Bomber7's Video Thread

[Bomber7]

I've decided to update this thread to make it my own video thread. I got two matches recorded at Gameware monthly 6 and they were posted last night by one of the guys I know. Ignore the past comments on here, these are old. I want you to pay attention to the two new matches posted from my goggle match.

Aero vs. Pacmn (Sept)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dbI5T2VAjc

Bomber vs. Sudai (Jan)
Goggle match#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syM_8NznAow

Goggle match#2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD2O9XOJJ9Y

Note: For the first match just know I went back and realized I SHD-aired on stage when I shouldnt have a few times and also for the second match I tried to D-air Sudai before he grabbed the stage but found out the hard way, ROB has the same ledge grab as TL. Otherwise I need y'alls help for telling me what I did wrong.

[sasukebowser]

Not to shabby.

Be careful with your bombs.

[Shover]

Top players don't continuously crank out bombs for the sake of racking damage (which I see a lot of in this video). Attacking with a bomb in hand just gives you one more option to react to your opponent or set up your own attacks. Whether you actually hit with it or not doesn't matter in a lot of instances. Projectiles aren't an end in of themselves. They should almost always be used with a larger attack or defense strategy. With this in mind, take not of the following:

-When your opponent is falling, try throwing your bombs up as a mindgame, so their eyes don't notice you following up with an Uair. You can congratulate them on dodging the bomb during the star finish animation

-Use bombs to help gimp Link's recovery. It's one of the worst in the game so you shouldn't hesitate to mess with him off the stage. Bomb to Dair as well as stagespike with your delicious Fair or Nair once in awhile to keep him on his toes while off the edge

-This is less applicable on platformed stages like Battlefield, but throwing bombs up and backing up behind them gives you some breathing room if your opponent is up in your face. Even nasty MK's are less inclined to approach if you have a bomb waiting to come down right in front of you

-Similar to throwing bombs up you can clear your landing area by dropping bombs with Z if they're running around below you waiting for a smash or aerial. I like to drop with Z rather than down throw because the point is to let them see the bomb more than hit them with it.

-Get the timing down on arrow cancels. They're one of your best friends in any matchup

-When playing a character that's relatively safe to approach (Link), be aggressive with your sword and hookshot if you have a returning boomerang. When it forces them to either shield, jump, or spot dodge, you have your opening for a grab or smash.

-Switch up the order of your projectiles. Almost always toss the boomerang after you've pulled the bomb. That way, the projectiles end up helping each other. Bomb throw to boomerang is just as good as only the boomerang because the starting lag on the boomerang eliminates any advantage you would get from pressuring them with the bomb.

-Hold the bomb longer. As long as it's in your hand, it'll make your opponents think that much harder.

-Gah, there was one more, but I forgot. Feel free to correct, everybody.

[VietGeek]

Don't challenge Link's sword. Dair against his Uair was funny though.

You play a lot like me, now incorporate Zair to your game and we can do something like the "Kizzu Ditto." ^^

Don't be too reckless or showy in-between stocks though.

[Rawrness]

-Switch up the order of your projectiles. Almost always toss the boomerang after you've pulled the bomb. That way, the projectiles end up helping each other. Bomb throw to boomerang is just as good as only the boomerang because the starting lag on the boomerang eliminates any advantage you would get from pressuring them with the bomb.



You've contradicted yourself.

Anyways. It's okay to throw your bombs quickly...
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh arrows are better for gimping imo since they have less upward knockback but on the downside, they're harder to aim.

[Barge]

Lessen on your bombs. Arial attack more

[Ginger_Warrior]

Lessen on your bombs. Arial attack more
This match would have finished much sooner if you had.

Bad Link as well, tbh, no offense to whoever was playing him. >_>

[Shover]

You've contradicted yourself.

Anyways. It's okay to throw your bombs quickly...
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh arrows are better for gimping imo since they have less upward knockback but on the downside, they're harder to aim.

No, I think it made perfect sense (switch up as in reverse completely).

