OFFICIAL Sonic thread. (Keep it Brawl related, or suffer Xsyven's wrath!)

[kaid]

I'd say the standard suspects.

Sonic, Dr Eggman Robotnik, Tails, Knuckles, Metal Sonic, Shadow, Espio and Blaze.

[Shark X]

Forgot about Blaze. Since I don't own handhelds, it's pretty easy to forget her. But I hear good things about her.

For some reason, I just can't see Tails in here. Amy Rose with her hammer, I can see, but not Tails.

Can't imagine Metal Sonic though, a fast, AND strong fighter? Not to mention he can fly. The only thing I can see going against Metal would be his weight.

[Tomasiarity]

I'd say the standard suspects.

Sonic, Dr Eggman Robotnik, Tails, Knuckles, Metal Sonic, Shadow, Espio and Blaze.

Lol, Amy Rose for SSB4 :) . Its too soon to be talking about that.
Anyway, the only Sonic characters that should never get in Smash games are:
-Silver the... thing-hog (Sonic 360/PS3)
-Chris Thorndyke, the abort of nature (Sonic X)

[McFox]

Tails, Knuckles, MAYBE Eggman.

Why must Sega add a new character to every single game? It's starting to be too much. Most of them suck (Amy, Cream, etc.)

[Shark X]

Dude, keep up, Amy was the third Sonic character, followed by Metal Sonic, followed by Tails.

Yeah, they need to bring back their top five dead characters, Nack the Weasel, Metal Sonic, Mighty, Ray, Bean, and Bark. I can do without most, but they have just been hinting at Nack's return since Sonic Adventure 2, yet they give us Rouge. Again in Sonic Heroes, yet a No Nack. Again in Shadow the Hedgehog, the perfect place for Nack to return. Again, no Nack. Again in Sonic Riders, along with his trademark airbike. Still, No Nack. And as for Metal Sonic, they bring him back in Sonic Heroes, only to ruin him, give him a terrible voice, AND kill him off. The only good thing they did was actually give him a final boss role.

All these new characters in every game have been sucking since Sonic Adventure 2. SA1's Chaos and Gamma were awesome, but thats as far as it went.

[McFox]

What the hell are you talking about?

Tails = Sonic 2 = 1992
Amy/Metal Sonic = Sonic CD = 1993

And Knuckles was actually cool. Amy still sucks.

[Shark X]

I read somewhere that Sonic CD came out in Japan in 1991/1992. Actually I read several times that Sonic CD came before Sonic 2. Judgeing from Sonic CD's Sonic model, it looks pretty true.

Knuckles USED to be cool. Both him and Amy started sucking since Heroes ruined them both.

EDIT: Well after looking into it, apparently I was sort of right. Sonic CD and Sonic 2 started development at the same time, and Sonic CD was meant to come out first. Meh, here's the actual quote.

Development on Sonic CD began in Japan at around the same time development on Sonic 2 began in the US. Most of the major Sonic 1 staffers were in the US working on Sonic 2, and it's probably because of this shift in talent that Sonic CD stands out from the rest of the series. Supposedly, Sonic CD was to be released before Sonic 2, but Sega dubbed the latter as being more important, and CD got pushed well into the following year.

And that info is from http://www.theghz.com/sonic/cd/sonic_cd.html

[Puffball64]

So, technically, Tails is the second to come out, not Metal Sonic/Amy. You lose.

And you know why Nack never came back in any new Sonic games? Because he sucks, at least, compared to the more popular characters.

Sonic the hedgehog and Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik is all we need for Brawl. The original two characters, FTFW.

[icymatt]

Actually, Sonic is all we need for Brawl. No secondary characters. Save 'em for Nintendo X Sega, I say.

[Chidosengan]

....Hmm....

Why does it feels now that the exclusion of Sonic in SSBB would be more of a suprise then he being in? Too much expectation IMO.

And you of course you know.... Nintendo is all about suprises.....

[Wave Bird]

A thread which is about discussing stuff we've already argued countless times before.

I'm seriously about to shoot someone.
Thumbs Up. :D

[McFox]

Thumbs Up. :D

Thumbs down.

Please attempt to post things that are worth reading. :)

[Shark X]

So, technically, Tails is the second to come out, not Metal Sonic/Amy. You lose.

And you know why Nack never came back in any new Sonic games? Because he sucks, at least, compared to the more popular characters.

I see no point that I lost. Amy and Metal were ment to be before Tails. Weird considering how awesome Metal Sonic looked, and how pathetic Silver Sonic looked.

