Retreating SHDA (with video)

[Corpsecreate]

I have found a way to do a retreating SHDA. It is difficult to perform and hopefully someone can find an easier way to do it.

1. Run forward
2. Push the opposite direction on your controller for a split second then return the stick to neutral (requires some timing)
3. Hit an arrow
4. Immediatley afterwards hit the control stick in the opposite direction to the way you were running initially.

Basically what your doing here is a RAR then a Wavebounce. It is difficult to perform, probably too hard to make it useful but I assure you it does work. With practise of the timing it could become commonplace.

I have got a video uploaded now, the quality isnt the best in the world but you can watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfKr_GMLyk&fmt=18

DISCUSS!

[ZeroXMachine]

I've used this technique to help cover retreats. I had a lot of trouble with the input at first, but it really it's just a RARSHDA. It's good to fend off chasers, but watch the spacing because the closer they are, the easier it is for them to punish the after-lag of the second arrow (as with any arrow-cancel). It really helps you regain your spacing if used appropriately.

It's certainly viable as a technique to use, but the difficulty and situational nature of the move prevents frequent use (at least for me).

[VietGeek]

Is this even Short Hop DOUBLE Arrow? It seems to me this is a B-reversal of a single shorthop arrow.

In which case it's actually pretty old news. ._.

But hey, we all gotta try progressing our niche characters mirite?

[urdailywater]

Is this even Short Hop DOUBLE Arrow? It seems to me this is a B-reversal of a single shorthop arrow.

In which case it's actually pretty old news. ._.

But hey, we all gotta try progressing our niche characters mirite?

I think he means a reversed SHDA?

I've done it before. Just have to tap back a bit after jumping..

It's known most likely either way though..

I think the tech is pretty easy, but not for repetitive use. I don't use it much, because it's hard to do it in battle when I'm trying to do a million other things. O.o

[damezguy]

nice findings, at least your doing good things to help your game. i try to implement everything i read on these boards in to my game at some point. thanks for the info.

[Hyro]

I don't think this is a reteating SHDA...that would be running away, jumping and shooting two arrows towards your opponent behind you.

I think your talking about a wavebounce. Easiest way to do it is run in a direction, jump, press B + opposite direction. It's defintley not too hard to become useful, it's reeealy easy.

[iRjOn]

This is know all you have to do is just hold back after you shoot the frist arrow like retreating niar to bow cancel...

[Corpsecreate]

I don't think this is a reteating SHDA...that would be running away, jumping and shooting two arrows towards your opponent behind you.

I think your talking about a wavebounce. Easiest way to do it is run in a direction, jump, press B + opposite direction. It's defintley not too hard to become useful, it's reeealy easy.

It is NOT just a wavebounce, nor is it just a RARSHDA. It is a RAR combined with a wavebounce and the outcome of it is as follows.

If your running to the right initially then when performed correctly, you will be shooting arrows to the RIGHT while your character has a LEFT Momentum. This is a retreating SHDA, I will try to get you guys a video. If you think its easy to perform then your not doing it right :)

[Hyro]

By your description, it sounds like this will happen.

You will run up to your opponent, so your momentum will be towards your opponent, but when you jump to SHDA, you will go backwards, therefore retreating.

Ok, that would be a wavebounced SHDA. But since you don't want the arrow to be backwards, you would RAR to turn around. NOW I get it. So it would be a RAR Wavebounced SHDA. :) Lemme go try, sounds super hard.

[Hyro]

Okay, after trying for a long time, I RAR'ed then I wavebounced an arrow. Now, that's pretty easy. Getting the second arrow off seems nearly impossible. You would have to wavebounce immediatley after your shorthop which is quite hard. I've tried for even LONGER and I've manged to SHDA after a wavebounce ONCE, so it's DEFINITLEY possible. Now I'd have to combine both of these...which seems nearly impossible. I might be able to get it just once, but as for applying this? I wouldn't take the time to master it...the thing is, I don't see when I'd use it. I'd rather run away and SHDA or SHDA from a standing position.

TL;DR - Possible, but too much effort for too little reward.

For anyone wanting specific instructions, do this.

1. Go to training mode, and stand at the left edge. Put the computer at the right edge. Just get a good amount of space.

2. Now run to the right and shorthop, then press LEFT, B, RIGHT. In that order, VERY VERY VERY quickly.

3. This part is possible...the hard part is getting the arrow cancel off to make this an SHDA. You'd have to do step two IMMEDIATLEY after your jump.

EDIT: Okay, I've managed to do this twice. I got it captured in case anyone still needs to see it. Run, shorthop, left, b, right, b. *is exhausted* The name for this would be a wavebounced SHDA, not a retreating SHDA. When you wavebounce, retreating is implied.

[Corpsecreate]

I managed to do it about 5 times in a row, I will still try get that video up as soon as possible (sister has camera with her, i should have it in a little while).

[-Tempest-]

On topic: Now there's a variation of the SHDA? The original is hard enough. Oi.

Off topic: You can wavebounce neutral, side, and down B with TL, right?

[iRjOn]

On topic: Now there's a variation of the SHDA? The original is hard enough. Oi.

