Link AIR Marth

[TANORI]

whos better on the air?
and why you think that?


sorry for the grammar

[Aiser]

Marth has a way better air game then Link does in my opinion. his arial moves are just over all better especially with tipper =\

[8000]

You could've waited until i posted here before asking me on msn :p

Compare Marth's Uair, Bair, and Dair to Link's. Link has a far better Bair and Uair then Marth. Marth's Dair is designed to spike while Link's is designed to KO. It depends on your playing style and the way you look at it. In some situations Link's Fair can prove more beneficial than Marths but in most, Marth's fair reigns supreme.

Marth's Nair is better than Link's, he has one of, if not the best Nair in the game.

Overall, Link has better range then Marth but in some cases Marth's aerials have better priority. I feel Link's aerials are better than Marth but that is only my opinion from what i could get from the facts.

In some situations Marth's are better than Links and vice-versa. Overall, i think Link's can be better if you know how to use it.

[Radnortuws]

Wait, what? Link's aerials do not have more range than marths. Play against a good marth, get spiked out of your uair, and then tell me Link has better range. Now dont get me wrong, Link's aerials are good, but some of these interpretations are way too sketchy. Link's nair is one of his best moves. Period. Exclamation point. Marths nair requires some measure of placement to hit, much less with both hits. Any link player can pop a nair out of nowhere and somehow hit the opponent. I'd have to give Link the nair advantage. Now, if were only considering the aerials, i think Marths win. He has so much range its sick, plus they have great priority. Links aerials are good, but are best when combined with his other attacks because if you miss an aerial with Link, you might not be able to recover fast enough to avoid the pain. Combined with his projectiles Link's aerials are great, but on their own I'll have to disagree 8000, im giving the nod to Marth.

[8000]

Link outranges Marth in every aerial except Fair.

[TANORI]

link´s uair is the best uair in the game and it has higer priority than any dair.

[NeoNXToshiro]

Link's u-air and d-air are both high priority.

b-air and n-air are good for setting up combos involving dashing, SHFFLing and some WDing to more n-air, b-air. f-air can be added to that as well.

Link's d-air is just amazing, it feels so good to KO with it. It's also high priority.

Nonetheless, Link is on the slower side, gotta be careful.

[DK-5]

Marth´s U-AIR is MUCH more spammable then Link´s, Link´s D-air is MUCH more spammable than Marth´s...they both have extremely powerful attacks on their side...sooo...i´m going to have to say that it all comes down to lag time and the punishment that comes with it, and in that category Link loses...BUT, link does have the ability to use projectiles at his advantage...i don´t know about other link players but i love to use bombs to set up combos especcially if the opponent is in the air...I´ll be the judge, u decide!

[NeoNXToshiro]

Yup, bombs are awesome for SHFFL f-air/n-air combo setups.

What I like to do with bombs is a little unorthodox but it works sometimes for me.

When I can't shieldgrab or I'm stuck close to my opponent with a bomb in my hand, I like to either fulljump or short-hop(depending on whether it's a fast faller or not) and drop the bomb at the moment of the jump on them. While they are in that lag, I like to double jump and come down with a beautiful d-air, many times getting the KO. The bomb lag propels them just a little higher to give a better chance for a sky KO.

And it just looks awesome.

[blaksheap82]

This thread is about aerials, not bomb tactics, there's already one of those.

I have to agree with Rad the most, except for what he said about Link's nair. Marth's and Link's nairs I think are just for different purposes, as in Marth's is faster, so you can't get shieldgrabbed as easily, better for a surprise attack, mindgame; but Link's is better for edgeguarding for the same reasons it's not good for what Marth's nair is. They're just apples and oranges. What DK-5 said about lag time is also a huge factor. 8000 said that Link outranges Marth with everthing except the fair (that sounds a bit iffy regarding the dair, though), but even if that's true, just that one aerial gives Marth enough of an edge. So I'll have to say Marth wins by a tipper.

[NeoNXToshiro]

Ahem, I was talking about an aerial.

An aerial setup using a bomb.

Link's n-air is good for stopping waveshine happy Foxes and other aggressive opponents, his foot stays out there for a good amount of time to disrupt most advances and give you some time to breathe or follow up with an advance of your own.

