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D1
05-22-2006, 04:03 PM
Who believes Nintendo's name for this latest Smash sucks? Sure a name is a name but llisten to the name of the Japanese Smash:

DAIRANTOU SMASH BROS. X

Now look at the name Super Smash Bros. Brawl! >_>

IMO Nintendo could a made a better name...like they'll change it now I know...but I just wanted to know if anyone thinks they coulda been better off maybe calling it...Super Smash Bros. X?

If you guys wanna know why I say the original name is better look at Sakurai's reason for giving this recent Smash Bros. the name: "Dairantou Smash Bros. X"

Taken from IGN.com...which quoted from the Japanese Smshbros.com website "Nintendo's Official Smash Bros. site" :

"This weeks column was apparently written immediately after Nintendo's Super Smash Bros. Brawl unveiling conference, which Sakurai, the game's director, referred to as "the secret announcement meeting." He started off his discussion of the new title with the basics. "Dairantou Smash Bros. X is in development for the Wii. The game has yet to take basic form, but we were somehow able to make the announcement."

As you've probably guessed from Sakurai's comments, the game's Japanese name is Dairantou Smash Bros. X, with the "X" being used in place of our "Brawl." The "Dairantou" part of the title is in all the Japanese Smash Bros. games in place of our "Super," and means something to the effect of "Great Fight."

Sakurai wanted to make sure and give the new game a final name prior to its announcement, for marketing/promotional purposes. "From many different directions," he explained, "We settled on Smash Bros. X. The X gives the meaning of 'Cross,' or intersection." This idea, according to Sakurai, reflects the nature of the game, be it via the impossible character crossovers, the battle on a common battlefield, or facing off against an unknown person via Online play."

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There's always/most of the time great significance behind a name. IMO by Nintendo labeling it Brawl it doesn't give off the same idea I think Sakurai originally intended.

IMO this reminds me of American companies licensing Japanese animes and watering down the series, cutting out certain things, and even sometimes changing the name of the show...in the end completely butchering the original creator's idea and making it something completely different.

Not like this smash is gonna be any worse w/ this name, just wanted an intelligent discussion concerning Nintendo just slapping the name Brawl at the end instead of coming up w/ something better.

Brawl just sounds too meh...

Disclaimer-I love the game, the chars I heard of so far, I love everything about the game, I'm just discussing the name cuz it coulda been better. Whaddya guys think?

PZX2DN4F
05-22-2006, 04:11 PM
Brawl is a nice name. It's kind of like melee, but it's Brawl. Brawl is nice.

Its-True
05-22-2006, 04:11 PM
I like the sound of Super Smash Bros. Brawl personaly

ßruK
05-22-2006, 04:11 PM
I like the game, I have my reasons, but I won't tell.

McFox
05-22-2006, 04:13 PM
Brawl is fine. It's a synonym for "fight."

ßruK
05-22-2006, 04:17 PM
And you can abbreviate it like "SSBB", which looks great......
nah, I think it's a **** good nam-o.

nomis
05-22-2006, 04:19 PM
When I think of Super Smash Bros., I don't immediately think of meaning or art. Philosophy from this game is nonexistant to me, thus the title of the game holds no significant meaning. Even the name Super Smash Bros. is childish.

Super Smash Brothers? The hell does that mean?

At least they didn't utterly butcher the name. Like if it were called SSB: Pokemon's Revenge XTREME MATCH OF THE CENTURICAL TIMELINE OF THE A.D.. Even then, all that matters is the content of the game. Title means nothing.

And Brawl was actually a good way to go. From Melee to Brawl... I'm guessing the next step is War? But Nintendo wouldn't allow that, since war is depicted negatively by some which makes it a bad marketting move.

dotdotdot!
05-22-2006, 04:20 PM
It acronyms well. SSBB is nice to look at, and it can be further shorted to 2S2B or 2SB, or my favorite: SB².

GREAT-ONE
05-22-2006, 04:21 PM
SSBB sounds fine to me. . . . . just leave it.

ihavespaceballs
05-22-2006, 04:21 PM
I think the announcer is going to sound stupid.... Dragging out the last word when you turn on SSBM sounds great because it's two sylables, but "SUPER... SMASH BROTHERS... BRAWLLLLLLLL!" just sounds off, no matter how I try to hear it. Not a good consonent/vowel ratio, maybe.

McFox
05-22-2006, 04:25 PM
SSBB is nice to look at, and it can be further shorted to 2S2B...

That's not shorter. :p

Kujirudo
05-22-2006, 04:25 PM
It will sound good, but you are not used to it at the moment.

