View Full Version : New Shine Possiblities...
ChozenOne
05-13-2006, 08:51 PM
In the legendary game of Super Smash Bros Melee there are two characters whom have dominated the tournament scene every since the very beggining thanks to one move... Their shines. Does anyone else feel that there is a possibility that nintendo will so to speak "nerf" the shine of fox and falco, or even add a new horizontal/ diagonal shine with an addition of star wolf or another new starfox character??
Sensai
05-13-2006, 09:36 PM
In the legendary game of Super Smash Bros Melee there are two characters whom have dominated the tournament scene every since the very beggining thanks to one move... Their shines. Does anyone else feel that there is a possibility that nintendo will so to speak "nerf" the shine of fox and falco, or even add a new horizontal/ diagonal shine with an addition of star wolf or another new starfox character??
Absolutely not to nerfing it. They just won't, unless of course they make it so you can't jumpo outta it. Which I guess would make a HUGE difference.
I am completely ignorant to what you mean by horizontal/diagonal shines.
Kelp Plankton
05-13-2006, 09:39 PM
I'd expect they may change it's ability to reflect characters into just reflecting projectiles. Then it comes back to it's intended usage while eliminating the potential abuse.
Sensai
05-13-2006, 09:50 PM
I'd expect they may change it's ability to reflect characters into just reflecting projectiles. Then it comes back to it's intended usage while eliminating the potential abuse.
I think it was intended to reflect characters.
Or even if it wasn't, the move would be obsolete. Because with that shield, you can reflect now. So if they nerfed it that badly, then it would be like taking away one of Fox's moves.
I wouldnt think so.
Id guess that they may tone it down a little, but not get rid of its awseomness all together.
Sensai
05-13-2006, 09:58 PM
Without the shine, it would be as if Fox was nude.
Falco needs his shine! No more pillar nooo
Wonder if Falco's spike will get slowed down start up time and SHL lag? Hmm...
Myztek
05-13-2006, 11:04 PM
Falco needs his shine! No more pillar nooo
Wonder if Falco's spike will get slowed down start up time and SHL lag? Hmm...
Hopefully his SHL and shine will remain intact. I'm sure they'll keep the ability to jump out of the shine, because in PAL, Falco's spike was changed to only spike on start up and become a meteor during the ending animation so that his ability to pillar wouldn't be ruined.
They'll probably alter his spike for Brawl in the same way. So it may be a bit tougher to land spikes this time around.
Eternal_Samus
05-13-2006, 11:39 PM
If Fox's and Falco's shine was taken away, they would be lower than Ganondord on the teir list. Most good Fox players waveshine so if they couldn't use shine to knock them back, people would leave their fox days and play with Metaknight or something. Falco also would suck. Most good falcos pillar for their kills. Sure they use SHFL, but that isn't really effective if you jump. Plz take away their shine. Even though i play samus and can repetitively get back, it would be awesome to have two of the higher contenders out of the race for top and upper teir. METAKNIGHT AND SAMUS FOR TOP TEIR!
Office_Shredder
05-13-2006, 11:44 PM
it would be awesome to have two of the higher contenders out of the race for top and upper teir.
Let's add on to that.
Take away samus's missles and bombs, it would be awesome to have one of the contenders for upper tier out of the race
Omega_Star
05-14-2006, 12:03 AM
I personally don't want to see their shines altered. True, they are annoying to face, but they're also so awesome. They add a level of speed and complexity to the game, and I also think that they're fun to use. It makes you feel more extreme. :flame:
Neo_Morphix
05-14-2006, 12:45 AM
Hmmm... I don't know...
They're great as they're now, but remember, this game and the Wii is all about steping-ahead, so I believe they'll be even better. They'll definitely consider all those who play using the Shine-cancel, the waveshine and shffld's, and I still think it's going to be better than it is now.
Also, I'm also almost sure Krystal is gonna enter, so there you have a new Shine possibility (If she does has the reflector of course).
