Bombs Guide

[Silex]

Bombs Guide

As you already know, us, TL mainers are very weak against MK or other caracters that can attack and protect herself in the sam time (Grrrr Olimar and the PIKMINS ><).
So I think the best way to approach safely and to be protecting against the "combo" could be to adopt a "Bomb" game.

We already know how to do an Aerial with a bomb and we know how to do spacing holding a bomb. So I think always fight with a bomb is a good solution.

So, if you answer me that this topic is a good idea I think we could make a Big Guide that could help against some caracters ...

I start :

Basic Moves

1) Drop a Bomb : In the air, push Z to drop a bomb

2) Put a bomb on the ground : pick up a bomb and drop her just before landing

3) Aerial "holding" a bomb : Jump, drop the bomb a just after do an Aerial, you will attack and catch your bomb in the same time

4) Zair holding a bomb : You have to airdodge just before the Zair

Combos

1) Pick up a bomb, then Zair, throw your bomb in the adversary and dash to Usmash
==> It's a good finish combo and during the battle it use about 30%

2) Pick Up a bomb, Z-air, then do a N-air and throw your bomb.
==> Good move wish allow to do an other combo just after.


That all for the moment i hope it's a good idea but i'm not sure so i ask you ^^

If it can be usefull I 'll update this post when you'll tell me some new moves ^^

(PS/ It's just a guide, I haven't discover anything, you already know this but ...
And sorry for my horrible english xD)

[Vect0r]

Bombs, you want it? It's yours my friend...

I like to use bombs.

[BKrkr]

Nice, I'll go practicing this later on. My bomb game needs some serious work.

[UnderWing]

Depending on damage levels, something you may want to try is throwing a bomb at close range -- it's a "surprise hello" kind of move, but if the conditions are right you will be sent into the air next to your enemy... and in a great position for a NAir. It's a stupid little trick, but I've gotten kills by extending the combo past that, and keeping the enemy in the air.

Now for something that's actually useful and a little more reliable -- at higher damages, when you hit someone into the air with with a bomb (good for coming out of either of the combos you listed), if the enemy gets hit high enough to not be susceptible to a hyphen smash, try a SH-UAir or SH-FAir (really dependent on height and DI). Bombs are the main way I set up my FAirs, really -- usually they'll try to dodge the attack too early (and their character will still be stunned from the explosion, resulting in *nothing* happening) or they'll dodge late... in which case it's already over :P.

Overall, the thread's a good idea -- though maybe a discussion rather than a guide, as there exist many different strategies and styles that people use with bombs. Bomb game is something that some people don't use (and some don't need), while others rely on it. It's really just your preferred flavor, but I think that the ability to use bombs efficiently, effectively, and unpredictably (even if you don't use it) is a good thing to have. I'm a fan of using bombs during recovery, to cover my approach back to the ledge... bombs and boomerangs, less so with the arrows (which I know is a popular alternative).

Another great thing to learn to do is SH-pull bomb-arrow cancel -- it gets you a bomb to work with, and covers the landing. Let's see... other good things with bombs... practice off-ledge bomb grabbing (drop, grab bomb, second jump and up-b if needed, or try using a wall jump to mix it up... alternatively, drop, jump, bomb grab, and grab the ledge (or up-b)). Drop to UThrow's useful... I mean, just experiment off the ledge -- bomb games are great off the ledge... but then, I love playing off the ledge :D.

--UnderWing

[TLMarth]

We refer to items as "it". Anyways, a good guide. What underwing mentioned- quick draw after pulling bombs and also throwing. It's also possible to pull and lay a bomb in the same short hop. Also dropping bombs at the edge from an edgehop. And lol at the zair bomb up smash, I call it the VG combo lol. Reminds me of the young link bombs guide. Put a link to it in your original post to add more

[Santi]

I've actually been working on doing aerials with a bomb lately.

[UnderWing]

Dropping bombs on the ledge is, in fact, a useful little trick -- you can even quickly pick it back up while rising or falling from SH'ing off the ledge -- combine that with some boomerang, arrow, or second bomb play off the ledge and it can be really fun. It's important to note that if you try to drop a bomb on the ledge, but your opponent's standing on the edge, the bomb will blow up (regardless of what altitude you do it from)... if you're expecting it, you might be able to use it to your advantage, but try it out at different damages (both you and your opponent) so that you know approximately how far you'll end up being blown back.

