Movement strategy?

[Zenith]

Now I suck with falco simply becuz I don't seem to understand the DI and defensive side of falco.

Can someone help me with this? I know this is a n00b question.

[jamz]

be more specific. what are u having trouble with.

[KAIYO]

Read the guides.

[Zenith]

The guides don't really cover that, they provide a few mindgames but no explanation on movement.

By movement I mean evrything you do defensively, like when your enemy is on the other side of FD and is coming in to attack, what kind of defensive approach should I take?
What should you do when neither you nor your enemy rush in to attack, what techniques could you use (not just lazerz)?

With in depth explanation, the guides help but not enough defense and non offensive stratigies

[kaiZen]

well, if my opponent was on the other side of FD and neither of us were rushing in to attack, i'd probably shl across and start up a pillar. but hey, you have a lot of options. run in, wd back and fsmash, run in, spotdodge shine. as for defensive, let them attack you, shield grabbing, wd back and forth into smashes and/or shines, if they're reckless and dash attack, shield grab them and dthrow to smash or tech chase them.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

Now I suck with falco simply becuz I don't seem to understand the defensive side of falco.

what defensive side? :p

while i guess you CAN play falco defensively, that involves mainly waiting for your opponent to make an opening and then punishing with some uber combo and taking the offensive that way. which means you need to use evasion techniques, back wd's, spot dodge, shielding, etc to make your opponent whiff an attack, then be prepared to punish it in the lag.

but isn't it just so much easier to go in offensively with SHL and shffl'd dairs blazing??

as for DI, DI'ing out of combos....uhhhh....DI to where he can't get to you. vs marth, make sure you dont DI into tipper range, because that's...uh...bad.

for DI'ing to stay alive, DI diagonally up and right, if you were hit up and left....and vice-versa, so you're always DIing perpendicular to your trajectory. you can try shining to stop your momentum as well.

...i guess SHL camping could be considered defensive...

[jamz]

say a marth rushes you SHFF away while SHLing. my sugestion is be very familar with the laser in all aspects of falcos game. so much pain comes from a tiny bee sting :chuckle:

[Miharu]

When you're not doing anything, and your opponent is on the other side of FD, you should laser them. Falco really shouldn't be standing still at all during a match, except when you're wating for an opponent to respawn.

[Zenith]

Alright then. Oh and by defensive side, well you can't stay offensive all the time.
And you can't approach with lazerz to a shffl all the time.

I've tryed lazer camping and nobody moves at all. My opponent always sheild grabs me if I rush in with lazerz. I have opponents that will rush from the other side of FD (mostly Falcon) and tech punish me if I try to escape his shffl's.

Not that my Falco stands still while defensive, I just need to know what to do besides dash dance.

So I think some defensive strats, maybe even defensive mindgames could help me a lot.

[mathos]

Unless you play an evasive/camping Falco, you don't really have a defensive stance. You always be advancing with a pillar. But you need to be need perfect with l-cancels and have wicked mindgames to stay inside them. As for DI it all depends whether you are trying to stop yourself from dying or trying to get off of a combo, and of course which particular move.

[Zenith]

Ok my Falco has improved greatly through all advice, and since I've converted to Y.

Now I need help w/ 1 of my most challenging opponents.
He plays a fast tip heavy Marth. He's always dash dancing and if I rush w/ lazers he SGs, fthrow, then a a tipped fsmash. if I go defensive he'll rush towards me untill in tipping range and if I shield through or WD backwards he'll chase me.
I can nvr SG him cuz he stays at tipping range and if I do get close enough he has another SG waiting for me.

This is a mm too, so I need to win.

[Aldwyn McCloud]

tap A, tilt attacks, Usmash, SHL, reverse SHL, shield, rolls and sidesteps. AND, most important of all, high concentration. Only attack when you're sure you'll hit you're opponent.

[jamz]

wait for ur opening. i know its not the most glorious of play, but frustrate ur opponent with lasers. a frustrated enemy will more likely to make a mistake leaving u a opening to own him. also ideally u should never be shield grabbed with falco. learn to pillar and it wont happen (ofcourse no one is perfect). it sounds to me that this marth or whoever has u figured out. mix ur play. use mindgames, i cant tell u anything more but to learn how he has reacted to ur actions and try to slip him up with some thing new, even if it seems odd.

[Zenith]

He's only played me once, and we didn't play again untill 2 months later, which was also once.
I dougt he's figured me out.

Otherwise thanx for the advise Jamz.

[bornfidelity.com]

tap A, tilt attacks, Usmash, SHL, reverse SHL, shield, rolls and sidesteps. AND, most important of all, high concentration. Only attack when you're sure you'll hit you're opponent.

or when you're sure you cant get punished for the move so you can use it as a mindgame.

vs marth, just trick him into missing an fsmash. thats all there is to it ;)

[Zenith]

Missing an fsmash, sounds difficult.
I read BF.com guide like 20x so I could understand.

i've tryed lazer camping on my lil bro who also play a nice tipping Marth. He's about half as good.
I was able to completly immobilize him w/ lazers, and grabbing as a follow up to SHL sure did help.