And you think your right about the Nack sucks comment? I love how people with opinions always think they are right.

[TDub301]

I think if any characterS get in, it should be no more than Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. All these other new characters can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. If any make it in, it'll only be one which will obviously be Sonic, maybe in the 4th installment more will make it in, but there will be no need for any more than those 3 and maybe the main villain (I thought his name was Dr. Robotnik in our country) to be in it, those 4 are enough representation. As for the vB, as McFox reiterated, it should be a reving spin dash like in the classic 2D sonics, **** I'd love to do that in Brawl. As for JPW's comment, which surprisingly noone responed to yet, the developers could just put in a way to stop yourself like jumping (which was how I used to do it in the original if I wanted to stop for some reason) or maybe you could tech or L-cancel out of the attack. Would be a great way to play mind games in pvp fights as well.

[Marshy]

Sonic should be the ONLY character from that franchise to be in. Sakurai said only 1-2 3rd party characters in, so there should only be one from a franchise.

Sonic is obvious, but why Tails? Because he's always seen with Sonic? Sonic is the face of the franchise, not Tails and Tails is a boring character anyway. He follows Sonic everywhere and tries to be exactly like him, he has a boring personality. A little fox who makes machines for his "hero".

Knuckles is cool, (except in Heroes, but no one is cool in Heroes) and he is unique and has personality too. He hasn't been around as long as Tails has though, and it can be argued that he and Tails are equal. He is basically Sonic's friend, nothing more than that and has done nothing to make him be in Brawl.

Eggman is understandable, because he is Sonic's main villain. I say no to him though, because who cares about Sonic's enemy from his own universe, when he can be fighting his rival, Mario?

[Tomasiarity]

BTW, I think if you get to fight Sonic in Classic mode, it could be in four different ways:
-Only Sonic
-Mario & Sonic (lol)
-Sonic team (double lol)
-Metal Sonic (triple lol)

[Shark X]

Sonic should be the ONLY character from that franchise to be in. Sakurai said only 1-2 3rd party characters in, so there should only be one from a franchise.

Sonic is obvious, but why Tails? Because he's always seen with Sonic? Sonic is the face of the franchise, not Tails and Tails is a boring character anyway. He follows Sonic everywhere and tries to be exactly like him, he has a boring personality. A little fox who makes machines for his "hero".

Marshigio is right about all of this...this time >.>

Yeah I argued with a few people on this board who for some reason think Tails absolutly MUST make it in if Sonic does. Those idiots think Sonic and Tails are connected by the hip or something.

[McFox]

I don't want Tails in. I'd rather it just be Sonic in the game.

[kaid]

Here's a new discussion piece. Since it's a given that Sonic may be in SSB3 or SSB4, lets talk about who we would want to join him most around SSB4 and SSB5 (since we know that even if Sonic made it in SSB3, he won't have company until at least the next game.


This is the reason people have been mentioning other people.

[Got Blood?]

Yes to Sonic and no to Eggman,Tails,and Silver.Silver is stupid.He'd probably be like Mewtwo anyway.

[HyperFalcon]

Tails is very different from Sonic, to put it mildly. It's the same thing with Shadow, Silver, and everyone else. The closest clone that actually almost stayed a clone was Mecha Sonic(not Silver Sonic or Metal Sonic, mind you). Frankly, I can't see Silver being a Mewtwo clone at all, but anyway, the only reason why Down B should either be Bounce or Spin Dash and not both is balance. Poor DK and Peach have ground only Down B's. So suddenly Sonic gets a double usage of it? I don't count Falcon Kick as a double usage as it's the same move...just a slightly different direction. But that's just how I see it.

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

Wow, just wow.

[TDub301]

Well, if you read my post I said it should and will be just Sonic (if anyone from that franchise) in Brawl, I was saying maybe in the fourth installment some more Sonic characters should make it, but no more than the original 4 in my opinion. I don't particularly care for Tails any more than you guys, but he has been there pretty much from the beginning with Sonic and although he is a little ***** who follows Sonic around, so what? Many sidekicks are like that, that's what he is, a sidekick.

[Shark X]

Well, if you read my post I said it should and will be just Sonic (if anyone from that franchise) in Brawl, I was saying maybe in the fourth installment some more Sonic characters should make it, but no more than the original 4 in my opinion. I don't particularly care for Tails any more than you guys, but he has been there pretty much from the beginning with Sonic and although he is a little ***** who follows Sonic around, so what? Many sidekicks are like that, that's what he is, a sidekick.

