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ninjaconker

10-31-2008, 11:29 PM

Well this is me facing qerkdtx
Sorry about bad quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bUYqljr8U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcI5Z2brSd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHnJlAVOzCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHsubCrFUTA

If anyone has any advice, ill be glad to hear it.

Pyroloserkid

11-01-2008, 12:07 AM

Before I start, topics like "Rate My Toon Link" shouldn't be made. You could just post your videos in one of the stickied threads and asked.

Anyways, I'll tell you what I think.
Great use of projectiles, fair, bair, and nair. Try not to use UpB on the ground. Even if you're 100% sure you'll hit with it, it can still be DI'd out of during the last view hits and then you can be punished pretty badly. It's pretty hard to say anything else since you're opponent wasn't very good at all, but just keep doing what you're doing.

Maybe a bit more zair and quick draw though.

ninjaconker

11-01-2008, 12:36 AM

oh sorry about that,

Well if been facing qerkdtx since brawl came out and i pretty much know all his strategies by now.

Pyroloserkid

11-01-2008, 12:55 AM

That might also be why he sucks.

Alzi

11-01-2008, 06:56 AM

I watched that ganondorf match. Very nice toon link just when you where trying to KO him you should of used a up smash since it's easier to hit. Nice throwing the bomb up then grabbing them then doing a up throw was nice to see. Since ganondorf is a heavy character up tilt would of worked good if you used it. Could of racked up some damage.

Shadow Moth

11-01-2008, 10:43 AM

More edge hogging/tether hogging. And more dair spiking. seriously you missed so many easy opportunities to dair spike. They should be obvious but if you ask I can give you the times in the first and second videos.

ninjaconker

11-01-2008, 11:38 AM

Obviously you've never played a good toon link before, a good TL won't use dair unless they footstool you first. Dairing on and offstage is too risky.

I wasn't thinking of doing a dair off the edge, to risky, but if you could tell me the times, that would be appreciated

Shadow Moth

11-01-2008, 12:02 PM

First video, 0:40 and 1:22.

Second video, 0:20-0:23, 1:06-1:07, 216 if you had comboed him, and 2:53-2:54.

ninjaconker

11-01-2008, 12:26 PM

I got to work on when i could hit that move,
but some of those times he would've seen my dair coming and airdodged.

Shadow Moth

11-01-2008, 01:03 PM

Not from the distance between your sword and his head.

TLMSheikant

11-01-2008, 01:14 PM

Decent Toon Link learn some advanced techinques like arrow cancelling and jump cancelled throws. And please do not use dair please dont. Its too risky at least off stage. If u want u can throw a dair on stage randomly but do not spam it. Whatever u do dont post a new video with dairs only my eyes are gonna bleed lol. Keep up the good work.

Vect0r

11-01-2008, 01:19 PM

you're pretty good. But when Ganondorf charges his punch, it's a better idea to just move out of the way then eventually punish him after that. In those cases it's not necessary to use your shield.

Overall though, you did well ;)

ninjaconker

11-01-2008, 01:39 PM

yah i sort of messed up there,
usually i would just roll behind him and hit him with an down smash

Corpsecreate

11-01-2008, 03:01 PM

I really dont think him airdodging would have been a problem. From my observations, (I only watched the 2nd ganon match) the ganon player doesnt seem to know that its possible to block and dodge in this game. Seriosly. In the ENTIRE MATCH he blocked 3 attacks, spotdodged zero times, air dodged zero times. Not only that but his approaches were very predictable and easy to manuever around.

Onto your toon link! When trying arrow spamming, try using SHDA you get more hits in. Also, you used Zair a bit but it wasnt mixed up very much, you kind of used it for 10 seconds straight and then didnt use it anymore for ages. Zair is also best because of its ability to lead into combos/kill move setups, instead you were using as an attack more than a combo starter, try using it a little bit later like just before you hit the ground. You could definetly improve on edgeguarding/edgehogging, I saw so many opportunities to gimp the ganon that you didnt take that I dont even wanna list them.

Hope that helps!

qerkdtx

11-01-2008, 03:22 PM

Thanks for calling me terrible at brawl, cuz i no i am.

ninjaconker

11-01-2008, 03:25 PM

yah i need to work on my zairs and arrow cancels more,

I really need to work on my gimping, since ganon has such a predictable recovery.

Shadow Moth

11-01-2008, 06:37 PM

I really don't think him airdodging would have been a problem. From my observations, (I only watched the 2nd Ganon match) the Ganon player doesnt seem to know that its possible to block and dodge in this game. Seriously. In the ENTIRE MATCH he blocked 3 attacks, spotdodged zero times, air dodged zero times. Not only that but his approaches were very predictable and easy to maneuver around.
Hope that helps!

Exactly! Based on his specific skill level it was possible to dair, but on better people, yes Sheikant, dairing would be an uber no-no.

ninjaconker

11-01-2008, 06:53 PM

Im pretty sure he would no when to airdodge a dair, i don'T think he is as bad as you guys think

He could do better

Shadow Moth

11-01-2008, 07:05 PM

Maybe but from what I saw he wouldn't have been able to react fast enough even if he saw it coming.

qerkdtx

11-01-2008, 07:44 PM

Black_Heretic

11-01-2008, 08:45 PM

Yah those vids of me where the first few of the day. Later on i started to get better at dodging his projectiles, and if he did, his dair

However I think that toon link is one of ganondorfs harder matchups(besides mk), due to lots of projectiles and sword priority/range

off topic but I'll say this:

Ganon doesn't have good matchups, all are bad, to use him competitively you have to be better than your opponent is and understand that you will always be at a disadvantage.

Good luck overcoming

On Topic: Good TL, I'd give advice but the people who know better have already said all I would have

qerkdtx

11-01-2008, 09:12 PM

Ganon doesn't have good matchups, all are bad

Um caption falcon

Even if a lot are bad, toon link is still the worst (besides mk)

Black_Heretic

11-01-2008, 10:52 PM

Um caption falcon

Even if a lot are bad, toon link is still the worst (besides mk)

I wasn't even counting that one, its a given ;)

And I heard Sheik 8-2s or 9-1s even him, TL isn't the worst, this is YOUR worst matchup

You're also forgetting that Marth, Snake, Falco, ROB, Samus, Wolf and Yoshi, all at least 70-30 him too (most are 80-20 from what I read)

but enough of that, this is the wrong place to discuss this

qerkdtx

11-01-2008, 11:07 PM

I disagree with you completly in some cases.

However this is the wrong place.

TLMSheikant

11-02-2008, 11:33 AM

Poor ganon but w/e lol we all know hes a bad character in brawl already. >_>

Shadow Moth

11-02-2008, 03:24 PM

yea. I was going to second him, but he is countered by everyone =P

qerkdtx

11-03-2008, 04:12 PM

Yea, I probably shouldn't have fought this on the toon link board

Not one of the greatest ideas

Pyroloserkid

11-03-2008, 07:38 PM

jump cancelled throws.
Don exits.

That might also be why he sucks.

Thanks for calling me terrible at brawl, cuz i no i am.LMFAO.

Bomber7

11-03-2008, 08:54 PM

you got a well balanced toon link. If you'd want to, I'd like to fight you. SauskeBowser has a WIFI threadf but it hasnt been active for the past week, but that doesnt really matter. Just like on my PT thread for WIFI, I'll fight anyone who wants to fight me. I think I got a decent TL game working for me. So anyone for a challange?