toon link's tier

[mariofanpm12]

how do you think toon link will be placed in the tier list?

as for myself, i ahev no real clue, i just assume he'll be higher than link

[JTB]

tiers don exits

[VietGeek]

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[Ezkl]

I thought it was "tires don exits".

Anyway, I think he'll be mid or lower-high. He has some shaky match-ups against popular tourney characters that prevents him from reaching up further.

Still fun to use though.

I agree, I think Toon Link is probably top-high tier at best at the moment. Like Viet said he has some tough matches especially Olimar and sorta Meta Knight.

[old king coal]

toon link = top of middle tier

[Yukiwarashi]

Here's a better question...who cares where he ends up?

Toon Link players are responsible for using Toon Link to his full potential. We should be worrying about that rather than where he'll end up on a tier list...after all, we are the ones' whose performances decides where he goes, right?

[old king coal]

Here's a better question...who cares where he ends up?

Toon Link players are responsible for using Toon Link to his full potential. We should be worrying about that rather than where he'll end up on a tier list...after all, we are the ones' whose performances decides where he goes, right?

give the man a cigar .... no really this guy should be quoted in every tier discussion

[Ørion]

For a while he was thought to be top, but as it was put above "tires don exits". Anyway, I think it will be lower-mid high tier. His aerials are just ridiculous when combined with RARing and his projectiles are also great.

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Upper-mid or lower-high.

[QUIVO]

Toon Link will more than likely be high.

[VietGeek]

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[bioniclekid8]

no offence :) but imo,

tiers are for queers

why do you think i partly main sonic? :p

[TLink_King]

Here's a better question...who cares where he ends up?

Toon Link players are responsible for using Toon Link to his full potential. We should be worrying about that rather than where he'll end up on a tier list...after all, we are the ones' whose performances decides where he goes, right?


*Claps* But at the same time, he's the middle of high tier right now. He's in the upper quarter of characters.

[eMORAY21]

Mid-high i think. But has too much trouble with snake / mk

[rinoH]

mid tier or high tier

[Jube Jube]

Ah, guess I'm one of the few people who think he might end up as top tier, bottom top tier but top tier nonetheless. But the fact remains that only us Toon Link smashers will be able to decide where he'll end up. It really doesn't matter since I don't even care what the tier list ends up as, but since the thread asked me to guess I gave my opinion.

And as for people saying that he has trouble fighting Metaknights and Snakes most of the cast has trouble fighting those people. At least Toon Link has amazing aerials, projectiles, and very fast and deadly attacks.

[GI Josh]

so basically we are saying that TL will be the new captain falcon. I personaly say he will be at the middle to the top of high tier

[Nargle]

As was said before.

Do the players Make the Tiers or the Tiers make the players?

What it means is that do players pick their characters from those that are top in the tiers or do the players pick the characters and put them up top in the tiers?

[JesiahTEG]

As was said before.

Do the players Make the Tiers or the Tiers make the players?

What it means is that do players pick their characters from those that are top in the tiers or do the players pick the characters and put them up top in the tiers?

Both. Some people choose good characters because they are the best...Others choose them because they like them or feel they have potential, and then they do great with them.

[Phoenix~Lament]

High tier or Top of mid tier.

[huenikad]

I'm thinking TL will end up high tier.

[AvantGarde]

Here's a better question...who cares where he ends up?

Toon Link players are responsible for using Toon Link to his full potential. We should be worrying about that rather than where he'll end up on a tier list...after all, we are the ones' whose performances decides where he goes, right?
Truth emanates from this post.

Aside from that, I think it's better if people think he's mid. Once to main a high-top tier character people always say you're either cheap or using a godly character and don't care if they lose, and when they win they're all like "ZOMG I BEAT U LOL U USED A TOP TIER CHARCTR."
TL is fun and great, why spoil it with being top tier?

[superman969]

I think he'll end up pretty high.


And I love that one guy that comes into every tier discussion thread and says "IMO, tiers are for queers"

[JesiahTEG]

I think, at the very end of Brawl's lifespan, he'll end up as high tier. The real question I'm wondering is, will he be able to win national tournies?

[Hype]

I think for the first tier list toon link will be signifigantly lower than high tier. I don't think he will be even mid tier. I'm basing this on the fact that Toon Link isn't winning any tourneys and that tier list are determined by tourney results and matchups. Although he is pretty solid on the match ups, he struggles against metaknight (a popular tourney character) which is one of the reasons he not winning much.

this is the thread for whos winning touneys by Ankoku

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

As you can see toon link is in the bottom catagory for tourney placings

[TLink_King]

Last time I said high, now I say middle. For some reason, he's not doing well in tourneys, and I have no clue why.

[Rawrness]

Last time I said high, now I say middle. For some reason, he's not doing well in tourneys, and I have no clue why.

Probably because not many people use him...or there aren't many TL "pros" out there.

[Ørion]

Please don't let this degenerate into a discussion of whether tiers exist or not, there are enough of those already :(

[mariofanpm12]

I'll take a guess at him being at the top of mid-tier or the bottom of high-tier.
At least in the longrun.
But unfortunately, many players don't use/ win with TL in tourneys, so he may find himself either in lower mid-tier or (hopefully not) Low Tier...