Well if you read my post, thats exactly what I said, starting from SSB4 or SSB5, not SSB3.

And again, your sounding like one of those that believe Tails is joined to Sonic by the hip. Sonic went two games first without Tails, then he went every GG game without Tails, then he went half of SA, all of SA2, SS, Sonic Advance 1-3, and Sonic Rush without Tails. Notice that in all those games, Tails is NOT joined at the hip with Sonic.

[TDub301]

True, but the classic Sonic games on Sega (Sonic 2, Sonic 3, and Sonic and Knuckles) Tailes is right there joined at his hip the entire time. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd make some sort of photoship with the 2 of them from the game stuck together. Anyway, I don't remember your post, but I wasn't necessarily directing my SSB4 commment to you if you alread said it. I just think he should get in before all those other characters because he was one of the original characters from the Sega games just like Knuckles and Eggman. Sega had a little falling out and became a software company before many of the games you mentioned were released. What does that have to do with anything you say? Well, I'd want the characters from when Sega was being very successful with Sonic as their headliner. Just like Luigi and Bowser got in before the other characters from Mario RPG or Paper Mario because they were from the original story line that gained the franchise all of it's fame in the first place. Maybe all this elaboration isn't necessary but **** it. I'd rather see those 4 before all those newer characters, that's the point I want to get across. I don't necessarily like Tails, if he did get in I'd probably look forward to kicking his *** just like I do to Pichu, Kirby, etc. now but I feel he should get in before those newer characters do because he's more important to the series than they were, the games he was in were more successful.

[Leon-D]

Here's something I'm starting to see. If you look at the preview vid you can see Mario grabs a ball with the SSB logo on it, then pops into a super and burns most of the stage. I'm thinking this is how supers are going to be done in SSBB. Marios would be that. Link would most likely be that limit break-like attack you saw with the triforce and so on.

Sonic's could be something involving Hyper Sonic?

[Shark X]

Only three games were Sonic and Tails always together. Sonic 2, Sonic 3, and Sonic Heroes. I forgot to mention Sonic 3D Blast didn't have Tails follow him either.

Frankly Knuckles should make it in before Tails for a few reasons.

1. Knuckles starred in his own console game.

2. Knuckles is more of the fighter type than Tails.

3. Knuckles has way more fans. Well, almost way more. Just more so far.

4. Knuckles is more important to the series than Tails.

Original characters before the series went down? We got, in order of appearence, Sonic, Eggman, Amy Rose, Metal Sonic, Miles "Tails" Prower, Knuckles, Nack the Weasel/Fang the Sniper, Mighty, Espio, Vector, Charmy, Heavy, Bomb...and thats when it started going downhill.

And whats the hell is wrong with Kirby! :mad:

Sonic's would obviously be Super Sonic, or just tons of super fast Sonic Spin attacks.

[TDub301]

Ya, hyper Sonic, definitely, a time-limit power up.

Now, in my opinion, after Sonic and Knuckles, the series started going down-hill and still hasn't picked back up to it's old popularity. When that first Sonic 3D came out, it didn't do that well and several games after that didn't do well either. You forgot Sonic and Knuckles, which because it was separate, was not merely an extension of Sonic 3. I like Knuckles more than Tails, though, so I wouldn't mind if he got in before. But you have to agree that Tails deserves it more than the rest of those characters you mentioned. Come on, Sonic 1 though 3 and S and K are classic Sonics, none others really fit the bill except maybe Sonic CD and the Game Gear Sonic. But Tails was right there at the height of Sonic famedom as his sidekick.

[Shark X]

No I didn't forget Sonic and Knuckles, because Tails wasn't IN Sonic and Knuckles (unless connected to Sonic 3, but Tails wasn't in the game itself).

Then the way you see it, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Amy Rose, Metal Sonic, and Nack the Weasel/Fang the "two names annoy me" Sniper.

But yes, in order of getting in should be Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, Eggman/Amy Rose, Metal Sonic, and lets face it, Sonic Team hates Nack/Fang, so we'll obviously never see him again.

[TDub301]

****, really? Man my memory is bad, so Tails wasn't in S and K unless it was connected? My mistake, but still, you see my point. I really don't give a ****, I'm just trying to pass the time until Brawl comes out by talking about it. But Sonic being in would be such a great thing, I'm pretty sure, along with everyone else here that that's gonna happen, I'll be surprised if it doesn't frankly.

[Puffball64]

I'd **** my pants if Hyper Sonic was Sonic's Special, but I doubt it.

