the falco's improved? (youtube)

[audreyh]

guess in the span of a day or somethin he got better my little brother got better. i'm workin on my fox.

but still, he'd like to know more things he could improve on his falco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSkQ5gfHF4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHEI_gysPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpmUNNcdqQ4

[kaiZen]

i only watched the first match but it looks like he has a general idea how to play the character. i didn't see a whole lot of SHLs, also needs to work on his L-cancelling and shine combos. try waveshining out of your shines too.

[Tin]

nice fox. decent falco.

[Crazyspik]

i like his falco! he needs to spam that SHL, other than that just L canceling. he has a good idea on falco! the foxs needs some work!

[LuCas23332]

You guys are lucky you have siblings who play and actually like this game.
My little brother (hes about to be 13) doesn't like fighting games and he doesn't like playing this game, hes one of those people who only play RPG games.

Yes he got better, just needs to work on the L-canceling timing.

Where do you guys live btw? PM me.
If you live around california maybe we can practice together sometime (Currently one month old to falco, I am just about mastering waveshining-which is the last thing I needed to learn for falco, and are ready to fight with humans instead of computers starting now)

[fearednerd]

F-smash is ur friend
it has crazy horizontal range and knock em pretty far
and if they arent dead after the smash laser em

[NJzFinest]

F-smash is ur friend
it has crazy horizontal range and knock em pretty far
and if they arent dead after the smash laser em
dont listen to him


anyways, u guys really have to work on ur l-cancel + shine. i mean, i saw alot of d-airs that werent followed up by a shine. now, i have a decent fox and falco, so i'd say u guys are below average. keep on improving!

[ntpetit]

dont listen to him


anyways, u guys really have to work on ur l-cancel + shine. i mean, i saw alot of d-airs that werent followed up by a shine. now, i have a decent fox and falco, so i'd say u guys are below average. keep on improving!

Uhh, hm. Below average, maybe if you know ALOT of people that actually visit smashboards / know wtf they are doing / care about SSBM, but deffinately way above average on the whole gaming population.

Advice: I think I agree, you need to L-Cancel + Shine out of your short hops d-airs. Another thing, I wouldnt totally agree with this dude, because I see alot of situations where you could of edgegaurded with correct positioning using a simple F-Smash(example: Video one, where Falco Shines + shorthop d-airs to kill fox) Not that I recommend smashing out of no where in the middle of a fight, but you dont need to use Reflector to edgegaurd. life would be alot easier if you positioned yourself based on where your oponent uses Fox Illusion/Falco Phantasm. They have alot of lag time exploit it.

It was cool to watch. One of the few videos I see where there isnt a blatant misuse of wavedashing( as in, both of you still dodge/roll, not just wavedash. That's rare.)

Final words: Edgegaurd alittle better, it is possible with Falco/Fox, L-Cancel Shine out of D-airs.

Good luck

[NJzFinest]

Uhh, hm. Below average, maybe if you know ALOT of people that actually visit smashboards / know wtf they are doing / care about SSBM, but deffinately way above average on the whole gaming population.

it's stupid to take into account the entire gaming population...but whatever. i really dont care.

[Silent Wolf]

I'd say they are both garbage, and I'm sure that's what foxandfalco was trying to say just in a much nicer way. Just keep practicing everything, but what I mainly saw in the 30 seconds I watched was that the falco has a hard time fast falling after hitting the fox with the dair.

[Kai_]

F-smash is ur friend
it has crazy horizontal range and knock em pretty far
and if they arent dead after the smash laser em

First post that made me laugh hella hard in a long while.

[ShizutYoMizouf]

use c stick for dair not tha a button...im guessin thatz why it wuz so slow

[NJzFinest]

use c stick for dair not tha a button...im guessin thatz why it wuz so slow
ye, c stick is better for d-air + shining. that's y i cant use falco in single player for **** lol

[Miharu]

Use c-stick for dair so you can fastfall w/ the control stick.

