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Jman115
01-26-2009, 09:51 PM
Side note: While doing this I found you can jump cancel Usmash OOS. Im sure its already known but I found that potential useful for me.

This is a list of kill % for Usmash on FD of every character. I will also get to doing Fsmash at the middle of FD and the edge as well Along with some other kill moves down the road. Always good to have this kind of information in mind so you aren't guessing when to go in for the kill.

Keep in mind these percentages are all WITHOUT DI and the move is not stale aka not been used. So you may want to add 10-15% before definitely going in for the kill depending on your play styles and if you think your opponent will see it coming in time to DI.

I rounded the percents to the highest multiple of 10 or 5 so that the characters could be easily grouped and remembered. Trying to remember 40 some odd numbers and groups is much more difficult than 5 or 6.

Jiggly puff - 91
Squirtle - 95%

GnW - 100%
Metaknight - 100%
Kirby - 100%
Fox - 100%
ZSS - 100%

Zelda - 105%
Sheik - 105%
olimar - 105%
Peach - 105%
pikachu - 105%

Toon Link - 110%
Diddy Kong - 110%
Falco - 110%
Marth - 110%
Lucario - 110%
Lucas - 110%

Mario - 115%
Luigi - 115%
ice climbers - 115%
Wolf - 115%
Sonic - 115%
Ness - 115%
Pit - 115%

Ivysaur - 120%
Charzar - 120%
Rob - 120%
Yoshi - 120%
Wario - 120%
Samus - 120%

Link - 125%
gannon - 125%
captain falcon - 125%
Ike - 125%
Bowser - 125%

Donkey Kong - 130%
Snake - 130%

DDD - 135%

DJBrowny
01-26-2009, 09:57 PM
im very certain that kill %'s arent rounded off to the nearest 5%

Jman115
01-26-2009, 10:01 PM
no but i did that on purpose. Its a difference of like 1-2% in most cases
This way it is easier to remember and group characters in peoples head. The information is useless if you can't remember it with ease.

vanderzant
01-26-2009, 11:14 PM
Maybe you should group them into percentage groups that somewhat resemble tiers? For example

91-100%
MK
Kirby
Fox
Jiggz

101-110%
TL
etc

Nice list though!

toondiddy
01-26-2009, 11:26 PM
i was going to do this but with all 3 smashes.
good job

demonictoonlink
01-27-2009, 01:07 AM
Now U-Tilt pl0x?

TLMarth
01-27-2009, 04:23 AM
Ordered


jiggly puff - 91
Squirtle - 95%

GnW - 100%
Metaknight - 100%
Kirby - 100%
Fox - 100%
ZSS - 100%

Zelda - 105%
Sheik - 105%
olimar - 105%
Peach - 105%
pikachu - 105%

Toon Link - 110%
Diddy Kong - 110%
Falco - 110%
Marth - 110%
Lucario - 110%
Lucas - 110%

Mario - 115%
Luigi - 115%
ice climbers - 115%
Wolf - 115%
Sonic - 115%
Ness - 115%
Pit - 115%

Ivysaur - 120%
Charzar - 120%
Rob - 120%
Yoshi - 120%
Wario - 120%
Samus - 120%

Link - 125%
gannon - 125%
captain falcon - 125%
Ike - 125%
Bowser - 125%

Donkey Kong - 130%
Snake - 130%

DDD - 135%

Alzi
01-27-2009, 05:20 AM
Very nice gives us an idea when to up smash. All we need now is Forward smash and the others. It should be in groups like others have said.

iRjOn
01-27-2009, 05:29 AM
Nice job do all his kill moves plz
:D

Alzi
01-27-2009, 06:45 AM
Don't you think we need a WINDWAKER BIBLE with all these guides and stuff all into one.

It will make it much better since some threads die and never return. : (

Jman115
01-27-2009, 08:21 AM
Ill work on the other moves throughout the week. I have started the Fsmash list which will have %'s from the middle and edge of FD. Eventually I hope to have Utilt, Uair on a short hop, U air on a full hop, and a falling Fsmash off the stage.

Any other suggestions are encouraged. I am going to go reorder the list as suggested. Thanks for the suggestions and thanks for organizing that list for me Marth.

Z1GMA
01-27-2009, 12:16 PM
Bowser 125%? O_o

toondiddy
01-27-2009, 12:27 PM
Don't you think we need a WINDWAKER BIBLE with all these guides and stuff all into one.

It will make it much better since some threads die and never return. : (
vg said the same thing

SmokeyBBQ
01-30-2009, 01:25 AM
Nice. Good information to memorize.

I usually only Usmash when they're at 115%+
but now I know =D

DCStyle
01-30-2009, 02:12 AM
1 word: Platforms.

Jman115
01-30-2009, 08:28 AM
I was actually thinking about doing the percents for platforms on BF and Smashville and Norfair. But I am hosting another tourney tomorrow so i don't have time until maybe next week to work on this stuff.

Ashraf23
01-30-2009, 11:21 PM
Wow nice thats a helpful list

vbdood1337
02-02-2009, 11:43 PM
I am killing DDD off the top at 127 from the center of FD (I also seem to remember killing Jiggs off the top at like 80-something, I'm not sure though. I just tested the DDD kill %). Did you get these numbers from training mode or versus mode? According to Colin's Knockback and Damage Formula:
In versus mode, for moves affected by stale move decay, this factor is never 1. If a move is not in the stale move queue before being used, the value of this multiplier is exactly 1.05.

So moves will kill earlier in versus mode than in training mode. If you are doing this in versus mode, please tell me how you got these results.