Confirmed Character discussion

[dan smith]

In response to the post about Master Hand and the possible inclusion of a new boss, I think both hands will return as well as maybe some feet or a head. The hands are of course the incarnations of the real world in interaction with the Nintendo lands of video game fiction, they're the basis of the rarely discussed SSB plot. I would also like character specific bossed for adventure mode though.

Snake...was a suprise, but, I'm getting used to it.

Metaknight, Pit, Wario...not exactely suprising...but cool.

Zamus, somewhat unnescasary? I hope it's a costume, for simplicity's sake.

Those stages look beautiful, the characters are remarkably similar to Melee, and I don't think the super moves are going to be a huge deal...if they're usable.

Most of all, I'm glad the controller's staying.

Well, back to waiting. I wonder how many of my other character choices will be included. I can't wait to see Ness. I hope the characters are more balanced this time around.

[Gonzales]

Zero Suit Samus does seem kind of stupid.

Could Snake's box be his shield? Kind of like Yoshi's egg. Just speculating....

[Shy Guy]

Chalk up another character for confirmed, Samus has her own artwork.

My friend Vaztor found these:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/JillSandwhich/RVL_SMB_Samus_00.jpg

More art:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/JillSandwhich/RVL_SMB_SZerosuit_00.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/JillSandwhich/RVL_SMB_Snake_00.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/JillSandwhich/RVL_SMB_Metaknight_00.jpg

Enjoy.

[killafox]

IMO i like the zs samus. cant wait for this game!

[Soanevalck]

how can any of you think Zero Samus is a lame char choice?

if anything, she'll probably be the most overplayed

because even without her suit, she's still samus, and because she has no suit

[Vaztor]

Thanks for crediting me Shyguy XD

I Don't think there is much that needs to be said about Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

It speaks for itself.

In other words

Say goodbye to your Social life

[beckhamisaqueer]

Am I the only one that is a little disappointed in the new characters? I hate to spoil this day, but we were shown five (?), and I am only excited about 2. I wanted new characters, not more variations. And I'd rather there be no Snake. I mean, he isn't even a Nintendo character. I don't want smash to be like every other fighter out there, part of the fun was the cartoony characters. It was just fitting.

However, Pit and Wario look like good characters. I have faith in Nintendo to make a great game.

[McFox]

Yes, you are the only one who is disappointed.

Lighten up, please.

[Tyson651]

man, the introduction of snake was so crazy.

that was so smooth.

[Jon C]

Am I the only one that is a little disappointed in the new characters? I hate to spoil this day, but we were shown five (?), and I am only excited about 2. I wanted new characters, not more variations. And I'd rather there be no Snake. I mean, he isn't even a Nintendo character. I don't want smash to be like every other fighter out there, part of the fun was the cartoony characters. It was just fitting.

However, Pit and Wario look like good characters. I have faith in Nintendo to make a great game.

wtf do u mean snake isent a nintendo char hello metal gear1 + 2 ring a bell?

[Kereokacola]

Since the feel of the game is looking more mature and less of a cartoon-based art, Game & Watch almost has no chance of returning. I am just observing what I see, and I may be wrong, but I've almost developed a theory on how this game is going to work.

I think they are going to balance each character out and the developers will make sure that every character is special in their own way, and no character is far more better than any other. I can almost sense that there will be less characters this time around. I hope I am wrong, but I've also observed other games to take these types of measures.

Look at Super Mario Strikers. You only had a handful of choices to pick from, and the saying goes also for Mario Tennis on the GameCube, where they downgraded and got rid of a lot of characters (I.E. Toad, Birdo, etc.)

I truly think they will get rid of the clones, and stick to main-stream Nintendo characters, as well as big third-party names like Snake, Sonic and Mega Man, and sigh, yes, Pac-Man. I seriously think it's going to be a popularity contest.

[ender]

i heard snake kills himself if he ever looses a match due to his mission objective, during the "this games winner" screen. so you only get 1 snake per disc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/ender81/snakedeath.jpg

[Xmen4ever]

I like all of the new characters! Personally, I will probably use Pit and Zero Suit Samus the most, as new characters.