Off topic: You can wavebounce neutral, side, and down B with TL, right?
Yup sure can

[Corpsecreate]

cant do down b as far as i know

[-Tempest-]

Yup sure can

Cool. Now I know my wavebounced bomb pulls aren't just my imagination.

[oOJaseOo]

You can do wave bounced SHDA with bstick the hardest part is getting used to how you do neutral b with it but after that its pretty cool.

But for the retreating SHDA dont bother running toons di should be good enough just make sure the opp aint on your heels

[sasukebowser]

I'm gonna try this today and deliver results. =)

[Hyro]

I don't have bstick on so it's hard :(

I didn't know you could wavebounce bombs...how? And I know you can do boomerangs but I can't control it...I can only control arrows.

[-Tempest-]

Well, I have a tendancy to auto-wavebounce stuff, since I'm always on my B-Button. Of the three projectiles, bombs have the smallest window of opprotunity to wavebounce, but most of the time it's useless to do it. It's pretty scrawny as far as wavebounces go. It almost seems more like a momentum brake.

As for how, right as you leave the ground, input the command. It doesn't look like much, but it has its uses.

(Played a bit earlier with some friends and studied it. I guess I could still be wrong, but I dunno.)

[oOJaseOo]

I don't have bstick on so it's hard :(

I didn't know you could wavebounce bombs...how? And I know you can do boomerangs but I can't control it...I can only control arrows.

Just play around with it alot of things come out of the dash animation with bstick for example dash push oppisite direction on b stick you get a piviot jump or by tilting the b stick ever so slightly in any direction you can get an arrow but to get the wavebounce you need to be di'ing from the dash animation and holding the control stick the other way when you do the arrow once you have this down its still hard but not as hard as normal setup.

I acctually learnt how to use b stick from a lucas i know i dont know if they have a thread but might be worth checking out

[Corpsecreate]

I have uploaded a video of it and it can be seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfKr_GMLyk&fmt=18). The quality isnt the greatest but hopefully its good enough.

[iRjOn]

Nice vid
Now peole should get what you mean by this.
I swear I thought everyone knew about this...
Oh well
Gratz man.
:]

[TLMarth]

OMG that's actually the SMS SHDA.

Well not exactly, because this one you RAR then wavebounce which takes two presses of the joystick, and in SMS you just do two presses of the joystick.

But this one's effect is more pronounced than SMS's.

[urdailywater]

This is already known from what I understand (and from seeing your video).

edit: Except I didn't knwo about the one where you're shooting arrows from behind you while still looking the opposite direction.

I'll try it out some.

[Rawrness]

This is already known from what I understand (and from seeing your video).

edit: Except I didn't knwo about the one where you're shooting arrows from behind you while still looking the opposite direction.

I'll try it out some.

That's BattleChrists's arrow trick. Idk how to do it.

[sasukebowser]

Omg that looks amazing.

I love you Corpsecreate.
<3


*gets on Wii to practice*

[TLMarth]

Battle Christ's arrow trick is just pressing the direction you want straight after pressing B.

[Hyro]

That's BattleChrists's arrow trick. Idk how to do it.

That's BattleChrists's arrow trick. Idk how to do it.

Yeah everyone is right, the Wavebounce SHDA is already known just not used.

The thing is...you STILL showed us something new in your vid...

Battlechrist's tech makes you shoot an arrow one way and turn the other...but you stayed the same direction while still shooting an arrow backwards...that's kinda amazing. :dizzy:

[Corpsecreate]

the Wavebounce SHDA isnt the 'new' thing I was trying to show. It was the retreating SHDA. I found out yesterday that there is another way to do retreating B attacks with any character although it is performed slightly different, although my method as explained in this thread is easier (in my opinion) and the effect is greater.

[Vlade]

^ I agree with this

As a falco mainer I have tried corpse's method and the retreating effect is greater than when you do the standard retreating wavebounce.

[Artmastercorey]

im still alittle lost guys...The final part on the video, im still not sure what u are doing to make him pop back all of a suddenly like that after running forward. Is it the wavebounce? Maybe thats what im not understanding cuz i cant seem to do it lol

[Alzi]

I do these by accident but never have done it in a retreating way. Nice find this is good for spacing.

[Artmastercorey]

So how exactly do u wavebounce, i checked out some topics on it but are u really just pressing opposite direction after u press b? It doesnt seem to work for me

[Corpsecreate]

Yes you push the opposite direction almost immediatley after you push B.

[TLMSheikant]

Yep requires timing but its really not hard once u get used to it. Just push b and then the opposite side quickly (not at the same time but almost).

[Santi]

I really like this and I had no prior knowledge of this.
Thank ya :)

[ZeroXMachine]

Nice video. I was mistaken by what you meant earlier. This is a nice find.

This is a little off-topic, but I was just wondering if wave-bouncing can cancel momentum to regain DI? Anyone know if that's been tested?

[SmokeyBBQ]

This seems really useful. =D But hard to do.

I usually wavebounce when I press side and B when I wanna throw a Rang in the air...Good find.

[Artmastercorey]

Yes you push the opposite direction almost immediatley after you push B.

so can i stand in place facing left jump straight up, press b and press right?

[Ashraf23]

whao that looks pretty cool man. Im going to try to learn that and apply it, looks like it could be real useful.