I played a Toon in a tourney today and 2 stocked him in both matches. I think Luigi matches up well with Toon.

[Umby]

Projectiles. Just because fireballs stop arrow spam from the ground doesn't mean you don't have SHDA, bombs, and a boomerang. So for one thing your projectiles have a bit more control over the match, of course.

The real battle is going to be fought in the air. Luigi's attacks have the speed and priority to take you on, however your advantage is your disjointed hitbox. So assuming you can space your attacks to keep him at the edge of your sword, you can match up pretty well with Luigi.

I don't see why so many Toon Links Dair so much as if it were like an effective smash attack. The fact that it happens annoys me. Luigi's up+B hurts too much to risk lag from missing, as stated before.

Watch out for the Cyclone/Tornado thingy. Cuts through alot of attacks.

Misfire isn't as cool as it was in Melee.

Respect the nair.

Watch out for the utilts/usmashes/uairs. Aka, DI correctly. You don't want to get chained with those.

[edde]

a really good luigi can be asily beaten by either a really good TL or a smarter TL

YOU HAVE # F'IN PROJECTILES USABLN SO MANY SITUATIONS, HOW CAN A LUIGI CAMP A TL? besides you have TL's shield
ugh... youre contradictory... dairs are not easy to dodge, theyre too **** easy to predict, try to never dair, it just does about 15% damage 1 hit, if it misses you have so much lag that even snake can fsmash you (tested by me) and well, if you like dairing in the air, i guess the game will teach you the lesson ebtter than i could ever do
luigi has a force to be reckoned with, his smashes are way too **** devastating and his sex kick pwns,, if you dont youll be forced to...
youll be forced to fight him facing backwards... why? your bair is your best move, exploit it, if you want to finish combos, think of anything else than dair... nair, uair and even fair work pretty good... hyphen smash is a great tool you have, downsmash him at below 20% and youll knock him far away from stage due to some glitch, heres your chance to set an early gimp and have part of the match guaranteed

ugh... pretty much read the thread i wrote somewhere around the TL forums (EddE's TL tips)... you might find something youre looking for there

[CJ Love]

I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that the CPU is stupid in that it doesn't dodge dairs (but ironically has superhuman timing in other defensive areas). When I play a human, I certainly don't 100% neglect TL's dair, but I definitely use it rarely; very rarely. In other words, against a human Luigi user I would rarely dair, but against the CPU I can do it all I want. It was just a little useless information I added in there to denounce the lv.9 CPU.

BUT, I don't dair at all when I'm fighting the computer just so I can get a more real experience, even if I know it will always hit.

2nd, I actually spend most of my time in fights backwards, since I do bair a lot (nairs also hit twice if your not facing the opponent). I do hyphen smash as well, but it can become predictable, so I do use it sparingly, but smartly.

[someguy12]

hold on, luigi is my other main after TL, i can help.

look, luigi has some tricks, if anything, just go to the luigi sub-fourm, read that, and figure out ways to avoid it. I worked hard, and i can be on stage with a landmaster and not die. when the other guy is trying to beat me.

look, i would use the kizzu combo, that should get some good damage, also, that last sentence in your post (the one above this one) where it said "it gets kinda predictable."kinda worries me.

NO!!!! NO!!! stop right there my friend! look, you never want it to be predictable, if you do, then you adjust to how they play, so when you play a good luigi player, you're used to the CPU's play style, and you have to adjust to playing something else!

and i like what you're doing Shiro, but, you don't ever want it to get predictable, trust me, you're not getting better overall, just against a lvl 9 luigis.

so, get on wifi, get on smash brawl rankings, or where ever, and play against real players, and don't ever get used to one or a few play styles.

now for the tech aspect. SHDA will work, but use sparingly. bombs, yes. boomarag, YES!!! bow, yes. also, try when up close, like, REALLY up close, try using your up-b on the ground, it has some knockback, and it does some damage.

that's really it, you gotta figure it out on your own, take all of the advice given, by me and everyone else, and figure out which things work and add them, and good luck.

[shadowdsfire]

I think luigi is really good.. Just one thing i hate from him its he look like he are all time on ice...In melee that was good because of wavedash but now..

[CJ Love]

also, that last sentence in your post (the one above this one) where it said "it gets kinda predictable."kinda worries me.

NO!!!! NO!!! stop right there my friend! look, you never want it to be predictable, if you do, then you adjust to how they play, so when you play a good luigi player, you're used to the CPU's play style, and you have to adjust to playing something else!

and i like what you're doing Shiro, but, you don't ever want it to get predictable, trust me, you're not getting better overall, just against a lvl 9 luigis.

What's with people misreading my posts...? I was saying that hyphen smashing is a useful technique, but it can get predictable, so I don't spam it.

[someguy12]

i understand your post, but still, don't ONLY practice with the cpu.

also, if you had a video up, it would be much easier to give accurate advice, verses just based off of a discription of your play style.


EDIT: like a vid of you vs. a lvl 9 luigi, or a vid when you face one on wifi.