[Armygeddon Bomb]

I wonder how Wario will be, and if Bowser is coming back.

[McFox]

Since the feel of the game is looking more mature and less of a cartoon-based art, Game & Watch almost has no chance of returning. I am just observing what I see, and I may be wrong, but I've almost developed a theory on how this game is going to work.

I think they are going to balance each character out and the developers will make sure that every character is special in their own way, and no character is far more better than any other. I can almost sense that there will be less characters this time around. I hope I am wrong, but I've also observed other games to take these types of measures.

Look at Super Mario Strikers. You only had a handful of choices to pick from, and the saying goes also for Mario Tennis on the GameCube, where they downgraded and got rid of a lot of characters (I.E. Toad, Birdo, etc.)

I truly think they will get rid of the clones, and stick to main-stream Nintendo characters, as well as big third-party names like Snake, Sonic and Mega Man, and sigh, yes, Pac-Man. I seriously think it's going to be a popularity contest.

That's ridiculous. Less characters? Don't be silly.

Of course Game and Watch can fit in this game. How is Kirby less cartoony than Game and Watch?

Mario Strikers, while PUBLISHED by Nintendo, was developed by Next Level Games, who did Sega Soccer Slam. The game was not created in-house by Nintendo like Brawl is being.

There's no basis at all for thinking there will be less characters, besides your fictional "sense." Maybe other games have taken these kinds of measures, but you have to remember that this is Nintendo. The developers have played the game more than 10,000 times. Having played it more than 10,000 times, the developers know that one of the things that makes this game special is that the characters are so varied, and that everyone has their favorite. I could see them getting rid of clone movesets, but not even the clones themselves.

And the style of the game isn't necessarily "more mature." It's simply a graphical update. Yes, Twilight Princess Link and Snake look very realistic. At the same time, Mario, Kirby, Pikachu, and Metaknight all look very cartoony.

So yeah, unless you have any kind of actual basis for these strange claims besides "I think," or "I sense," I'm going to have to disagree. With the developers having played the game 10,000+ times, they'll know exactly what changes characters need to make them fun. None of the characters need to be removed.

[henryfish]

Hello all! First post!

Anyway, does anyone here have access to IGN's private site areas? Because on other boards they are stating that IGN has announced an exclusive in which four new charachters were confirmed: Aiai (Monkey Ball), Viewtiful Joe (Viewtiful Joe), Captain Omar (Pikmin) and Waluigi (Lots of Mario Sports Games).

But I can't seem to find this information anywhere, including the IGN main page.

So yea, cool news if true?

[Reik]

LOL it looks like Kirby still has his horribly useless N-air. First thing he did in the trailer was get outprioritized.

Metaknight looks so cool, but all that hitlag is going to make it hard to fastfall L-cancel. And I hope for balance's sake that his D-air isn't a spike/meteor. Fast and almost lagless.
Oh, can anyone guess what the first move that MK used was? It was a ground-multihit against Mario done out of a run. I'm going to guess it was Forward B.

Pit is an awesome addition but his aerials looked like they had kinda low priority.

[McFox]

Don't believe anything anyone posts on a forum "claiming" to have found it somewhere else without backing it up.

I have IGN Insider, and I don't see that anywhere.

Don't expect to get any new information for a while.

[henryfish]

Don't believe anything anyone posts on a forum "claiming" to have found it somewhere else without backing it up.

I have IGN Insider, and I don't see that anywhere.

Don't expect to get any new information for a while.


Fair enough, and is also why I was asking.

In any case, this game, and the confirmed new characters, look amazing. I can't wait.

[beefbutcher88]

I see some moves from SSBM are intact. I saw Mario still has fireballs and his dsmash and usmash. Kirby still has the hammer. Pika's up-b is still there. Link still has sword plant. I miss anything?
EDIT: I think I also remember seeing Link an arrow.

