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Marthgreil
10-20-2007, 12:06 AM
Ike isn't slow, but his moves do seem to have some amount of lag. Still, his recovery seem the be his weakest point at the moment. And his Counter seems to come out extremely fast and lasts about as long as Marth's.

Has there been any vids of Ike's Counter actually connecting? It would be interesting to see what the result is...

Well Roy's power combined with Marth's time means his counter will be Uber.

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 12:23 AM
Well Roy's power combined with Marth's time means his counter will be Uber.

Let's hope that's what it comes down to. =)

Has anyone else noticed that Ike can charge a certain move until he wants to unleash it? I've seen two videos where he charges a move and doesn't unleash it. Is this exclusive to him? Which move is it? You can see it in the Ike vs. Sonic video at Norfair at the very end.

Rockettrainer
10-20-2007, 12:35 AM
It looks very similar to Marth and Roy's standard B move. It could be Ike's Eruption move but that would mean there isn't a fire effect unless it connects with an opponent.

smashbot226
10-20-2007, 12:36 AM
Ike is slow. Not Bowser slow, mind you. Ganondorf slow. He holding a two handed sword with one hand may have something to do with that...

Still powerful though.

Marthgreil
10-20-2007, 12:36 AM
Let's hope that's what it comes down to. =)

Has anyone else noticed that Ike can charge a certain move until he wants to unleash it? I've seen two videos where he charges a move and doesn't unleash it. Is this exclusive to him? Which move is it? You can see it in the Ike vs. Sonic video at Norfair at the very end.

Where are the videos? I have not seen to many with IKe.

Conformal_Invariance
10-20-2007, 01:15 AM
Where are the videos? I have not seen to many with Ike.

He means this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc

Has anyone else noticed that Ike can charge a certain move until he wants to unleash it? I've seen two videos where he charges a move and doesn't unleash it. Is this exclusive to him? Which move is it? You can see it in the Ike vs. Sonic video at Norfair at the very end.

It's his Side+B, of which the name is unknown.

He actually does it early in the match with no charge, after he hits Sonic with an Aether.

PolarisJunkie
10-20-2007, 02:31 AM
Ike's Final Smash is absoleutly awesome! Its almost like a better version of Link's Final Smash. Ike is by far one of the most well made newcomers!

smashbot226
10-20-2007, 02:35 AM
He means this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc



It's his Side+B, of which the name is unknown.

He actually does it early in the match with no charge, after he hits Sonic with an Aether.

I call his Side B the "Ranger Dash."

I like it.

Furthermore, Ike is definitely not the most well made char. He is slow. Ganondorf slow.

Idfection
10-20-2007, 03:33 AM
Who cares? I don't mind his lack of speed at all. It's something new and awesome. He's the only char. I haven't been disappointed with, aside from bowser.

And his recovery may not be that bad, assuming his Ranger Dash is fairly useful. If it goes as far in the air as it does on the ground, without too much lag, you won't hear any complaints from me.

Flatfeet
10-20-2007, 06:00 AM
I like slow characters in Melee, I was an avid user of Roy/Ganondorf, so from what I've seen Ike looks like a nice choice for me!

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 10:09 AM
He means this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc



It's his Side+B, of which the name is unknown.

He actually does it early in the match with no charge, after he hits Sonic with an Aether.

Ah, okay.

But did you notice at the very end without about 10 seconds or so left, Ike starts charging it and never releases it? It's like an endless charge for you to unleash whenever you feel the need.

IllidR
10-20-2007, 10:41 AM
I'm really looking foward to maining Ike, most likely it will be him. Some people are saying he will be really hard to play and is a bit slow but I think they're missing some important part to his gameplay and he'd be a challenge to master. Ike will surely put up a fight.

Zink
10-20-2007, 03:21 PM
Hmm... looks like Gannondorf got his sword after all! (get it?)
I'll enjoy playing as him, if there's any of his attacks that can be sped up he'll be such a beast. Also, it's entirely possible that he's MELEE slow, but only about BRAWL average. Making him a totally pwner.

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 03:52 PM
Hmm... looks like Gannondorf got his sword after all! (get it?)
I'll enjoy playing as him, if there's any of his attacks that can be sped up he'll be such a beast. Also, it's entirely possible that he's MELEE slow, but only about BRAWL average. Making him a totally pwner.

I like how you think. ^^

LockeExe
10-20-2007, 04:07 PM
Oh man. I just seen his 'Shinkuu Aether' or his Final Smash.
And my god. It reminded me of Cloud's Omnislash.

It's my favorite Final Smash so far.

jc1sttwin
10-20-2007, 04:45 PM
Ike's FS is truly amazing to me

i like him i gonna play with him he doesn't look that slow from what i've heard from NEO

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 06:23 PM
GenG, if you would like to add the fact that Ike's Final Smash does 70% damage and pretty much KO's the opponent to the normal moves thread you can. Ike did 70-71% damage to each opponent in two videos. I think it's safe to say that's how much damage it does.

GenG
10-20-2007, 06:33 PM
FS damage is an issue belonging to the Special Moves thread, not mine :p

But I would be interested on % for the moves. I think the last vid delivers on this.

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 06:36 PM
FS damage is an issue belonging to the Special Moves thread, not mine :p

But I would be interested on % for the moves. I think the last vid delivers on this.

The creator of the special moves thread hasn't been active lately, so I decided to ask you. xP That's fine, though. I'll tell him/her. ^^

But ****... 70% and pretty much an automatic kill... It's so... Beautiful. *Wipes tear from eye*

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 06:42 PM
Really sorry for the double post but I have GOOD news. Here it is:

Okay, I'll haveta disagree with you on Ike- I've just got back from E 4 All, (Staying at a Holiday Inn rite now too >.>) and I didn't see anything wrong with Ike, albeit a little lag on moves. He's definately the strongest, and not the slowest; He's faster than Bowser, about the same speed as Link from Melee. So, yeah.

Yes! I knew he wasn't as slow as everyone depicted him to be. Melee Link speed is fine with me. ^^

RyuDragonKing
10-20-2007, 06:51 PM
Wow, I sure got quoted fast. I feel all special now ^^

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 06:55 PM
Wow, I sure got quoted fast. I feel all special now ^^

Well, I'm glad you posted that information. A lot of us have been waiting to hear from someone about Ike. ^^ Thanks.

Did you actually play as Ike or did you just see others play as him? If you did play as him, could you tell us about his grabs?

RyuDragonKing
10-20-2007, 07:00 PM
I played as Ike for almost all of my games, actually. The only other people I played as were Sonic, Samus, Mk, and Pit.

But I'm afraid I never grabbed anyone, (well, other than my friend's Fox, but he got out of it reeeaaaaally fast). All he does is grab them from what I could tell. I couldn't pull off a throw quick enough, sorry. >_<

I wish I had some videos to show you, but one of my friends(who is on these forums) who sucks at Smash and at life decided to play around with my girlfriend's camera and deleted all my vids. Not that you'd care, tho, since I was the cameraman and I was watching two matches between my girlfriend and one of my other friends. (They didn't use Ike at all) Sorry!

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 07:02 PM
I played as Ike for almost all of my games, actually. The only other people I played as were Sonic, Samus, Mk, and Pit.

But I'm afraid I never grabbed anyone, well, other than my friend's Fox, but he got out of it reeeaaaaally fast. All he does is grab them from what I could tell. I couldn't pull off a throw quick enough, sorry. >_<

Funny, because I would play as Ike, Sonic, MK, and Pit first, also. xP

That's okay. ^^ We just haven't seen Ike grab anyone yet, so we are curious.

GenG
10-20-2007, 07:02 PM
I played as Ike for almost all of my games, actually. The only other people I played as were Sonic, Samus, Mk, and Pit.

But I'm afraid I never grabbed anyone, well, other than my friend's Fox, but he got out of it reeeaaaaally fast. All he does is grab them from what I could tell. I couldn't pull off a throw quick enough, sorry. >_<

Could you notice if Ike had more of those no-flinch frames besides Aether and the forward smash?

RyuDragonKing
10-20-2007, 07:04 PM
Nah, I tend to focus more on the other players movements in Smash, so I didn't really catch Ike doing any of that, sorry.

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 07:12 PM
I've heard people say that Ike is loaded with the no flinch frames. Let's hope a lot of his moves have the ability.

Marthgreil
10-20-2007, 08:05 PM
Any video of Ike actully winning? Also, where is video of S.Aether.

What is a flinch frame? Lag?

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 08:15 PM
Any video of Ike actully winning? Also, where is video of S.Aether.

What is a flinch frame? Lag?

Right here my friend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlhwdvf_U14&NR=1

He kicks arse in this video.

Marthgreil
10-20-2007, 08:28 PM
Right here my friend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlhwdvf_U14&NR=1

He kicks arse in this video.

He does and we don't get to see his victory pose. We saw his counter in one video.

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 08:31 PM
He does and we don't get to see his victory pose. We saw his counter in one video.

Which video did you see him use counter? I wanna see it.

Marthgreil
10-20-2007, 08:40 PM
Which video did you see him use counter? I wanna see it.

Look on youtube for Ike vs. Sonic.

-Knux-
10-20-2007, 08:53 PM
I do have videos in this subforum, you know. You could just tell me which one it is there. I know which one, though. It's the one at Norfair. I only saw Ike use counter, not actually countering one of Sonic's moves.

Marthgreil
10-20-2007, 10:10 PM
I do have videos in this subforum, you know. You could just tell me which one it is there. I know which one, though. It's the one at Norfair. I only saw Ike use counter, not actually countering one of Sonic's moves.

To get an idea someone said it was as long as Marth's counter and strong as Roy's.

tennisthehilife
10-21-2007, 01:06 AM
As of now I want to main Kirby and Ike.
-I love two-handed sword style fighters from animes and videogames!
-A unique, different style sword from others so far confirmed.
-I don't care about his weaknesses, I'll hope to find ways to compensate.

Samurai style sword character (takamura) would be awesome (cmon Japan!) but might be too common (top tier) so I would still choose Ike.

Sinn
10-21-2007, 04:08 AM
Ike's Final Smash looks pretty...I like how spiking the enemy down makes them bounce high into the sky. Quite evil, I must say.

Nintendo_lord
10-21-2007, 12:40 PM
He does and we don't get to see his victory pose. We saw his counter in one video.

Look on youtube for Ike vs. Sonic.

I played as Ike at E4, and his counter is nearly exactly yhe same as Marth's.

Zink
10-21-2007, 01:04 PM
Ike's Final Smash looks pretty...I like how spiking the enemy down makes them bounce high into the sky. Quite evil, I must say.

Actually, he spikes them, then hits them up again.

Marthgreil
10-21-2007, 01:58 PM
You know if there is a threads for Special Moves, his speed, and Final Smash what do we do here? Talk about what conditioner he uses?

Nowfist
10-21-2007, 03:36 PM
Just talk about Ike in general. Like how you think he will impact low, mid, or high tier players etc.