thoughts on fair- the knee

[The_Krumber]

my friend thinks that falcon would suck without his knee. any thoughts?

[FalseFalco]

"KNEE OF JUSTICE!" falcon would still be cool just not AS cool. "JUSTICE IS SERVED!"

[Glide]

Outside of the knee, he'd still have his b-air which isn't nearly as powerful, but has better priority and duration. He'd still be decent, but definitely not as good as he is right now. As it stands, CF is the second best punishment based character there is, coming in just after Ganon. Without it he'd play more of a hit and run type game; like a watered down fox with only two or three good attacks: U-air, d-air, and b-air.

[_Schills_]

^ Since when is n-air not good. It follows up d-trow very well and is a good approach against smaller and faster-falling charachthers. Well that's my opinion anyway Im in no way a falcon player but I observe my friend who is. And if you can prove me wrong (quite possible) please go ahead i like constructive critisisim. But anyway on subject, obviously he wouldn't be close to as good without the knee. It would take away one of his biggest advantages over other characthers that advantage being well placed knees on stages with platforms. I personally think the biggest marth counter against marth is captain falcon on pokemon stadium. But then again all this is just my opinion.

[DYC]

The nair is one of captain's best moves, it leads into a grab at any % as long as only the first kick connects and when both hit it leads into his other punishers, including the knee. But honestly you cannot say whether captain would suck or not without the knee because you have no idea what they would replace it with, he could have gotten anything to replace it.

[thedocsalive]

yeah the knee is really one of CF's most important moves, unless you play against ppl dumb enough to walk into his smash attacks or falcon punch all the time...

however, his up B can actually be used as a finisher i think if the opponent is at high enough damage. if nothing else it can send them pretty far off the edge

[DYC]

anyone who uses up B as a finisher needs to play someone else. all his aerials can be finishers. ALL of them.

[SABERinBLUE]

Originally posted by DYC
anyone who uses up B as a finisher needs to play someone else. all his aerials can be finishers. ALL of them.

Well, why not use his up B as one? It gives you another option, at least.

[DYC]

because its terrible.

[The_Krumber]

Originally posted by SABERinBLUE
Well, why not use his up B as one? It gives you another option, at least.
it really has no use whatsoever, or so i've found.

[Zarelid]

this is a stupid topic I mean asking if Falcon wouldn't be good without the knee, well it's commonsense to see that he wouldn't be AS good as he si without the knee. but if your saying that he would be worthless without the knee, uuh no he wouldn't be. you still have to take in his weight his speed his range etc... with one tactic removed from a HIGH tier character won't make that character worthless.

[DYC]

also like i said before. you can't even make assumptions about how good he would be because if he didnt have the knee it wouldnt be like he was WITHOUT a fair. He would have something else to replace it and for all we know it could have even been better.

[Krazy]

Originally posted by DYC
because its terrible.

Please name any other move CF has that outprioritizes every aerial attack that could be thrown at you. I'm waiting.......

Face it, if someone uses the Up-B on you I guarentee you didn't see it coming. And yes at or around 100% it will kill or make room for the edgehog. Oh, and guess what, you get to yell "YESSS!!!!!!!!11" after it hits.

[Thomas Tipman]

why yell? when i play and i catch my opponent with a falcon puch i say "OOOT-OOOT" and i punch them in the face. my falcons so hard core my friends are scared to play him.

sorry for the spam i couldnt contain myself, fair owns and uair and bair are decent replacements but they will never be able to take the place of the knee.

[Neophos]

Falcon was good in SSB without the knee >_>

He had better combos at that time, though <_<

And could combo into Punch <_>

[Zarelid]

up air beats alot of air moves lol and less of risk then up B DUUUUH

[Volroth]

What was Falcon's f-air in SSB? I don't remember. I liked his old set of moves, perhaps they could switch it back so people won't complain about the similarities between Ganon. Falcon's SSB up smash was much better than it is now, and his foward smash kick was just plain kick arse. If I also remember his n-air was a sex kick back then.

Falcon would be definately worse with the knee but not bad enough to not be tournament type material. I think if you took away Sheik's foward air and changed her grabs that would do a whole lot more.

[WarriorKnight]

In SSB Falcons N-air was a sex kick, at first i hated all of falcon's moves except the knee. But now i would'nt change his moves back to the n64 moves for anything, they have more priority. His new n-air move racks up a lot of damage, and makes combos. I still prefer Ganon though

[Crippler]

CF without his Knee (with a capital K, yes) would still be a high tier character, since his speed, weight and other air moves are good. I'd say the only problem is that without his Knee, he lacks a finishing move, especially after throws

[Crippler]

By the way, I believe CF's fair in SSB was a double kick, just like his nair now

[The_Krumber]

what i've found is that, while playing falcon, if you play him right, you can kill ppl with combos starting at 40%

when the combo ends with the knee, it sets up for an easy edgehog, and you can combo knees into knees :P

if he didn't have his knee, it seems like he wouldn't be able to kill the opponent as fast