Give Falco a better recovery!

[Nite]

If anybody noticed, Falco's recovery is horrible! As Falco being my main character, it can get annoying at times, but I still love him.

Who wants to see Falco have Fox's recovery on Brawl?

[xZero Beatx]

If anybody noticed, Falco's recovery is horrible! As Falco being my main character, it can get annoying at times, but I still love him.

Who wants to see Falco have Fox's recovery on Brawl?
That's very true, but I find Falco's Shine to work better(my opinion). Oh well, I really don't deal with that poor recovery Falco has because I'm a Fox player. Been owning with him since SSB64.

[Nite]

That's good stuff because Fox is a monster. I know that Falco would be up there on top tier with him if they had the same recovery because Falco is the combo master and the only thing slowing him down is his nasty recovery.

[xZero Beatx]

That's good stuff because Fox is a monster. I know that Falco would be up there on top tier with him if they had the same recovery because Falco is the combo master and the only thing slowing him down is his nasty recovery.
Falco also happens to be slower. But I do like his Down A(while in the air) better than Fox's multiple kicks, it exposes Fox too much while Falco causes his opponent to be launched into the air, and thus a new combo arises:-p.

[BentoBox]

For the sake of fox and falco being two different characters, I doubt that'll happen.

But we never know~

[Nite]

I do agree with you about Falco having a better down air, but Fox's has it's purposes too. Falco's can just set up so many combo opportunities that it is great though. I do like Falco's u tilt a little better because it doesn't knock you as far up as Fox's does and it can set up some great combo or spike chances as well.

[Anther]

I'd be so truly afraid if Falco had a long distance recovery. He's already not the easiest to edgeguard, and he does execellent without the great recovery. I think his short recovery is the luckiest thing every character that has to face him has XD.

[Nite]

Yea, people can take advantage of his recovery in many different gay ways. Especially Marth and peach. It can be very annoying at times, but his combos can make up for it at times. If you spam lasers you are gay, but it is effective against characters like that. There are some ways to prevent getting messed up like that, but sometimes it isn't enough because he can get combo'd so easy.

[BlueWolf25]

Personally, I think Falco's recovery is fine as is. While it was originally supposed to be short because he has a huge jump/double jump, right now it's the only thing that counters the fact that he has SHB, shine combos, and all the other forms of rape he can execute.

[Nite]

You may be missing the point that if I get chaingrabbed a couple of times and then tippered by marth, then I'm dead. Or thrown off by peach and baired twice, the it's over. There are just so many ways to manipulate him because of his short recovery and it isn't hard to get him in that position.

[EdreesesPieces]

While there at it, maybe they can give sheik a better aerial game, give Marth projectiles, give Peach super quick forward and up smash and unescapable grabs, and Fox a much stronger downsmash.

Falco is already one of the best characters with a bad recovery. If he had a great one, he would be too good. I'm glad he's that way. I think it would be fair to give him Fox recovery if he lost something in return, maybe his forward smash would get weaker, or down air wouldn't last as long.

You may be missing the point that if I get chaingrabbed a couple of times and then tippered by marth, then I'm dead. Or thrown off by peach and baired twice, the it's over. There are just so many ways to manipulate him because of his short recovery and it isn't hard to get him in that position.

Roy has this same problem almost, things aren't exactly great for Ness and Ganon is edgeguaded like nothing. Falco may have a bad recovery but he's a great character. I don't see why they need to improve a great character. They should leave the good characters the same, and give small improvements to the bad ones to try to balance it.

[Anther]

Only counter argument to that Nitemare is that Marth and Peach aren't the extent of Falco Matchups. A lot of charas have an extremely hard time killing him as is, and his down a spiking would be the scariest thing in existance XD.

[Aiser]

My guess is they'll give Falco the Link treatment, make a few edits make is recovery alot better.

[Lord HDL]

Yea, people can take advantage of his recovery in many different gay ways. Especially Marth and peach. It can be very annoying at times, but his combos can make up for it at times. If you spam lasers you are gay, but it is effective against characters like that. There are some ways to prevent getting messed up like that, but sometimes it isn't enough because he can get combo'd so easy.

You do realize those are only two characters. If they gave him a better recovery, characters that do equal or bad against Falco would be too much at a handicap. He is too good as it is, he doesn’t need to be better. He needs to be toned down some. Lasers need to be a tad slower in startup and shine needs to be fixed. Down smash also needs to be weakened slightly. His PAL down aerial seems good to keep.

[Tom nom nom nom!]

I have to agree with Nite that Falco's recovery should be better.

If they gave him a better recovery, characters that do equal or bad against Falco would be too much at a handicap.

Thats assuming that Falco is the only character that they change. If the lower-tier characters are to be changed to stand up against the highest tier characters, then characters that do equal or bad against Falco wouldn't be too much at a handicap, and Falco would stand a better chance against Shiek/Fox/Marth/Peach.

He is too good as it is, he doesn’t need to be better. He needs to be toned down some.

I'm under the impression that the devs will want to upgrade the weaker characters, not downtone the stronger characters, because of how upset players of Ness/Pika/etc. got when their character was suckafied. That being said, he would need to be improved a bit to stand up against the highest tier characters, and everyone else once they are fixed a bit too. :)

Lasers need to be a tad slower in startup

That would get rid of the efficiency of the one projectile Falco has going for him because of previous ending lag and now new startup lag; it would also make Falco's laser heavily pale in comparison to Fox's.

shine needs to be fixed.