[BrTarolg]

your dashdancing was mostly pointless.

the dash was far too short, and wont goad anyone into anything

in order to use the dashdance effectively, you have to use the full length of the dash, <even if you have to go into the running animation and either crouch+dash back or WD back> - in that video the dash was very short and quick, and did not goad the opponent into making a mistake - all he had to do was wait for you to run near to him

falco needs to use SHL ALOT more.

falco has the advantage simply by playing defensively, and simply using the shine to defend alot to setup devastating combos on fox. there is no need at all to rush in 100%, unless he holds down his reflector <in which case you can stun his reflector using a laser and then follow up, even if you get hit by your own laser!>

edit: btw - whilst the video looked nice, and clearly showed you have some skills - it also shows quite a few other things
it seems you two play each other ALOT, and you have gotten used to each others playstyles. someone who simply rolls alot <and rolls PROPERLY> would completely wreck you - and bear in mind that is what te vast majority of people who do not know advanced techs do.

it also shows that you listen to the boards too much - stick to the simple combos to win! theres no need to so dashdance to shffled dairshine - there are MANY times when you had falco grabbed by the edge - one of the best things to do is throw up, and simply shine them as they are coming down <give or take DI> - this will send them off at a diagonal angle.

also - to get more technical there were MANY oppourtunities for ou to wall tech - its not hard, just DI towards the wall <you should be anyway!> and then press l as he hits you <falco was doing alot of dair spike> - if you really want to mix it up <and are coming from below> you can do it so that if you miss it, you will simply airdodge onto the stage, giving you another oppourtunity.

but yeah - just abuse the basic combos. falco should do ALOT more shl - > smashes or dthrow <you ARE playing nstc i can see from the falco late spike> - i liked the use of doing lots of ultilts+smashes with fox though.
try to juggle more aswell

[NJzFinest]

falco has the advantage simply by playing defensively, and simply using the shine to defend alot to setup devastating combos on fox.
wouldnt you say that falco's advantage is playing offensively because of his combos...lol

[BrTarolg]

just because you have good combos up your sleeve, doesnt mean you have to try and go out of your way to use them when you have better, simpler free damage on hand.

either way you saw the problem in the video - a few times he missed his l-cancel <perfectly fine, drill is hard to l-cancel, but thats just something he has towork on. not to mention even if you DO l-cancel you might not get away with it if youre not fast enough> - and when he did, he got grabbed.

the simplest way to avoid this as falco, is to stay in one spot, and keep lasering all day. mix it up between fastfall and non fastfalled lasers, but just keep doing it.
the moment he starts using the reflector, stop lasering, and abuse the stun the reflector gives <note that when the shine reflects a projectile, like the laser, you are stunned. strangely enough the stun of reflecting something is larger than the stun of the laser - so feel free to hit yourself with the laser at close range - yo udont even need to JC it :D>

the best way to get into a pillaring combo is probably from a downthrow <or so i think - in NSTC you can do that right? in pal you cant, and im using pal> - or if youre playing PAL <like me> then you probably want to do it after clash cancelling with him, or as a counter move out of a dash <give or take some mindgames>
either way these are all pretty defensive uses of the shines priority and speed - although, once the shine combo has started, feel free to lash out and pillar him 50%.

well either way thats just me - i suppose its up to style, but i enjoy the free damage i can get on the vast majority of characters, simply but sitting in on spot and sniping, and abusing the shine as an alternative to the shield close up.

if you ARE going to approach, approach with the lasers - theres absolutely no reason not to. either that or good ol shffled dair or nair <dash attack is best saved for juggling> - the thing is, if you use lasers, you have to worry MUCH less about mindgames, simply because of the pre-stun it gives.

[The Hanz]

yea he has decent falco , but needs to spam SHL and shffling combos with shine

he need to get a little bit quicker but other than that he a pretty good falco :chuckle:

by the way how old is he anyway?

[7ak]

']I'd say they are both garbage, and I'm sure that's what foxandfalco was trying to say just in a much nicer way. Just keep practicing everything, but what I mainly saw in the 30 seconds I watched was that the falco has a hard time fast falling after hitting the fox with the dair.

Whoa, that was pretty harsh. I was actually fairly impressed with the Falco, he's playing quite well without using enough SHL and L-cancels or shine combos. He's at the point where he's mastered the basic attacks and mechanics of the game but isn't using advanced techniques like waveshines, pillars, or much SHL. I was at the same place probably about a week ago. And he's not FF on the dair because sometimes its actually pretty effective with Falco to jump into a dair without FF and it acts more like a very fast sex kick.

