Lucario!!!!!!!!!!

[Santi]

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:mad:
:mad:

I HATE the spamming rolling dodging stupid blue Poke'mon

:mad:
Ugh
I love how he can just keep living and get stronger and stronger and just spam some more.

AS
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*roll
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*roll


*4 minutes and 150% later

AS
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*roll


How do you fight this guy?!??!?
I spam and spam back and try to spam smart without getting punished, but no matter what I do he can avoid it and just keep playing gay.

Anyone have advice/tips or little tricks you use to catch the little ****** while hes rolling around.


Go.

[zaf]

Maybe toon link isn't the char for you. This is another post by you asking how to beat chars with toon link or complaining about chars. I don't think you know how to play toon link seeing as you love bair. How can you spam and not have it work, you can trap him with a stun from the bombs and kill him then. No real lucario player will just AS. They will catch you with a fsmash when you move in or fair to dair.

So this is what you should be doing, spam and out spam him so he is forced to come to you. Use shda, pull out bombs all the time and use boomerangs when he gets closer. When you see an opening and know it will work use an usmash, or a grab and get him in the air, juggle him and try and finish with a uair. Uair has insane priority.

Its really not that hard, just try more.

[Santi]

Maybe toon link isn't the char for you. This is another post by you asking how to beat chars with toon link or complaining about chars. I don't think you know how to play toon link seeing as you love bair. How can you spam and not have it work, you can trap him with a stun from the bombs and kill him then. No real lucario player will just AS. They will catch you with a fsmash when you move in or fair to dair.

So this is what you should be doing, spam and out spam him so he is forced to come to you. Use shda, pull out bombs all the time and use boomerangs when he gets closer. When you see an opening and know it will work use an usmash, or a grab and get him in the air, juggle him and try and finish with a uair. Uair has insane priority.

Its really not that hard, just try more.

:ohwell:
..... Your absolutely right
Toon Link is probably not for me....
I dont't know how to play Toon Link....
I just love bair....
Its easy and I'm just not trying....


Ill just counterpick MK:laugh:

[zaf]

:ohwell:
..... Your absolutely right
Toon Link is probably not for me....
I dont't know how to play Toon Link....
I just love bair....
Its easy and I'm just not trying....


Ill just counterpick MK:laugh:

best choice you could of made

[Rollerking540]

best choice you could of made

Definately.

On the other hand, Milk was a bad choice...

[NESSBOUNDER]

Metaknight isn't actually a good matchup against Lucario though...

[Santi]

I was joking.
Gotta go toon all the way.
I guess I just have to keep losing until I learn.

[edde]

TL is great against luke in my opinion

i fight 3 lukes, 1 is pretty nooby, other one is a genious at recovering (he can even lap FD) and other one fights great overall (this one is huge trouble lol)

their weakness: your camping... if he camps back, you can jump, direct boomerang, use bombs, quickdraw outcamps him, put a bomb in between you guys (dropped on floor) so it stops all of his projectiles, or if you need a bit of breath stand still, shield stops even the biggest aura balls

now on fighting him... TL can outcamp luke, make him approach to you, space well, DONT spot dodge, his fsmash has the exact timing of a spot dodge, so, if you spot dodge his fsmash will prolly hit... id suggest you to use any throw except the good ones (up and down) since he can dair instantly and punish you worse... dont fight him from below, his dair is just amazing... use your nair, bair and fair well spaced, outspeed him with yout tilts, specially utilt... if you get hm with a bair, you can try doing 2 or 3 more.... zair is great for spacing... always have a bomb in hand and use boomerang/bombs even when youre not camping... if he avoids an aerial of yours backwards do an arrow cancel (if the timing is still possible)

that was the hard part... punish his recovery, NOT WITH DAIR... while he is moving in his up+b nothing can touch him (as for my experience, my dairs havent hit him even when its visually proven that the dair would have hit)... but, the recovery is easily hogged, if hes a good lucario hell go for a stage clin gin most of the cases, so, your mind game is... stay on the edge, if he can aim for the stage, hell go there, but if his last resource is to cling, mindgame him staying on the edge, he has to cling, so... as soon as his up+banimation starts drop off the edge and time well a fair where he will cling for a stage spike kill

outcamp lucario is your main key for winning, also, dont approach, lucario spaces really well, so, make him rather approach, if he does by dairing, you have boomrang

ugh hope this helps

[Santi]