[cam702]

I think for the first tier list toon link will be signifigantly lower than high tier. I don't think he will be even mid tier. I'm basing this on the fact that Toon Link isn't winning any tourneys and that tier list are determined by tourney results and matchups. Although he is pretty solid on the match ups, he struggles against metaknight (a popular tourney character) which is one of the reasons he not winning much.

this is the thread for whos winning touneys by Ankoku

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

As you can see toon link is in the bottom catagory for tourney placings


I really can't believe your basing your opinion that Toon Link with be below middle tier off of that thread. The ranking system even disclaims itself of any tier-like notions by including the specific terminology "underused" and "never used". That's exactly what Toon Link is. If you've played with him at all, you know he's a overall more effective character than over half of the people ranked above him.

It's just stupid to suggest that such a system is accurate (or generally even relevant in the case of those levels under B) after seeing that Ganondorf is ranked above Toon Link, Luigi, Lucas, and Pikachu. Pikachu!? Such a good freakin' character.

However, I'm not one of poor judgement. It's plausible to assume that Snake, Metaknight, Falco, and some others at the peak are where they should and are going to be, but EVERYONE should understand that, regardless of my opinions about tournaments and tiers, if there is any character in that list that is robbed the most, it's Toon Link.

And for that reason, your use of this thread as a means to construct any verification for your argument is beyond foolish.



--Oh and P.S., and I'll try to say this only one time. There will always be at least the slightest difference in the maximum ability between characters in these types of games. Tiers are a tool to use acquired information from collective data and experience to express these differences. That's it. "Tiers are for queers" is an idiotic statement as it's even more unproductive than the idiot who's saying it believes tiers are. Nevertheless, skill prevails over tiers, not only because an incredible Cpt. Falcon can defeat a piss poor Metaknight (because that's a dumb example), but because players who use more closely ranked characters whose skill differences are slightly less discernible will have juggled results on the battlefield (which also can blow the utilization of tourney results as a means of finding tiers out of the water in some cases).

[ozg82889]

i believe at the lowest toon link will be near the bottom of mid tier but due to the fact that toon link seems to be underused and not enough great toon link players have appeared he will most likely be low tier for a while until people start playing him more often and skillfully.

[JesiahTEG]

Ok guys, yesterday at a tournament, I placed 3rd with Toon Link...I give Ankoku the results, and he adds them to his tier list...This is a good way for us to see his ranking so far. If we place top 3 with Toon Link in tournies, we get him points for the tier list...So do it up guys, I already gave him a few points yesterday. xD

[VietGeek]

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[Jellyfishn]

I think he has a relatively good chance at being Top of middle or Bottom of high Tier. Not many use him though.....

[Clevr]

Right now, he can't be placed.

Obviously, he has a lot of potential to kick some arse, but hasn't been mastered by anyone enough. Bottom line is that he's not winning. At all!

I think TL's play style has to totally be redone before he can have a chance at competing at a competetive level. Something much more defense and punish oriented.

Use your bombs and arrows in a clever way, using his light weight self to bounce around the stage avoiding other character's attacks, and bombarding them with projectiles. After damage has been racked up a little bit, land, force them to come to you, and when they do, be ready for it, shield, and punish them with a Bair or Nair combo off the stage.

[ozg82889]

I see...

I'll try to use him more along with Marth. I just repped Marth and got 5th place at a popular GA monthly (not too bad since all the Melee pros usually rape all of us Brawl nubs at this "fighting" game).

So, is Toon Link a good CP against Dedede? It seems Marth can be CG'd by Dedede if you do it fast enough (he can't Dolphin Slash out of it; it seems). Can TL also be CG'd? If not, I already feel a wish to use him more.

This sorta hi-jacked the topic, but it's about tiers, right? <_<


i think toon link might not be chain grabbed by D3 but I'm not sure. in the match up chart it says toon link has a small advantage over him. I've only fought my friends D3 and his is a lot better then me but when i used TL against his D3 that match was extremely close as we were both around 140% before he got that last hit on me that killed me.

Edit: i just saw a video and toon link does get chain grabbed unless it was the toon links fought that he got chain grabbed.

[Jube Jube]

With people like Kizzu, GI Josh (from what I heard but he sounds really goodand well... me Toon Link will be make it at high tier. =p

NAh, to be honest and serious, I'd go withprobably top of middle tier like most people say, unless one of us can find some ways to beat Metaknight and Olimar without too much trouble.

[cam702]

I doubt Toon Link will be below high tier.

[Eclipse_the_Sun]

incidentally on the tier discussion thread toon link tends to rank from mid-high to anywhere in upper ( a new tier between high and mid because of brawls lager cast)

[JesiahTEG]

Toon Link can be cg'd by D3, but he still has the advantage IMO. Toon Link should never really get grabbed by DDD, due to his projectiles and great movement.

I predict Toon Link will be high tier. I don't expect to see him win any national tournies.