Maybe Star Wolf could have a fiery reflector... or something. Something other than the normal blue light. Or maybe his could be red, or green, or something. Or Krystal if she's in. Or both. Yay.
Twin Dreams
05-14-2006, 02:01 AM
The only type of change I see to the Shines would be two things.
One for Fox, would be the shine would push them farther away. You could still infinite against a wall, but otherwise, you can't infinite on flat land.
Two for Falco, the DI would change. A more horizontal affect, stopping pillar.
The only type of change I see to the Shines would be two things.
One for Fox, would be the shine would push them farther away. You could still infinite against a wall, but otherwise, you can't infinite on flat land.
Two for Falco, the DI would change. A more horizontal affect, stopping pillar.
There is a problem with that... Let's say, if Fox manages to shine spike someone right on his face, if the shine sends the opponent farther, the opponent would be instantly knocked out. I think is not right... Just assuming...
the_suicide_fox
05-14-2006, 03:57 AM
I think they may alter Fox's and Falco's shine, but in different ways. In the original SSB Fox couldn't JC shine, BUT he could auto-Lcancel it (and if you think L in Lcancel means the L button check again, it stands for land-cancel). I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the same attack properties, but instead made it so you can only jump out of Falco's shine (or WD which is less useful for Falco anyway). Fox's shine could only be canceled by landing while in shine but give him some landing lag and not just his regular landing as he had in SSB, in which case the infinite jc shine would start with jump and it would make it more important to use his shine to combo on the ground as well as make it more risky to shinespike.
Shines should no longer be jumpcancelable. Who's ever heard of a move that'll render every single aerial besides upair safe, has only 1 frame of startup, makes the user invincible (invincibility frames!), can be used to combo into a spike (Falco) and is a spike (Fox).
Not to mention Fox can do all kinds of moronic things like shinecombo into a grab/upsmash/infinites/shine you off the stage.
In all other fighters, moves that good cannot be followed up on (come on! Fox's is a spike!) on block.
They should:
1) Remove the jumpcancelability
2) Make Fox's shine a meteor smash (as well as Falco's dair).
Together with Ganondorf's Down + B, Fox's Shine and Falco's Dair are the only remaining spikes (in PAL, in NTSC, Marth has his dair).
Shine should be nerfed. Or give it some lag.
Sensai
05-15-2006, 09:24 AM
Shines should no longer be jumpcancelable. Who's ever heard of a move that'll render every single aerial besides upair safe, has only 1 frame of startup, makes the user invincible (invincibility frames!), can be used to combo into a spike (Falco) and is a spike (Fox).
I agree with this. I just recently found out (recently being a couple months, when I started lookin' on this) that it was jumpcancelable (what a word!). Before that, I was still good, and I could still shine spike, but it necessitated a little more accuracy, 'cause if you messed up, the person out there messed YOU up.
I main Fox, and that shine is pretty much what makes or brakes you, but it doesn't necessarily need to be that powerful, or at least that COMMON.
I would like to see it left as it is, but if it's going to be changed, this would be my vote.
Sudai
05-15-2006, 10:03 AM
TSF, it's "lag-cancle" not "land-cancle". Just an FYI ; )
On Topic: I do think the shine is overpowered, but I wouldn't change it as much as you guys say you would. I'm thinking maybe a few frames more start-up would solve it and maybe 4-5 frames before being able to JC it. The rest of the properties would remain the same so Falco can still pillar and Fox can still shinespike.
Sanguimancer
05-15-2006, 11:17 AM
On Topic: I do think the shine is overpowered, but I wouldn't change it as much as you guys say you would. I'm thinking maybe a few frames more start-up would solve it and maybe 4-5 frames before being able to JC it. The rest of the properties would remain the same so Falco can still pillar and Fox can still shinespike.
I think this is a pretty reasonable solution, it needs to be nerfed but not kirby nerfed. They need to break fox's wave-shining but not the shinespike.
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