TL is great against luke in my opinion

i fight 3 lukes, 1 is pretty nooby, other one is a genious at recovering (he can even lap FD) and other one fights great overall (this one is huge trouble lol)

their weakness: your camping... if he camps back, you can jump, direct boomerang, use bombs, quickdraw outcamps him, put a bomb in between you guys (dropped on floor) so it stops all of his projectiles, or if you need a bit of breath stand still, shield stops even the biggest aura balls

now on fighting him... TL can outcamp luke, make him approach to you, space well, DONT spot dodge, his fsmash has the exact timing of a spot dodge, so, if you spot dodge his fsmash will prolly hit... id suggest you to use any throw except the good ones (up and down) since he can dair instantly and punish you worse... dont fight him from below, his dair is just amazing... use your nair, bair and fair well spaced, outspeed him with yout tilts, specially utilt... if you get hm with a bair, you can try doing 2 or 3 more.... zair is great for spacing... always have a bomb in hand and use boomerang/bombs even when youre not camping... if he avoids an aerial of yours backwards do an arrow cancel (if the timing is still possible)

that was the hard part... punish his recovery, NOT WITH DAIR... while he is moving in his up+b nothing can touch him (as for my experience, my dairs havent hit him even when its visually proven that the dair would have hit)... but, the recovery is easily hogged, if hes a good lucario hell go for a stage clin gin most of the cases, so, your mind game is... stay on the edge, if he can aim for the stage, hell go there, but if his last resource is to cling, mindgame him staying on the edge, he has to cling, so... as soon as his up+banimation starts drop off the edge and time well a fair where he will cling for a stage spike kill

outcamp lucario is your main key for winning, also, dont approach, lucario spaces really well, so, make him rather approach, if he does by dairing, you have boomrang

ugh hope this helps


That helped a lot!!!
I was wondering on how I should approach edgeguarding and what kind of grabs to do.
Thanks a bunch for that.

Ill just have to out gay him and try to make him approach.
If he ever will.

Oh and thanks for the spot dodge bit.
Thats forward smash was hitting me a bunch.

[KoalaBear]

Maybe toon link isn't the char for you. .

Are you joking santi is really good at tinky. I wish i could be as good as him at tink :P, but to answer your thread, use your projectiles

[YumClock]

I don't know anything about Lucario.
What is AS?

edit:
oh. aura sphere. I knew that.

[edde]

That helped a lot!!!
I was wondering on how I should approach edgeguarding and what kind of grabs to do.
Thanks a bunch for that.

Ill just have to out gay him and try to make him approach.
If he ever will.

Oh and thanks for the spot dodge bit.
Thats forward smash was hitting me a bunch.

i wouldnt suggest much making grabbing your main strategy, since his fsmash has more range than your hook, and if your hook misses you can be severly punished... so, id suggest shieldgrabbing on obvious ocasions, like, when he forwards or down smashes you at short ranges, or when he tilts... out of TL's throws i lik ebest down and up since they set utilt juggles and/or bair juggles... i wouldnt suggest this vs lucario cause of his insane dair... all on toon throws do 7 so, backthrow would be the best option in my opinion... ofc, if you backthrow him a lot, he wont be used to the downthrow so, out of a certain amount of throws you can downthrow as a mindgame to set a bair combo or utilt juggling

on the edge... chase him down, if he knows you dair a lot, hell dodge, so, i would suggest you to fair or nair him out, also, you can bair or back hit nair to stage spike him.... hog him like a jerk, be aware of his trajectory so you can predict if he will wall cling... use dair rarely or time it if he air dodges a lot in a panicky way cause of the fact that youre above him


well yeh, if someone ***s you you gotta *** him back... at least in brawl... hope this helps also