[8000]

There is no way in hell that Marth's Uair is better than Link's. Watch any professional vids. How many Marth's spam the Uair. I have a collection of Ken vs. Isai vids and the Fair or even Nair is used more than Uair.

Link's Uair is one of the most used moves that end combos or give that huge knockback at higher percentages. It's the best Uair in the game. Sure it lags but if you hit you get enough knockback to recover in time.

[NeoNXToshiro]

Well said.

U-air has gotten me many matchsaving KOs.

[8000]

Tanori, you should make a poll now :)

[Link-NY]

In my opinion i think marth has more range then marth then agine it does take long for Link to swing that sword in mid-air but i think Link would be the superior one, in a desperate situation if link does not have the time to catch marht with any of his aerials then i would use his hook shot in a last attempt to stop any punishment

[Dice]

Overall marth's aerial game > Link's, end of story.

[8000]

Oh what a great point you've made. Everyone clap at that marvelous stroke of genious. Simply stunning how utterly birlliant this man is. Give him the ****ing nobel prize for look at all the effort he took to get that point across. Bravo.....bravo.

[CaliburChamp]

Marth can do a bunch of aerials attacks in the air like 4- or 5, while Link can only do 1 or 2 aerials in the air (b-air and n-air wont outrange marth aerial attks.) Plus Marth is more floaty, Thats what makes Marth much more controlling in the air. Link doesnt control the air so well like Marth. Simple.

[Dice]

Oh what a great point you've made. Everyone clap at that marvelous stroke of genious. Simply stunning how utterly birlliant this man is. Give him the ****ing nobel prize for look at all the effort he took to get that point across. Bravo.....bravo.


make your way down to Ottawa and the 2 marths in my crew will show you exactly how math's aerial game works. Oh and congrats on being funny on teh internets.

[NeoNXToshiro]

I'm pretty sure we all know how Marth's aerial game works.

At least, it should be well known.

[8000]

Marth can do a bunch of aerials attacks in the air like 4- or 5, while Link can only do 1 or 2 aerials in the air (b-air and n-air wont outrange marth aerial attks.) Plus Marth is more floaty, Thats what makes Marth much more controlling in the air. Link doesnt control the air so well like Marth. Simple.

At least there are some good points. You can't just post Marth is better than Link in the air without saying why. That's just stupid Dice.

On the opposite side, Marths Uair and Bair don't have that many oppurtunities to be used as much as his Nair or Fair. The Dair should only be used for spiking and if Link uses a Uair it will hit Marth before his Dair hits Link. Granted Marth's Dair is normally used on a stunned Link to spike him below the stage you can counter it if you can still move. Marth's Fair can't really be argued it's one of the best. I'm not sure how the Nairs match up against one another but i'm fairly certain that Marth's can overprioritize Links. Marth's Bair lasts for a short time, like Samus' it has it's uses but Link can use any of his aerials to hit Marth before his bair does any damage. Marth's Uair is nothing when Link uses a Dair.

Yes Marth can control more opponents in the air but that comes with far more variables involved than the origional question asked. I think Link has a better aerial game than Marth for the reasons i've already mentioned in this thread. Link isn't meant to control others in the air, he is meant to gain distance between himself and use moves linked together with chainthrowing and all that jazz to rack up damage and K.O. Marth can K.O. With the tipper and spikes. Link's spikes are harder to execute than Marth's. I didn't come here to do a tier debate because obviously Marth is a better character.

My main point is that Link is not meant for air controling. Marth is but that is because he is floaty, he has a miraculous jump, regardless of aerial attacks his Dancing Blade can assist him in the air than Link. Marth has one of the best aerial games in the game...BUT Link can take on Marth in the air and win. Link can beat Marth in the air because most of Link's aerials can beat Marths. With the exception of Fair and Marth's Dancing Blade Link can overpower Marth in the air.


Dice, why is it that people always threaten me when they know i won't be playing them.

I won't be going to Ottawa, i have better things to do with my time then play out of Province. Why don't you come down to Scarborough in March instead and see if your "threat" still holds meaning.