I just dont understand what you mean by that.

Down smash also needs to be weakened slightly. His PAL down aerial seems good to keep.

And if the PAL down aerial is the common spike that im thinking about, then I can agree with you on both of those. ^^

[ShortAssassin]

Yeah! Let's make Falco even better!
Why give ,arguably the best character in the game in the hands of the right person, the fix to his major flaw.

[Tom nom nom nom!]

Yeah! Let's make Falco even better!
Why give ,arguably the best character in the game in the hands of the right person, the fix to his major flaw.

Umm... either to put him on par with the highest tier characters, or for any of the reasons I said earlier.

[ShortAssassin]

Umm... either to put him on par with the highest tier characters, or for any of the reasons I said earlier.

He already is on par with the highest tier characters.

[Wak]

yeah but the programmers doesn't want only one character up there in god tier, they want to make them all good...

NOTE: im PRETTY sure we will have the PAL fox, sheik and marth in SSBB

:)

[defsithe]

y would u wanted to make an already awsome character into a broken character. his reocvery is like the only tihng that keeps him from being the best in the game he would be way too good.

[The Other Wind]

I wouldn't be that disappointed if falco was bottom tier.

[Nite]

Lord HDL- I was just giving examples of characters that could take advantage of his recovery. I didn't say that marth and peach were the only two. There are plenty of characters that can have fun with that.

I have to say that giving him a better recovery wouldn't make him broken. And that is not the only thing keeping him from being the best character although he has great combo skills and his lasers have to be one of the best projectiles in the game. None the less he is a fast faller and everybody knows that fast fallers can get combo'd very easy. It is not that his recovery is so horrible, it is that he falls so fast and then his recovery is horrible. Sheik's recovery is pretty short, but she makes up for it because she doesn't fall very fast or she can change into Zelda. You have to think of that stuff.

I am not saying to make Falco unfair or broken, but they more than likely would try to even the characters out more, which would mean if they did give him a better recovery then they would try to change other things as well to try to even it out to make it fair for a long list of characters.

[no. 1 smash daddy]

oh and they should also be more creative with falco`s moves instead of adding him again the same moves as fox.

[Nite]

What do you mean? The moves may look the same as Fox's, but every move has a different effect.

Please don't tell me that you think that they have the same moves entirely.

[anonymous_joe]

maybe they can make his firebird a bit longer but i think that should be the extent of it, with his illusion it would be terrible to have that longer because anyone trying to edgeguard him would have a pretty good chance of being spiked just from his recovery

[Sensai]

Personally, I think Falco's recovery is fine as is. While it was originally supposed to be short because he has a huge jump/double jump, right now it's the only thing that counters the fact that he has SHB, shine combos, and all the other forms of rape he can execute.

I agree. Falco's good as it is, and is pretty much a control-*****. Everytime I play a Falco, I get thrown and kicked and put wherever the other person wants me.

It's enough to make a grown man weep.

[Nite]

I think that they should make his illusion longer, but take away it's ability to spike. Little changes like that could make a big difference. I do think that Falco is a great character and he can be one of the best characters in the game if you can play him smartly, and if you can, I guess you wouldn't need it too much as long as you can play very cautious.

[Sensai]

I think giving him the ability to recover would make him very VERY good.

Probably too good. Almost God, good.

[mikeHAZE]

but falco already = too good...

:(

[no. 1 smash daddy]

well yeah, falco`s moves are already good but probaly they can make him much better

[viper210]

well if they dont give him new moves, maybe a few changes 2 him can help.
-make his illusion not spike, as was said earlier
-his 1st jump goes very high, but his 2nd jump is normal, so u can reduce da height of da 1st jump and either:
-make him fall slower than normal instead of faster than normal, or
-keep his fallingf speed da same and improve his 2nd jump

[asianpride3491]

Falco is a bird. Fox is a mammal. Who, naturally, should have had a better recovery? (In case you didn't know , falcons can fly, upwards, foxes can.... move forward....)

[Plomid]

no dont make him more broken than he already is

[commonyoshi]

Agreed. He is amazingly awesome. His recovery is his Achille's heel. Without that awful recovery, I would say that he would be pretty darn annoying.

[asianpride3491]

He's not broken... yet. I mean, he has more fallablilities than the top tiers, so why not just make him top tier? To compensate, they can make his shine spike people downwards instead of up, and give him an upward bounce after his Dair spike, so that he can go up when spiking.

[shanus]

Falco's recovery is fine. My main is falco, and i only see his true weakness in being his recovery. If he had a recovery even remotely similar to fox he would be broken. Leave falco as is and I will be a happy camper. Also, HDL, what about his shine needs fixing?

[Sensai]

Falco is a bird. Fox is a mammal. Who, naturally, should have had a better recovery? (In case you didn't know , falcons can fly, upwards, foxes can.... move forward....)

rofl

But this game makes very LITTLE sense, logically. It's SMASH!

And I agree with whomever said it: the only weakness I see in Falco's his recovery.

[WanderingAngel]

dude falco with fox's recovery would be too awesome so i disagree falco is already too good giving him better recovery would make him almost perfect what r u gonna ask for next for him to have the fire fox?

[MarthHasASword]

i think they should keep falco's rocovery the way it is, people already spam his SHL so why give him him a better recovery so he can do more spaming?

[ky]

if his recovery is better then he will be the best character in the game... do it