[RPK]

but his diar doesnt bounce anymore T_T

[Office_Shredder]

LOL it looks like Kirby still has his horribly useless N-air. First thing he did in the trailer was get outprioritized.

Oh ****..... this got me laughing out loud for a good minute. I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention to the kirby ownage :laugh:


Metaknight looks so cool, but all that hitlag is going to make it hard to fastfall L-cancel.

? I don't quite think I see your point here.

And I hope for balance's sake that his D-air isn't a spike/meteor. Fast and almost lagless.

I suspect the range on his d-air is terrible. Notice how his sword barely gets past his body? His body just moves up to compensate (althoughhe could have jumped up and done a d-air)

Sounds like...
Oh, can anyone guess what the first move that MK used was? It was a ground-multihit against Mario done out of a run. I'm going to guess it was Forward B.

I thought it was basic A actually. I'm not sure he didn't stop running first

Pit is an awesome addition but his aerials looked like they had kinda low priority.

Didn't seem that way to me really....... it's kind of tough to tell, since he is swinging a sword.

On shielding: when metaknight blocks pit's arrow, do you think that's his shield, or a special reflector? They may be focusing more on making shielding distinct for each character in this version (I don't recall seeing a lot of it either way)

Some other notes: At the end, link doesn't charge his arrow to shoot. Definitely makes his bow better.

Kirby's recovery out of his rock is a lot faster at the end

Mario's upsmash is pretty fast too.

It looks like they game just picked up in speed in general

[freeman123]

I don't know why Samus is listed as "semi-confirmed". She was shown in the trailer.

[McFox]

Because no gameplay was shown of her. They simply showed her transforming into Zamus.

That said, I didn't make the list, and I'd probably put Samus on confirmed too. :P

I see some moves from SSBM are intact. I saw Mario still has fireballs and his dsmash and usmash. Kirby still has the hammer. Pika's up-b is still there. Link still has sword plant. I miss anything?
EDIT: I think I also remember seeing Link an arrow.

Kirby's Final Cutter was there as well.

[Kereokacola]

Here's a little deal I made up just now. I'll re-edit it any time there is any mention of new characters.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i247/kereokacola/ssbb.png

[Reik]

? I don't quite think I see your point here. You can't start a fastfall during hitlag. If you try to fastfall and don't get it, you might screw up your L-cancel timing. It happens to me a lot actually. >_>

I thought it was basic A actually. I'm not sure he didn't stop running first I thought it looked like the neutral A combo too, but the only way he could have done that out of a dash was if he Dash-cancelled. The problem with that is that he was on a platform so I think he should have fallen through.

Didn't seem that way to me really....... it's kind of tough to tell, since he is swinging a sword.Meh, can't really tell for sure.

At the end, link doesn't charge his arrow to shoot. Definitely makes his bow better. Yes he does. He fulljumps backward and double jumps above the screen, where he was probably charging it. His bow was already pulled back when he came back on screen.

[Office_Shredder]

You can't start a fastfall during hitlag. If you try to fastfall and don't get it, you might screw up your L-cancel timing. It happens to me a lot actually. >_>

I see what you're saying. That could be a balance factor, although it would probably be easy enough to get used to

I thought it looked like the neutral A combo too, but the only way he could have done that out of a dash was if he Dash-cancelled. The problem with that is that he was on a platform so I think he should have fallen through.

The other thing is that a lot of his moves look the same (possibly?). Maybe he dash attacked into basic A.


Yes he does. He fulljumps backward and double jumps above the screen, where he was probably charging it. His bow was already pulled back when he came back on screen.

Good catch. However, that still leaves his bow charge up time as much smaller than in melee.

[Deus]

Dude, Sephiroth would be the ultimate character of destruction there. Now the reality check is, there will be no FF characters, still though, it'd be sweet. I don't see why Sonic hasn't been announced yet, I mean come on! The furr-ball fits right in.

I don't how Sephiroth could be in the game and not be completely broken. His sword is like the freaking length of FD, it would be impossible unless they totally gimp his sword.