[BrTarolg]

well the point is you fastfall AFTER you hit with it.

TBH, it doesnt matter alot of the time if you dont ff it, but sometimes it does.

[NJzFinest]

Whoa, that was pretty harsh. I was actually fairly impressed with the Falco, he's playing quite well without using enough SHL and L-cancels or shine combos.

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He's at the point where he's mastered the basic attacks and mechanics of the game but isn't using advanced techniques like waveshines, pillars, or much SHL.
if he only has basic techs down, how are u impressed? (btw, he doesnt have them all down).
just because you have good combos up your sleeve, doesnt mean you have to try and go out of your way to use them when you have better, simpler free damage on hand.

cant win with just SHL spam if that's what you mean (which i assume you dont, so please elaborate).

the simplest way to avoid this as falco, is to stay in one spot, and keep lasering all day. mix it up between fastfall and non fastfalled lasers, but just keep doing it.
never stay in one spot with falco and never dont mix it up. you should always be moving with SHLs and RSHLs and almost always on the appoarch.

the best way to get into a pillaring combo is probably from a downthrow.
wat?...how about a SHL appoarch...
i never seen the downthrow used for setup up a pillar (because it doesnt). on fox, it's best to down throw + dsmash and that's it. keep it fox can still shine or jump away fromt he downthrow. starting a pillar would be to slow.

[Rock Lobsta]

in the first video, at the time 1:49 or 50 , after the falco combo'd him, the falco landed too far away from the fox. You should have wavedashed to himand you would have been set up for another combo like that. But since you didnt, you got raped for it.

So just work on that.

oh and and at the end of the first one, how did you do the b air edgeguard? down and y at the same time then bair? or do you use a different method because I can never land on the stage from a bair like that.

[7ak]

Okay FoxandFalco maybe "impressed" wasn't the right word but at least the Falco was competently attacking, spiking, and throwing some simple combos together. Thats a lot more than can be said of 95% of all people who play SSBM. The way he plays I can tell he understands the game but just cant pull off the hard tech yet.

[audreyh]

yea he has decent falco , but needs to spam SHL and shffling combos with shine

he need to get a little bit quicker but other than that he a pretty good falco :chuckle:

by the way how old is he anyway?


he's 14, but he's only been playing for a few months, me half a year

[xelad1]

guess in the span of a day or somethin he got better my little brother got better. i'm workin on my fox.

but still, he'd like to know more things he could improve on his falco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSkQ5gfHF4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHEI_gysPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpmUNNcdqQ4

more shls
shffled aerials into wavedashes to dairs... these can rape fox
just generally more everything

i would say the fox is much better, i guess if thats you playing you just seem to have a better general grasp of playing, your brother mildly improved though it seemd that he got worse over the progression of these videos. just have him drill himself against level ones, simple stuff like wavedashing back and forth across the stage, waveshining repeatedly, l- cancelling into shines/wavedashes, shling into sffled aerials all that stuff needs more work.

also is there anyway you can get some actual recording equipment or at least raise the game volume all that controller clicking makes me feel like the falco is probably worse than he really is

[ShizutYoMizouf]

BrTarolg no offense dude but ur postz are makin my stomach hurt, a lot of that stuff iz horribly wrong...

[W.Jr]

The video was ok.

[xelad1]

he's 14, but he's only been playing for a few months, me half a year

Time is nothing... as soon as you get the basic techs down pat you become in a league of your own. I've been playing this game since it came out but only started paying attention to basic techs about a year ago when i discovered the JGTs and smashboards both kind of at the same time, and i literally thought that what bombsoldier and ken did was magic ( i had no idea how falco flew across the stage spamming lasers i was utterly horrified).

then i read up and learned how to shl but stopped and now about a year later i picked the game up again with renewed interest and have been practicing/using advanced techs for about 2 months. im better from those 2 months of play then i was for a full 2-3 years. just have your brother practice, soon many of the things that seemed so hard to do will be engraved in his muscle memory.

in my opinion advanced techs aren't the hard part... its playing against a real person and being able to use mindgames effectively, you can't accomplish that with just simple practice it really involves some quick thinking on your part.