Nintendo has pre-existing relations with SOME companies, Quit asking for Sephiroth.

[Hiemie]

Nintendo has prexisting relations with Capcom, Konami, Namco, and Sega.

ESPECIALLY Namco And Sega cause of that Arcade hardware thing. Capcom has the Zelda thing, and Konami with the DDR thing. So if we're gonna expect character from other companies it's them. Namco did Mario Baseball, and Pac-man is in the Arcade Mario Kart. Also Mario is the voice in that Mac Man Vs. thing from Pac Man World 2. And we all know Sega helped with F-Zero GX Arcade.

I address this because of the arge amount of people asking for characters that are from companies like Square in the request topic (That and using potentially incorrect names, like for Issac in Golden Sun when he's really Robin, but I doubt they'll use many Camelot characters besides maybe Waluigi. But Wario's addition was more to the GB character being added. Like Blue Suit Samus. I'd look out for Game Boy characters). You know Square will not liscence stuff for Nintendo. Mario RPG was so long ago it really isn't worth mentioning. And don't throw the "Pit is in and he's old" thing at me. We know Nintendo has been embracing the retro movement. Look at Tetris DS. Keep this retro movement in mind. I think it should have influence.

Although this has probaby been said many times before, the breaking of the Nintendo only barrier is a big thing, and I bet there'll be at least one represenative from Sega and Namco in addition to Snake from Konami. With some luck we'll get some people from Capcom.

C'mon you jerks let's be realistic here.

Edit: Not that it's important, but Nintendo also has deals with the Pokemon company obviously. They've been a seperate company for about 2 years. The Pokemon in the game are in because of their popularity from the Anime and Movies, not the game.

[SmashBroPro]

First, Nintendo owns the rights to Pokemon and all its merchandise, not Gamefreak. That's why it's in the game. Gamefreak becoming a 3rd party developer does nothing to change that.

Second, there are connections with Square, you know the FFC thing as well as characters like Geno from Mario RPG. Sepiroth might be a stretch, but some Crystal characters or Geno (my favorite, screw Cloud) are a possibility.

[Yuna]

Neither Squaresoft nor Konami count as relations. If Konami's DDR: Mario Mix and Squaresoft's Final Fantasy: Crystal Cronicles counts, then every single company that's published a game on a Nintendo console counts.

(At least DDR: Mario Mix used music owned by Nintendo. FF:CC was just a game on the Gamecube)

The only reason Snake is in SSBB is because Hideo Kojima wished it so (and Sakurai allowed it).

[NintendoKing]

I'm gonna say that no one knows why and we should all just wait until the new samsh comes out.

I only see bruised egos coming from this.

[Hiemie]

I'm gonna say that no one knows why and we should all just wait until the new samsh comes out.

And I'm gonna say that you're a wise man. I just made this because I think some people's speculations are silly as hell. I mean the game isn't even coming out until 2007 and we're assuming who is gonna be in it, how the engine works, tiers, and a whole bunch of asinine details. We'll get information when Nintendo dishes it out. We're not going to figure out some secret code watching the video over and over again. People should really cool down here. From this point in time to like next week a ton of stuff about the game could change and we wouldn't even know it.

Also, I REALLY doubt ANYTHING by Square is even going to come close to this game.

New let's get back to our 60 million topics on "Who is in the game" and "OMG SNAKE!"

Edit: I bet that even though Snake was "willed" into the game or whatever, there was contracting involved. It must have been crazy. Perhaps Konami got some free game liscencing.

[Falling Whistness]

These are corporations, they don't need to have "preexisting relations" in order to conduct negotiations if the final result is something that is benefitial to both companies. Square is making several new games for Nintendo systems, so I don't think there's any bad blood between the companies.

That being said, I don't think that Nintendo will go for any characters that have never been on a Nintendo platform, so Sephiroth is probably out. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a Square-Enix character in SSBB.

[Card]

These are corporations, they don't need to have "preexisting relations" in order to conduct negotiations if the final result is something that is benefitial to both companies. Square is making several new games for Nintendo systems, so I don't think there's any bad blood between the companies.

That being said, I don't think that Nintendo will go for any characters that have never been on a Nintendo platform, so Sephiroth is probably out. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a Square-Enix character in SSBB.

I whole-heartedly agree with what you have said. Not to mention many companies wouldn't mind being a part of one of Nintendo's Largest growing franchises on what seems to be the winning console at E3.



Speaking of Square-Enix, I would also like to point out... ;

You know Square will not liscence stuff for Nintendo. Mario RPG was so long ago it really isn't worth mentioning.

In Mario & Luigi's Superstar Saga, Geno actually makes a cameo appearance as an instructional aid in a casino minigame. Then during the final credits of the game, it states that Geno is a registered trademark of Square-Enix and Nintendo prsonally Thanks Square-Enix for allowing Geno to be put in the game.