D1
05-22-2006, 04:32 PM
Lol I don't mind brawl guys. Just saying if you read what Sakurai was trying to imply thru the name...but alas...let it be then -_-.

Lord_Deathborne
05-22-2006, 04:51 PM
It acronyms well. SSBB is nice to look at, and it can be further shorted to 2S2B or 2SB, or my favorite: SB².

How is 2S2B shortened from SSBB - it's the same number of characters.
However, I do agree that SB² is a very eye-catching acronym.

Master WGS
05-22-2006, 04:55 PM
I like S2B2.

Anyways, Brawl works for my taste. Sure, it coulda been cooler (Super Smash Bros. Deathmatch always sounded cool to me), but Brawl is fine, and it's awesome. All at once. 'Cuz that makes sense...

Resting_Fox
05-22-2006, 05:07 PM
However, I do agree that SB² is a very eye-catching acronym.

but its mathematically incorrect.

Anyway, Really Brawl makes more sense than melee, because Melee means close-combat, and that really wasn't the premise of the game. Granted the comps were programmed with more melee-based tendencies, but melee fighting wasn't the only style. Brawl is fitting because its definiteion actually makes sense.

Besides the symbolic description of X was just something Sakurai made up. Everybody knows people use X because it's a buzzword and increases anything's level of awesome tenfold.

So far we've got Megaman X, Dracula X, Generation X. I'm just waiting for Furby X to come out.

Marshy
05-22-2006, 05:09 PM
I really like Brawl. I just love saying BRAWWWWWWWWWL.

ihavespaceballs
05-22-2006, 05:16 PM
but its mathematically incorrect.

I thought you were wrong on this for a while, then realized that it needed to be (SB)² in order to come out right. Which, sadly, is longer than SSBB or 2S2B.

Resting_Fox
05-22-2006, 05:19 PM
Actually, it would have to be S^2, B^2.

SB^2 would equal SBxSB.
Anyway, how do you do those superscripts on vBulletin?

ihavespaceballs
05-22-2006, 05:35 PM
Just copy them from the Character Map. And (SB)² would work; you'd multiply it out as SBSB, then rearrange terms for aestetic purposes as SSBB. Order of multiplication alone makes no difference mathematically.

PZX2DN4F
05-22-2006, 05:39 PM
Just copy them from the Character Map. And (SB)² would work; you'd multiply it out as SBSB, then rearrange terms for aestetic purposes as SSBB. Order of multiplication alone makes no difference mathematically.
No, it wouldn't work. It would be SS+2(SB)+BB. It must be S^2, B^2, which is SS+BB.

WindGuru
05-22-2006, 05:46 PM
It's a name, people.

Although I agree with your issues, I'd much rather worry about what is in it. Think about it. Nintendo wouldn't have called their new console 'Wii' on purpose, would they?

ihavespaceballs
05-22-2006, 05:55 PM
No, it wouldn't work. It would be SS+2(SB)+BB. It must be S^2, B^2, which is SS+BB.

You're thinking too hard; you only use the FOIL method on addition within parentheses. (SB) means S*B, not S+B. So (SB)² would be the same as (SB)*(SB), which is the same as S*B*S*B. You can remove the multiplication signs because all the things involved are one letter variables, so that leaves SBSB, which I've already said can be rearranged SSBB.

PZX2DN4F
05-22-2006, 06:01 PM
You're thinking too hard; you only use the FOIL method on addition within parentheses. (SB) means S*B, not S+B. So (SB)² would be the same as (SB)*(SB), which is the same as S*B*S*B. You can remove the multiplication signs because all the things involved are one letter variables, so that leaves SBSB, which I've already said can be rearranged SSBB.
You think too little or are really stupid.
(SB)*(SB)=S*S+S*B+S*B+B*B=SS+2(SB)+BB
Look it up. It's a fact. Just ask any intelligent person, and they will answer the same as me.

ihavespaceballs
05-22-2006, 06:18 PM
You think too little or are really stupid.
(SB)*(SB)=S*S+S*B+S*B+B*B=SS+2(SB)+BB
Look it up. It's a fact. Just ask any intelligent person, and they will answer the same as me.

I'm majoring in engineering, which (surprisingly) requires quite a bit of math; believe me, I know what I'm talking about here. Unless Norway has a different method of writing things than the US, (SB)*(SB) = SBSB.

(S+B)*(S+B) would require you to multiple all the terms out, so S*S + S*B + S*B + B*B = SS + 2(SB) + BB, but SB is one term. The FOIL method you are doing is only required for binomial multiplication, and SB is not a binomial. And a monomial (is that even a word? Oh well) times a monomial always results in another monomial.