--UnderWing

[Silex]

And lol at the zair bomb up smash, I call it the VG combo lol. Reminds me of the young link bombs guide. Put a link to it in your original post to add more

Yes you're right !
Thanks to him xD

But I want your opinion about the second "combo", I worked on it this week and I think it could be, if you master him, very usefull to do a lot of dammage quickly and to do an other combo just after (cause of the last throw!) .
And because of the surprise, i think that the first time your adversary won't understand how you've done it holding a bomb !

And thanks UnderWing for all this little trick wish are very usefull !

(I'll edit my first post tomorrow morning, it's the night in france ^^)

[TLMarth]

I'm having trouble with bomb aerials...

[VietGeek]

I think you can do bomb aerials easily if you drop the bomb at the height of your hop, then fastfall your aerial. Of course some moves you don't want to fastfall (Fair for example, since it doesn't autocancel). Also, since your bombs don't explode when you hit them anymore, you can use your aerials to pick them up. Meaning you can throw a bomb up, and do an aerial to catch them.

Of course, you can airdodge it too. If you drop a bomb as you descend, you can grab it immediately again with an airdodge or aerial. It's a great "mindgame" if you've conditioned your opponent to be weary of bombs.

I'm flattered guys. I'm really flattered. =D

EDIT: It seems SH Zair, to SH Nair, to jab combo (don't try to jab cancel) works. Can someone see how viable the set-up is?

[Barge]

Yeah, your grammar is a bit troubling to read, but none-the-less it's a great guide!

I especially liked the "Putting the bomb on the ground"

[sasukebowser]

Dropping bombs on the ledge is, in fact, a useful little trick -- you can even quickly pick it back up while rising or falling from SH'ing off the ledge -- combine that with some boomerang, arrow, or second bomb play off the ledge and it can be really fun. It's important to note that if you try to drop a bomb on the ledge, but your opponent's standing on the edge, the bomb will blow up (regardless of what altitude you do it from)... if you're expecting it, you might be able to use it to your advantage, but try it out at different damages (both you and your opponent) so that you know approximately how far you'll end up being blown back.

--UnderWing

Did someone say ledge? >_> *points to my thread*
lol jk.

Bomb work is getting important.
Grabbing a bomb after it hits someones shield is becoming one of my favorite things to do.
You don't have to waste time pulling out a new bomb and its a lot faster.
Theres probably a lot more that we can do with bombs just cuz they're an "item" projectile. They're pwers are untapped.
This was all off topic wasn't it? ._. Sorry.

[Silex]

Hi.
This morning i've founded we can, when the adversary is about 30% (maybe other % i haven't try) , combine the second combo with and Zair + hyppen smash.
I'm going tu make a vid but you could try and tell me what you think about :

pull out a bomb => Zair => nair => throw the bomb => zair => dash to usmash (this combo do 40% dommage)

But it's just a possibility because of the bomb you throw you can do anything you want.

PS/ dont forget to Fast fall after the Nair

[clowsui]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfzklL-3D9w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxxWaxlrloU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofSuclqhA6M

Very good examples of proper bomb application. In fact, usage was so good that it broke Vidjo's shield.

Quivo = too good

[BKrkr]

Bombs can be used for defense as well, but they aren't as useful as Snake's 'nades. Have a friend or the cpu trap you in an AAA or simply a combo, while having a shield up. Now, pull out a bomb, bring up the shield, and wait for it to blow. The point of this is a last resort in case the opponent has a suffocating attack that forces you to stay in your shield. The bomb blows, hopefully it catches both of you, and you are free to attack with Toon's superior air game.

[kingkirby91]

see wat i do is throw a bomb into the air from the ground and grab the person adn drow them up. its always funny 2 see someone fly up into a bomb

[Silex]

I don't think it's usefull xD
Funny for sure but it's always better throw to nair or to some bair ...

[ShadowMccloud]

I love bombs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TLMSheikant]

Dont bump older than 3 month threads. Its against the rules.