Is there ny combos that I can preform on Marth, so I can hold an offense?

[bornfidelity.com]

shine -> dair -> fastfall -> utilt -> follow DI to shffld uair -> follow with lasers -> fsmash while still in laserstun. Pull that against your little bro :p

[Da-Viv1.]

When I play falco I SHL the crap out of a my opponent, and when I draw him in and he trys 2 hit me, I wavedash backwards and smash forwards which usually works. I repeat this and it usually works against my opponents. That's only one suggestion though.

[jamz]

shine -> dair -> fastfall -> utilt -> follow DI to shffld uair -> follow with lasers -> fsmash while still in laserstun. Pull that against your little bro :p

that is a very effective combo :chuckle: . but in addition if u need a finisher (mid to mid-high percent) thats flashy and not too difficult, d-air while opponent is standing/running/on the ground > follow DI and SH or full jump depending on where he is > shine JCed with the control stick > b-air or d-air or whatever aerial u feel, those just work best. - courtesy of DaShizWiz for this technic SAVII :)

[Zenith]

shine -> dair -> fastfall -> utilt -> follow DI to shffld uair -> follow with lasers -> fsmash while still in laserstun. Pull that against your little bro :p

Just did it on my bro.

After that combo he was off the edge where a successful edgehopped dair connected.
We were in about the left side of FD.

Okay, I landed this combo on Marth that my bro thought was better:
dthrow, shine, dair, utilt, shffl nair, shffl nair, SHL 2x, backwards SHL (he got totally confused on that 1), shffl nair, SHL, ledgedrop, jump, dair.

That combo ended the Match, I didn't lose a single life. Now that I understand the defense.

[jamz]

ppl will tech the d-throw so dont get in a habit, except the fox :chuckle: .

[forward]

some good defensive moves are jab, cc shine/dsmash, reverse laser, dash attack (go through there sheild), and up tilt. Up tilt is by far his best defensive move, don't be afraid to turn around against your opponent just so you can up tilt. Not only does it have a ton of priority but it is fairly easy to follow up with and gain the advantage.

Other than that you just gotta know when to be defensive. It sounds like that guy is just figuring you out. Just gotta try to see the opposite. When it looks like you can rush him, you can't, cuz he is just waiting to sheild grab you. When you think you need to get away from him, get in his face, just start throwing out CC attacks, and shuffles, dash attacks, and f tilts untill you hit. You eventually see what moves to use to specifically counter things he does.

[BrTarolg]

im a big fan of playing defensive as falco - after all, whats wrong with free damage? go offensive if they come after you.

[Zenith]

ppl will tech the d-throw so dont get in a habit, except the fox :chuckle: .

I rarely use it, I mostly use bthrow at high % so I can chase em w/ lazerz.
But I usually use uthrow so the enemy will idiotically attack when I have a Sheild grab waiting for em.

When I ftilt my bro, he is usually in tipping range (but he doesn't tip, he'll wait for me to shffl then he'll use counter, then tip).
This is a problem, sometimes I shield through it and JC into a shffl, but sometimes my bro is fast enough to pull out a counter.


OK, my next problem is this crazy fast Falcon whoalways shield grabs and tech punishes.
He is fast enough to even punish me if I spot tech, so I can't techroll.
He'll shffl the knee whenever itz possible, and always lands it.
He intelligently uses the RB so he can combo me.

Lazerz are useless on him. Either he'll shield grab me, powershield em, or even SH over em.

I need major help.

[forward]

I rarely use it, I mostly use bthrow at high % so I can chase em w/ lazerz.
But I usually use uthrow so the enemy will idiotically attack when I have a Sheild grab waiting for em.

When I ftilt my bro, he is usually in tipping range (but he doesn't tip, he'll wait for me to shffl then he'll use counter, then tip).
This is a problem, sometimes I shield through it and JC into a shffl, but sometimes my bro is fast enough to pull out a counter.


OK, my next problem is this crazy fast Falcon whoalways shield grabs and tech punishes.
He is fast enough to even punish me if I spot tech, so I can't techroll.
He'll shffl the knee whenever itz possible, and always lands it.
He intelligently uses the RB so he can combo me.

Lazerz are useless on him. Either he'll shield grab me, powershield em, or even SH over em.

I need major help.

LOL LMAO dude you must play against really good people, i don't even think isai will sheild grab, powersheild, or sh over every laser.

Ok first problem he shield grabs, that means start throwing him.
Ok so he catches every tech you do, try not teching and going from there.
If he goes for the knee whenever possible punish him for that, that's called spamming a move and being predictable. Find a counter, I suggest up tilt, and re spam that ****.
If RB is the over b special you can DI it away from him.

[BrTarolg]

the easiest way to beat falcon is to chuck him off the edge and edgeguard.

[The Hanz]

lol? falco doesnt have a defensive side hes an all out attk person and if u be defensive u will get owned :laugh: