I have a question for Ike pros???

[lil cj]

Hey wats up Ike community
I main Ike, but Im having some trouble.
I get beaten badly by fast characters(which is obvious b/c Ike is so slow)
But when I see/play against Ike pros they have no problem beating faster characters.
How do u do it??
They make Ike look like he has no lag on his moves at all and makes him seem faster.
Any advice for an Ike noob??
I really need some help to improve my Ike
Thanks:)

[Rykoshet]

Use faster moves.

[blu link]

This isn't a bad stereo type but I've seen a lot of Pit mainers asking for help with other characters like in the Link boards. But besides the point, Use faster moves.

QFT.

[metroid1117]

Spam the IASA (interruptible as soon as) frames on Ike's aerials. See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjuWxzdOz8) for details. BAir can be autocanceled from a short-hop if you do it fast enough (the animation ends by the time you land if you jump and BAir right away, giving you only 4 frames of landing lag).

Against faster characters (I'm guessing people like Fox), you'll want to zone them out with FAir; abuse it's range and IASA frames by jabbing right after you land to shut down any potential approaches.

[lil cj]

Thanks for the advice everyone:)

[OmegaXF]

Spam the IASA (interruptible as soon as) frames on Ike's aerials. See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjuWxzdOz8) for details. BAir can be autocanceled from a short-hop if you do it fast enough (the animation ends by the time you land if you jump and BAir right away, giving you only 4 frames of landing lag).

Against faster characters (I'm guessing people like Fox), you'll want to zone them out with FAir; abuse it's range and IASA frames by jabbing right after you land to shut down any potential approaches.
Very usefull. Also you should jab cancell and double jump Nairs and fairs. You can also auto cancel Dair And Fair if ou use a full hop instead of a SH. And if you use lotion it will be a piece of cake.

[XACE-K]

You just have to get better. When you play fast characters, learn from your mistakes and work upon that.

[HW_Dark Link]

Good info thanks :)

[Lawlb0t]

- You want to do backwards fairs also. (jump, cstick -> forward, then use joystick to move backwards)
- If you don't use the C-stick for aerials, learn to, its much better.
- Don't roll excessively, his roll isn't great
- Don't spam quick draw
- Don't spam eruption
- Learn to RAR (reverse aerial rush)
- Spam jab cancels (lol)

This is debatable, but I would suggest not using quick draw to recover unless you have to. If you can recover using aether, then use it.

[Empy]

- You want to do backwards fairs also. (jump, cstick -> forward, then use joystick to move backwards)


You mean jump backwards and keep holding it then c-stick forward as soon as you leave the ground. Gives some more backward momentum.

[ptown]

try using ike's ranged sword attack.

[doom dragon 105]

i dont recognize anyone who posted here w/e
usually against fast people you should grab and break there flow and you should be fine also if its not marth play keep away

[dudemanthing]

Use jab more often
lol, i won a match with a n00b just by spamming jab

[Kinzer]

Use Ike's monster melee range to your advantage, just because he is slow doesn't mean he has some stuff going for him, his dash attack goes further and most other peoples dash attacks, his fair is the longest in the game, his Usmash goes all around him, sometiems his Dsmash can hit the other side at touching range, meaning where teh sword isn't striking at. not sure what else to ya bud.

[Lawlb0t]

Well its given you don't recognize anyone. No one is pro with Ike yet except for a few. I play in southern Ontario, so my Ike gets lots of good practice, so I am certainly not garbage.

[Jporiey]

try Using Ike's Ranged Sword Attack.

...............orly ?

[smashfriend]

Hey wats up Ike community
I main Ike, but Im having some trouble.
I get beaten badly by fast characters(which is obvious b/c Ike is so slow)
But when I see/play against Ike pros they have no problem beating faster characters.
How do u do it??
They make Ike look like he has no lag on his moves at all and makes him seem faster.
Any advice for an Ike noob??
I really need some help to improve my Ike
Thanks:)

well i have notice with some fighter move fast with there shield roll try tha
or you could start with a grab and work you way up ive never realy had this problum with ike

[Jporiey]

well i have notice with some fighter move fast with there shield roll try tha
or you could start with a grab and work you way up ive never realy had this problum with ike


please, this isnt a text message or a brothel, please dont rape the english language

[ptown]

but his native language isn't english.

[SMASHMASTER01]

use mostly melee atacks

[ptown]

use mostly melee atacks

good idea, but i think using close-ranged physical attacks is better.

[noobslayer]

Just wanting to add in a point here that a lot of beginners fail to notice....

The OP pointed out that he had trouble with fast characters because Ike is slow, however any good player in ANY fighting game knows that this is essentially BS. There is absolutely nothing that makes faster characters have a particular advantage over slower character, of course there are tiers, but slower characters are going to have compensation in ranger power, etc. and it is illogical that they would simply have 'trouble' with fast characters. Dedede has ZERO problems with Falcon, lol.

[Roager]

Just wanting to add in a point here that a lot of beginners fail to notice....

The OP pointed out that he had trouble with fast characters because Ike is slow, however any good player in ANY fighting game knows that this is essentially BS. There is absolutely nothing that makes faster characters have a particular advantage over slower character, of course there are tiers, but slower characters are going to have compensation in ranger power, etc. and it is illogical that they would simply have 'trouble' with fast characters. Dedede has ZERO problems with Falcon, lol.
Uh, no. Slow characters are balanced, no doubt, but that doesn't mean that someone like DDD has a good matchup against someone like Falcon. I'd like to know why the smash community seems to be hatin on Falcon so much, anyway. But that's not the point. The point is that Fox, if played to emphasize speed, is incredibly hard to beat. Even as another fast character. The reason people like speed is because they realize that it is very hard to find openings and weak points against a fast fighter. That would explain why Brawl has (debatably) 5 slows (Ganny, Boozer, DDD, DK, Charzard) out of its roughly 40 characters. Demand is high for fast characters. Granted, this is not to say that everyone in brawl is fast. Snake and G+W aren't fast, we all know Link's far from speedy. Plus, all the middlin' characters, like Mario, Luigi, ROB, etc. But still. 5 slows of 40 fasts is hardly proportional.

Point is, slows are at a disadvantage, like it or not. They're not doomed, of course; the disadvantage is overcome-able. Speed isn't a deciding factor, but it is a factor. To say that Falcon is useless against DDD is asenine.

EDIT: I apologize for ranting, it just needed to be said. I think...

[Arturito_Burrito]

First off it's asinine, if you are going to try and sound smart at least do it right.

second stop posting and spend the next month reading. If you do post post in stickies because this is where the dumb questions do no harm. (like keeping useless topics alive)

Third, screw this your post is just so wrong that I can't even argue against it since it contradicts it self and is just completely wrong pretty much word for word. You should apologize for ranting because it was definitly not needed to be said.