[Bomber7]

*sigh* ok I want to confirm something. No matter what y'all's opinions are, bombing is my style, it is how I've been fighting since I played link in 64. Ok, so the only thing I see that I could work on is holding the bomb longer occasionally. Otherwise, bombing is the style which works for me.

Also Pacmn is a decent player at the tourny, its just at that tourny I decided to go all with TL and not PT.

Besides, is it really that bad that my style incluse using bombs in every aspect of my attack. As Testiment said(who I lost too, my 2nd lost match but really close) he was impressed and agreed that my style is an entire mind game. And as it was stated, duh, my style opens up many options and can put pressure on my oponent. Besides, I'm proud of my style.

Also another thing, lol, I really dont care about my bomb's blowing up in my face, as wierd as it sounds, I enjoy it. My philosophy about bombing is that a Bomb can be your friend and your worst enemy. That philosophy is pretty easy to understand. Though if you cant help but list the resons and explainations of that philosophy I guess you can.

And VietGeek, I just kinda got a little cocky like at 2:25-2:26 when I failed at falling through the platform to meteor smash. Lol I had that coming. Also the taunting I did it cuz I had enough time to and I wanted to. It was a fun match.

None of what I said is flame FYI.

Bombing RULES!

To be honest I feel like the Crimsen Alchemist, I am a friking psyco with explosives. It keeps my mind at bay. sure you can call me a lunatic bnut idrc. Bombinh is fun and if oyu look at it, It helps for most character match ups and thanks to Chyphus who I lost to first, do not play against Kirby.

[Redson]

If you're going to ask for help, do yourself a favor and don't immediately dismiss other people's advice to you. I don't think anyone here is telling you to stop using bombs, but instead, to use them more as a mindgame, or as a distraction of sorts. Toon Link's arial attacks are his best friend, and making someone jump to escape from a bomb can ultimately lead to that unfortunate soul's ruin. A projectile game will work for some characters, but as people have said, top players don't crank up damage with that.

Again, if you're going to ask for help on these boards, don't immediately dismiss other people with things like, "Bombing is my style that works for me". Doing so makes you seem like you're acting superior to people who are just offering constructive critisism. Just remember, You asked.

[Bomber7]

.... Sorry ^^' my bad. hmmm now that i think of that, anyone want to list bombing mind games? Yeah I do see my flaw in racking up damage with bombs trust me that has crossed my mind a few times but I ignored it due to the ignorance of perofming a better attack to rack damage thn just play a range game with bombs and boomberaang, keep control of my oponent's distance, then close range at my desire. so.... anyone with a creative mind here that is still willing to help me out?

Once again sorry for my rudeness, I'm really bad at forums, this is my first year doing it, I have alot to learn. I'll check tomoroow if you have any ideas. G2g do work ttyl.

[Barge]

Also, I noticed you didn't grab or use zair much for that matter, grabbing/zairing is an awesome move to set up combos/possible damage rackers.

Such as dthrow to bair-bair
zair to dsmash/fsmash

[Redson]

Also, fraid to say, but Pacmn definately wouldn't be your best opponent. Coming from another LA player who has played, and beaten Pacmn with a 100% win streak, he's not the best. We can't really judge you from outstanding performance against someone who's not very good. Go fight someone better then post.

[Phoenix~Lament]

Learn how to JC Bombtoss Slide. It's not hard, pretty useful, and easy to incorporate into your game. Especially you, since you love bombs.

You DO realize though, that the top players are top for a reason. They know how to use characters to their full potential, which means they know how to win against many, MANY other players. Otherwise they wouldn't be at the top. And you don't see bomb-spamming in the top circle.. Dyou get my drift? It may be your style, but it certainly isn't common or necessarily good.

[Hyro]

I think it's great lol.

Your name is bomber7 and you seriously are a bomber in the game, funny style. One thing, I would change your wifi tag to "Bomb" since that would be a cool name, but mainly because if I saw you without knowing your username here, I would think "spammer". But knowing you here, I'm like "lolwut cool".