Hyper Sonic isn't as noticable as Super Sonic, being that Super Sonic has been in much more games than Hyper, Super Sonic should be the special.

But still, Hyper Sonic would be kick ***. His special would be that Sonic Boom he would do in S3&K.

[magar]

To Me, Sonic Isn't 3rd Party, Hes Allways Welcome ;)

[FoxxMCcloud]

i want want sonic, knuckles, and shadow to make it and for shadow's special move turn into hyper shadow and use one of his chaos atacks

[Shark X]

Even though Hyper Shadow doesn't exist?

[TheSmashBro06]

Here was a moveset I made, my very first one actually. Please tell me what you think of it!
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Sonic the Hedgehog Moveset
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Stats
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Attack: **
Speed: *****
Reach: ***
Jump: ***
Gravity: ***
Height: **
Weight: **


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Alternative Costumes
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Green w/ Red Shoes(Christmas Sonic!)
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9310/sonicgrn5sp.png

Red w/ Blue Shoes
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6384/sonicred8ad.png

Blue w/ Red Shoes(Duh)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5962/sonicblu1yr.png

Black w. Red Shoes and Red strip on spikes(Shadow)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3688/sonicblack2rg.png

Yellow w/ Red Shoes(Super Sonic)
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/3144/sonicgld8fq.png

Dark Purple w/ Red Shoes(Dark Sonic from Sonic X)
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/...icpurple3so.png


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Speed
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Just fast enough to be the fastest character in the game without being unfair.


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Stage(Adventure)
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Green Hill Zone: Act 1- Similar to the genesis version, but may have minor changes.


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Stage(Battle)
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The Space Colony ARK- Inside a room of the ARK with the doors that you could blow off being hazards. When the door opens, it will suck any player nearby out the door, but you can run and try to escape the sucktion.


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Items
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Ring- Heals 10%
TV Box(Whatever it is>.>)- Contains random item(s)



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A(Ground)
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A- Punch
A, A- Punches twice
A, A, A- Punch high, then low, then center/ If all connect, goes into Rapid Punch
< >A-Somersault
Smash < >A-Flame Somersault
^A- Back Flip
Smash ^A- Sonic Buzz-saw(Spindash upwards)
vA- Sonic Sweep(Sweeps foot in circle motion)
Smash vA- Sonic Sweep(Same, but appears to have sonic wind going around with the foot)

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A(Air)
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A- Bounce Attack
A, A- Double Bounce Attack(Does 2 quick bounces)
< > A- Back/ Front Flip
^ A- Lightspeed Dash
v A- A Gentle Bounce Attack(Does go up high when landing)

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B
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B- Spindash(chargeable)
< >B- Slide Dash
^B- Blue Tornado
vB- Breakdance Kick(Sonic kicks around on to his head and spins in a circle)

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Super Smash Attack
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Super Sonic: Chaos Emeralds come down and circle him, then Super Sonic flies across the stage for a few seconds.

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Z
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Z- Normal grab
< >Z- Throws opponent diagonally in that direction.
^Z- Uses foot to kick opponent upwards.
vZ- Throws opponent on ground and uses a buzz-saw like move on opponent.


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Sheild
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Green sphere appears around him. Crosses arms in front of his face.


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Taunt
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Exercise foot, then revs foot.(Sonic Advance 2 Taunt)


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Damage-(Percent)
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I.A (Air)
__A- 2%-3%
__< >A- 3%-4%
__Smash < > A- 4%-6%
__^A- 3%-4%
__Smash ^A- 4%-7%
__vA- 2%-4%
__Smash vA- 5%-7%

II.A (Ground)
__A- 3%-5%
__< >A- 2%-3%
__^A- 5%-7%
__vA- 1%-2%

III.B
__B- 4%-6%
__< >B- 5%-7%
__^B- 7%-9%
__vB-4%-6%

IV.Super Smash Attack
__70%


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Special Thanks
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Serge1228- Supporting and giving suggestions(GameFAQs)
Pokemaster252- Supporting, Pics for Costumes(GameFAQs)

[Shark X]

Didn't I see this posted somewhere already?

[TheSmashBro06]

Yes, you probably did in the "Will Sonic be a surprise character" or whatever the name was. Thought I would share it with you guys. Is that OK?

[Shark X]

No it's not okay. Now kindly die :evilgrin:

EDIT: Aww, no evil grin faces?

[TheSmashBro06]

Should I delete it then?

[Shark X]

No I was kidding -.-