[Wak]

Good catch. However, that still leaves his bow charge up time as much smaller than in melee.

link doesn't fully charge his bow at the end

[Falco&Victory]

I must say,i am quite looking forward to using metaknight.He has a great neutral A,a close hit range,speed,control,and low priority.I love that in a character,which is why i use falco.Even though has a high priority(i don't know why i hate that,probably just don't want to live if i can't b**ch combo my enemy),he is much more controlable than fox.I also wanna use snake,being such a great fan of the series.I hope they have sonic.

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Really annoying.

[Angrylobster]

You can't start a fastfall during hitlag. If you try to fastfall and don't get it, you might screw up your L-cancel timing. It happens to me a lot actually. >_>

I thought it looked like the neutral A combo too, but the only way he could have done that out of a dash was if he Dash-cancelled. The problem with that is that he was on a platform so I think he should have fallen through.

EDIT:

on second thought, i'm guessing its a type of forward b combo. Think of Marths >b combo out of dash dance, looks alot like this.

[Dr.Mario87]

What game is Pit from?

[Dark_Ness]

Dr. Mario 87, Pit's from Kid Icarus.

Speaking of whom, he'll be one of my mains without a doubt. He kicks too much anus not to be. :p

[VgtPrncfllSyns]

I'm really torn between goin oldschool with a fav from this game or goin new.

I really wanna play the new Samus and Pit.

[Scav]

I don't know why Samus is listed as "semi-confirmed". She was shown in the trailer.

The list is a work on progress, and depends entirely on the amount of information available in the next few months.

But, as I stated before (and will repost in the original post), I don't have samus as confirmed because I don't want to talk about Samus in this thread. This topic is for the discussion of characters we have, 100% beyond a doubt, confirmed. Samus, while pretty much guaranteed, has not been confirmed.

That said, discussion about semi-confirmed is ok. Just remember that we have a lot less information (pretty much consisting of her super move.)

[tmw_redcell]

My friend is so psyched about Snake. I think Metaknight looks fun to play as, I'll definitely use him if he doesn't suck. As for Wario, I just hate him in general. His nose isn't the same colour as the rest of his face, and he farts. I would also cite the fart move as evidence that the game is not so into the serious atmosphere that they would cut out any characters to maintain it. Plus it would make me sad if they did. Unless they just cut out Peach and Jigglypuff, just to piss of my friend who loves them. Or maybe they should just be bottom tier.

[Nwordtim]

They better have snake in the god Teir and Meta Knight like in jesus OMFG NINJA WHAT tier lol jk that would be teh sucks

[McCloud]

I believe that Snake is an exception to the third party rule of Smash. Otherwise it just wouldn't be Smash if we had icons from other devs coming all up in our Nintendo grillz.

Snake isn't a staple to any system, thus he could hold some merit (though I think it's an odd yet wonderful choice) as a character; plus he started on Nintendo.

Sonic and all these crazy speculations are just out of line with the core idea of Smash imo...

Also: yes there is gameplay in the actual trailer. It occurs when Pit and Metaknight fight and miss each other in the air, and when platform stages are shown and Mario/Link/Pika/Kirbz fight it out. I'm amazed at the number of people that can't tell the difference between the cutscenes and actual gameplay :S Mind boggling. I guess graphics have come a long way? :p

I love the fact that Metaknight and Pit have multi jumps, that's just going to rock.

I'm not certain about Metaknights fast, high knockback combos, but I figure they'll be relatively low dmg AAA combos, so I can deal with that. His 3 part aerial is going to kick major tail if it's not nerfed beforehand.

thoughts for now.

[Ghettoblasta]

I'm thinking that Peach will have a Super Special move that borrows from Super Princess Peach. So we mgiht see her throwing a mega temper tantrum oblitterating anyone in front of her. Capt. Falcon may have a mega falcon punch or something. Either that or a move involving the F-Zero cars. Regular Samus might have that super huge energy blast like she had in the intro as her Super Special. We'll see what the deal is as they release more info on this game.

[Dodongo]

http://i2.tinypic.com/zin4h2.jpg
I was in the mood to make this.