B * B = BB = B²
S * S = SS = S²
SB * SB = SBSB = (SB)²

McFox
05-22-2006, 06:27 PM
Am I the only person who realizes that this is really stupid?

PZX2DN4F
05-22-2006, 06:27 PM
I'm majoring in engineering, which (surprisingly) requires quite a bit of math; believe me, I know what I'm talking about here. Unless Norway has a different method of writing things than the US, (SB)*(SB) = SBSB.

(S+B)*(S+B) would require you to multiple all the terms out, so S*S + S*B + S*B + B*B = SS + 2(SB) + BB, but SB is one term. The FOIL method you are doing is only required for binomial multiplication, and SB is not a binomial. And a monomial (is that even a word? Oh well) times a monomial always results in another monomial.

B * B = BB = B²
S * S = SS = S²
SB * SB = SBSB = (SB)²
Lol. You're right, I messed up. How the hell did I manage to make SB*SB=SS+2(SB)+BB? It had to be (S+B)^2=SS+2(SB)+BB... I'm supposed to be good at maths.
*Note to self: Do not try to solve math late at night*

Marshy
05-22-2006, 06:29 PM
Am I the only person who realizes that this is really stupid?

No, the only reason I didn't post is because this thread really started to get confusing...

PZX2DN4F
05-22-2006, 06:32 PM
Am I the only person who realizes that this is really stupid?
This isn't stupid, just very off topic. Me trying to prove something that isn't correct is stupid.

Marshy
05-22-2006, 06:33 PM
This isn't stupid, just very off topic. Me trying to prove something that isn't correct is stupid.

If you want to talk about this, then make a new thread.

ihavespaceballs
05-22-2006, 06:34 PM
Am I the only person who realizes that this is really stupid?

No, I realize it too, but I like math, so I'm fine with debating it until I'm proven wrong or right. It's over now, anyway.

Lol. You're right, I messed up. How the hell did I manage to make SB*SB=SS+2(SB)+BB? It had to be (S+B)^2=SS+2(SB)+BB... I'm supposed to be good at maths.
*Note to self: Do not try to solve math late at night*

I knew it had something to do with you being in Norway. It's just 3:30 in the afternoon here, so I had the advantage sleep wise, lol.

Mr.Starone
05-22-2006, 06:38 PM
If you like the origional name better, then just call it Super Smash Brothers X. It's not like anyone's stopping you from doing it. If you like what Sakurai intended then just go with it and ignore the name Super Smash Brothers Brawl (that's what I do with DBZ, I just ignore most of what comes from the dub since it's so horrible).

As for the name, I actually don't care that much about it. It's cool what Sakurai intended for it but SSBB isn't that bad either.

nomis
05-22-2006, 08:18 PM
If you want to talk about this, then make a new thread.
Making a thread about (SB)^2 would be inappropriate for the board and pointless. Since the problem arised from this topic, it is only necessary to discuss it within this thread.

So unless you're joking or just adding +1 to your post count, I suggest you create a new thread about your ranting.

And my position still stands as ignored post #7.

McFox
05-22-2006, 08:24 PM
I had the shorter version at #5. :P

Marshy
05-22-2006, 08:27 PM
Making a thread about (SB)^2 would be inappropriate for the board and pointless. Since the problem arised from this topic, it is only necessary to discuss it within this thread.

So unless you're joking or just adding +1 to your post count, I suggest you create a new thread about your ranting.

And my position still stands as ignored post #7.

It doesn't really seem to matter anymore since this thread was just starting to turn around. Also, if someone posted a thread about a topic, I thought it would make sense to talk about the topic instead of just changing all together.

commonyoshi
05-22-2006, 09:01 PM
Brawl means the same thing as Melee...

Marshy
05-22-2006, 09:16 PM
Super Smash Bros. X would be a boring name. It's unoriginal, and Nintendo is trying to make everything as original as possible including the name. (Besides it's not even a bad name anyway)

D.A.
05-22-2006, 09:39 PM
Honestly I didn't like Melee when I first heard the name. And I also thought Brawl was a little weird. But if I was worried about names I wouldn't be buying a Wii in the first place.

killbeast301
05-22-2006, 10:16 PM
super smash bros. brawl is fine, super smash bros. battle would have been cooler though

Zodiak-Lucien
05-22-2006, 10:17 PM
lIMO Nintendo could a made a better name...like they'll change it now I know...but I just wanted to know if anyone thinks they coulda been better off maybe calling it...Super Smash Bros. X?
Even though Brawl isnt the best of names it sure as hell better then super smash bros X