Oh and thank you, being funny is nice :)

[Dice]

I won't be going to Ottawa, i have better things to do with my time then play out of Province. Why don't you come down to Scarborough in March instead and see if your "threat" still holds meaning

oh, we'll be coming down for sure. Not to talk down to you but I read that you got 3 stocked by pkm twice in a link ditto? Now I'm not one for trashtalking or anything but I managed to beat his falco once and get his falcon down to one stock in a ditto (even if pkm may have been sandbagging a bit...)

[8000]

Yeah the controller i was using had coke spilled all over it so the buttons stuck. He basically just used a Dair over and over again and i couldn't shield it cuz the button was stuck. I'll have my own controller at the trans-canada tourny though so i'd like to ditto him again and he'll see the difference as will all of you.

*shakes fist*

[NeoNXToshiro]

Alrighty Dice.

Let's see..

What has 8000 done in the smash community?

Read the Link/Young Link topic forum. I'm sure you'll find 8000's Link Guide. Ya know, a guide to help out aspiring Link players.

What have you done for the smash community?

From what I've seen, nothing besides take up forum space by posting nonsense.

You don't have a reputation, so shush.

[Dice]

Someone has a fanboy, I have done nothing for the community because I don't have time in my life right now to post in every thread and to make guides. And of course because I don't do anything for the community I must suck at smash right?

And I do have somewhat of a reputation in my smash community, but you assume I don't?

[8000]

It's like that for everyone. Pkmvodka doesn't get the praise he deserves and that's only because he never posts anything of benefit for other players. He just checks out tournaments and stuff when people who've played him know he might be one of the best in Canada. People who don't know him just look at him like a no-name. The same will be said to everyone unless you do something that benefits the entire smash community.

ie. making a guide, making a vid such as linkology etc.

Unless you do something like that you'll never have a great reputation no matter what type of player you are.

[NeoNXToshiro]

No one said you sucked at smash. You came here badmouthing 8000 about how he got 3 stocked by pkm. Alright, so big deal. Everyone gets beat sometimes. And I do believe that a sticky controller with a crappy button is a valid john, despite pkm being a very good player.. but I won't get into that.

Not only that, you continued to bad mouth him implicitly by saying :
Now I'm not one for trashtalking or anything but I managed to beat his falco once and get his falcon down to one stock in a ditto (even if pkm may have been sandbagging a bit...)

And please excuse my choice of words, but I meant to say you don't have much a reputation in this subforum (Link/YoungLink) but 8000 has contributed greatly to it and I find it more than a little messed up to come here and badmouth him after he pointed out your pointless post.

I do not want a flame war, I come to this forum to discuss smash and to this particular subforum to discuss my main, Link. I'm sure we're all here for that.

My apologies.

[Gea]

Unless of course you are one of the best around. Like Eddie's Ganon, DarkRain's Falcon, Isai/Ken/Azen/ChuDat/Kentarosu/Jack etc.

But what you say is true... just not always.

[Dice]

but pkm does have a good reputation with the people in EC, and even by some american smashers. That jv3x3 guy said some pretty good things about him after playing him, so pkm's name does get around. Eventually pkm will get the praise he deserves, we'll have to be sneaky and tape him at the trans canada tourny and put them up on the net.

[Locke)]

If you took away all attacks other than aerials, meaning all b-moves and land attacks, and take away strategies, I mean have both link and marth just lunge at eachother and use only aerials, I believe marth will come out on top. His fair will beat anything coming at him from his front, his bair would protect his back if spaced properly, and marth will not let link get on top of him to use a dair. I can't think what link would do. Marth would win an aerial battle.

Now 8000 you said earlier that marth was designed for air control, so you'd think he would have crazy aerials to be able to do that, and he does.

You also mentioned that you didn't see Ken use any uairs against isai. His uair is situational, as even a tipped uair on falcon would send him no where and marth would get punished. But at a reasonable percent the uair can juggle very well. Also on semi-floaties his uair can juggle better than link IMO.

His nair is fast, combo-able and near impossible to penetrate. Link's is effective for edgeguarding but thats about it at lower percents.

But link's dair is better, ill that to him.

Overall I believe Marth wins as 4 out of 5 of his aerials are superior.

Oh and not to mention the disjointed hitbox Marth has going for him. Anyways pick this apart while I go eat supper.

[Dice]

lots and lots of talking...

I know I bad mouthed him, I even stated that I was trash talking when I said that.