If Square-Enix allows Nintendo to use Geno for M&L:SS; and so many fans appreciated it, I do not see why they wouldn't want to have a piece of themselves in SSBB; especially now since Konami has jumped on board and put Snake in the game, SSBB got tons of attention from that. I wouldn't be surprised to see Geno & Mallow make it in SSBB, especially since they are from arguably one of the top RPG's for the SNES, and are part of a game with "Mario" in the title.

Don't forget that Geno made it on the top 5 "Characters we want to see" for Toukouken on the official website! http://www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no1_2.html
Sakurai claims that he is going to make this game for the players, and if the players are demanding "feasible" characters (Get the hell out Sephiroth/Cloud fans, they aren't getting in) like Geno, Mallow, Waluigi, Fire Emblem characters, Golden Sun characters, etc... It's definitly a possibility.

[kilroy]

do you mind if i ask, as a quick aside, what were the top 5 and what order were they? the link is all in japanese. =/

[sonicblue]

Really, the best argument against Sephiroth is very simple. And that is, like people have said before, he's never been on a Nintendo system. He has no history whatsoever with Nintendo at all. The whole "relationships with companies" theory takes a back seat to simple Nintendo history.

Wow, it's been a while since I've posted here.

[Card]

do you mind if i ask, as a quick aside, what were the top 5 and what order were they? the link is all in japanese. =/

I can't check right now since I am at school, and theres no Japanese Language Pack installed here. But if you have the language pack you could try using Babelfish on www.altavista.com and try to make out what they are saying.

I can't remember the top 5 off the top of my head, but I believe it was Rockman (Megaman), Claus (Mother 3), Geno (SM:RPG), some Japanese Nintendo Character that starts with the letter 'O', and one more character which I can't remember, sorry.

[Varuna]

google translated.

Here. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no1_2.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no1_2.html%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG )

[kilroy]

thanks guys!

[Yuna]

Well this is weird. A few weeks back, I didn't have the language pack installed and now I do o_O. Just like that O_o

[Kryian]

How about this for relations:

Square is developing/developed Mario 3on3 Basketball for Nintendo DS.

Edit: Addtionally, Nintendo has published Square Enix games on their consoles. Hell, they might publish ALL Square Enix games on their consoles.

[Yuna]

How about this for relations:

Square is developing/developed Mario 3on3 Basketball for Nintendo DS.

Edit: Addtionally, Nintendo has published Square Enix games on their consoles. Hell, they might publish ALL Square Enix games on their consoles.

But that's using Nintendo owned characters. Unless Square Enix and Nintendo team up and create some kind of Kingdom Hearts hybridish game, there won't be enough to say "These characters are really related to Nintendo and should be in the game".

The only reason Snake got in was because Kojima begged... wished it so.

[Voodoo Daddy]

You fail to recognize the fact that Smash Brothers is a huge franchise and that any third party would want the publicity of having their characters in it. Also, just because they do not have pre-existing relationships does not mean that they can not form relationships. Such as allowing Crono, Cloud and Sora to appear in SSBB and then allowing Square to make an RPG like Kingdom Hearts but with Nintendo characters. Not saying that is what is necessarily going to happen but do not rule out any possibilities.

[Kryian]

I'm not in support of Sephiroth and trying to save my hopes or anything, I'm just smacking down the entire point of this post, because I'm mean like that. My examples of Square/Nintendo relationships are just as strong/stronger than his at the top.

You're right, though. They're not in bed together or anything. Just making my point :)

[Yuna]

Tekken is a huge franchise. Let's call them up and ask them to put a Square Enix character in there! Because it will help both parties.

Just because SSB is considered less serious than all other fighters in existence that aren't licensed fighters for reasons unknown doesn't mean there isn't a line to draw.

And Nintendo is going back to the feel of the games with Wii. They're not money-grubby people like Microsoft (hence their huge risk of not making it HD and going all-graphics).

[GreenKirby]

They're not money-grubby people like Microsoft (hence their huge risk of not making it HD and going all-graphics).

I wouldn't say that. Remember, Nintendo is also a big business. ;)

[Voodoo Daddy]

Yeah, Smash is definitely bigger than Tekken.

Also, don't forget, to a lot of creators it's fun to have your characters in smash.

[SmashBroPro]

And Nintendo is going back to the feel of the games with Wii. They're not money-grubby people like Microsoft (hence their huge risk of not making it HD and going all-graphics).

It's hilliarious how every Nintendo topic comes down to some bizzare rant against Microsoft. I dont want to side track the discussion further, but Nintendo is just as greedy for you $ as Microsoft. Don't confuse top quality products with some kind of bizzaro buisness ethics.

I just think that saying suchandsuch a character will not be in is silly. Imagine if a poster said they felt Snake would get in. You would have people responding with the same arguments currently going against Sepiroth. Yeah if you really look there are some differences, but the inclusion of Snake proves there is no absolutes in the character selection.