I can see me being cautious attacking you with a bomb in my face all the time, so I would approach with an aerial. Maybe you should jump then throw bombs.

[Bomber7]

Well, just because bombing such as I do, isnt in the top layer circle, doesnt mean it can join that circle. Redson I think saw my match with Cyphus, or someone did, but from all of that of which you saw I almost beat his DK and thanks to his DK game, he always places pretty high in the top 5.

Yeah I do need more work but in time I will get better and develop more/ better combos. I have so much to work with after all a bomb opens many gateways for me as to what to do next.

@ at Hyrule Royalty: Nice to see you find it humorous(not being sarcastic I really do apreciate you laughing at that). Also I do jump occasionally jump and throw my bombs and follow up with my boomberaang and it it lands where the bomb did making a dual hit combo and start up for anything else I want to do.

I'm a bit disapointed though. I can't bomb-grab like I could in 64. In 64 I could throw a bomb and grab you instantly. In meele I had to wait for like a milisecond to do it. With TL it's a bit hard due to his short grab range and big bomb blast radius. though I'm thinking of a mind game which I thought of a few minutes ago where I draw a bomb jump press Z droping it and instantly do that Z-air grab combo. It might serve as a good move, Idk I'm still working out my kinks in TL.

[iRjOn]

Y are u knocking advise just take it and use it or dont.
If people give u advise its curtious to take it even if u kno it or dont want it.

But I like ur T.Link its like my Link in melee kinda.

[Bomber7]

Ok guys, I added my goggle match on the OP. I need some criticism on that. But read the OP cuz I have a note under the matches.

=D

Still need some improvement, gotta play smarter.

[Rawrness]

I'm noob. But I think I have some advice:

-too many smashes at low percents (1st match, 1st stock)
-no nairs, zairs
-Loles be careful with R.O.B. offstage
-Remember to aerial+retreat stuff
-AC'ed aerials and bombpulls


Rawrness is dumb.

[Bomber7]

thanks for tips. I know i definatly need to Zair. I was doing some training mode and I think I got the rythem down for ding an effective Zair, I'm just gona air dodge then Zair, I found it really effective. plus it will come in handy when I have a bomb in my hand(which I 98% do)

[oOJaseOo]

quite respectable mate i love the bomb style, work on pulling the bombs out faster and be careful with your up b you left yourself open now and again.
but yea not bad ',; )

[Jman115]

my big thing I saw was you getting punished for your nairs. You would throw a bomb, he would block it and then you would try to nair. He saw this coming. If he shields the bomb, DI back and zair if you notice he caught on. That way you don't get punished when he shields your attack.

Also, Ibombing works well on big characters, may be worth learning for the matchup.

[Bomber7]

hmmm. interesting. so basically, if im right, Zair has many purposes for instance like continuing a steady flow of moves to keep you on balance and not have to be left open with a pause in time. with Zair you can keep the blows coming and keep a slight pressure game on your opponent cuz you cna follow up with a grab or and smash attack that you please or in my case throw a bomb.

=D
thanks. keep those tips coming.

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

I only saw the first minute of the first goggle vid (my internet connection is slow) I would just advise you to pull more bombs out in the air (SH Bomb pull or Full hop bomb pull) It's harder to punish and it means you can DI away or toward your opponent (depending on where they are) as your pulling it out.
Thats my two cents. Nice vid from what I saw.

[Bomber7]

I only saw the first minute of the first goggle vid (my internet connection is slow) I would just advise you to pull more bombs out in the air (SH Bomb pull or Full hop bomb pull) It's harder to punish and it means you can DI away or toward your opponent (depending on where they are) as your pulling it out.
Thats my two cents. Nice vid from what I saw.

thanks. I'll work on becoming aerial again when pulling out my bombs, the next thing I'm thinking on trying to do is holding my bombs longer, cuz if oyu notice I have a habbit of holding them for a second then throwing them, I think that if I chose my throws carefully, I could be able to set up a better combo then the initial one that I would if I would just automatically throw the bomb.