And I have zero, read that ZERO rep in this forum. I just started playing link 3 days ago, my first post in this thread was my first post in this forum. I never said I had any rep in this forum, I know I don't. So thanks for stating the obvious.

8000 - Sorry for bad mouthing you and my post was a little useless I guess, I was just too lazy to state the reasons, Locke) did that for me anyways :P We must play at the march tourny, I'll be training my new link for a ditto!

NeoNX.. - Smash community is not just these forums, it is also in RL, so in the EC smash community I have somewhat (not much) of a reputation. I'm done argueing about nonsense to you.

[Locke)]

We in Kanata Ontario(Canada) are peace loving smashers. We mean no disrespect =D My buddy Dice is just venting some grade 12 chemistry frustration.

[NeoNXToshiro]

No worries over here.

[8000]

Now 8000 you said earlier that marth was designed for air control, so you'd think he would have crazy aerials to be able to do that, and he does.

You also mentioned that you didn't see Ken use any uairs against isai. His uair is situational

His nair is fast, combo-able and near impossible to penetrate. Link's is effective for edgeguarding but thats about it at lower percents.



1.) Calibur Champ origionally posted that.

2.) Yes Marth has great aerials but i feel that Link's have more uses. Marth's main strength in the air is his Fair, Link's aerials are all strong and all can be used in any such situation whereas you even said, Marth's are situational.

3.) It has less of an accuracy point than Link, Link's also has more range involved and it is held for longer so SHFFLs can be done more precisely.

4.) Link's Uair can be used at any time, the same with Dair, Nair, Fair, and Bair. All of Link's aerials are not situational. You can use practically all of them whenever you want while Marth's least situational aerial is Fair.


I don't care about any badmouthing, i've been getting a lot of it recently and i don't think biasdly just because you have "no-rep" I already mentioned pkmvodka and why...

Looking forward to dittos.

[Dice]

8000, I honestly don't think Link can just randomly use a dair whenever he wants same with up air... even when l cancel they are quite laggy. IMO Link's dair and uair need to be comboed into, or hit with surprise. You can just run up to a person and Dair them and expect not to be punished, but you can run up to someone and nair them and not be punished if played smartly.

And if you want to see the usefullness of marth's upair then go watch NEO's marth. He owns space animals with up airs.

[8000]

Look at how Uairs and Dairs are used for Marth, now compare that to how Link uses them. That's what i'm trying to say. OF course you can't just do random Dairs and hope to win. (unless your controller is sticky) :laugh:

Just compared to Marth's Link's U and Dairs can be used at almost any time. The oppurutnities are diffferent. Pretty much everyone follows an Uthrow with Link with a Uair. Dair's are so commonly used it's like one of Link's most famed attacks. Although literally you can't just use them all the time. But the ammount of times they are used are so ridiculous that it seems like you could just use them whenever you want.

[Dice]

lmao @ sticky controller comment. I see what you mean but I can say the same for marth's fair vs link's fair. Marth's fair is commonly used, his most used aerial move for every marth player. While link's fair is obviously good and it is used, it just doesn't compare to marth's fair. And I can say the same thing for the nair IMO.

Now, I have nothing at all against Link, I'm trying to make him my secondary character, I just believe that marth has an overall superior aerial game than link's. But I am in no way saying that link's aerial game is crappy.

[8000]

Yes Marth's Fair is argueably the best in the game. Link's doesn't compare and is overused. I get a lot of people asking me to rank their Links. Everyone uses Fair SHFFL and sure it works but it can be easily overprioritized by a lot of characters tilts.

Hey everyone is entitled to their opinions but i believbe strongly if you read this thread carefully you will see that Link has 3 out of 4 superior aerial attacks than Marth. That is why i firmly believe that Link's aerial game is better than Marth's.

[blaksheap82]

Marth's and Link's nairs I think are just for different purposes, as in Marth's is faster, so you can't get shieldgrabbed as easily, better for a surprise attack, mindgame; but Link's is better for edgeguarding for the same reasons it's not good for what Marth's nair is. They're just apples and oranges.

BTW, I think there should be a poll on this now, also, even if 8000 was being facetious. I just want to see want the general concensus is (not that that ever proves anything).

[8000]

I have a feeling Marth would win but if you serioulsy consider what i've said i think Link is a better choice :lick: