As a Falco who do you Fear, and why?

[Volasko]

Its that time again, its a few days before a tournament and I am left thinking about counterpicks and options for various matchups. So I ask this question, assuming equal advanced skill levels( ie I know what I am doing for each char) who would u rather not face. A good Marth, Fox, Ganon, Luigi, or Link, or even Falco ditto. These are my mains and I still really havnt figured a way of dealing with falcos. Its way too late to start a new char to counter falcos so I ask what you guys feel is a hard match up. If you can give specific reasons, counterpick levels, and moves to do to support your descion. This would be very helpful !!!!

I have always used my marth(most experienced char) but have an EXCEEDINGLY hard time with SHLs and that approach. My problem is that i dont have the chance to practis against them so it throws me off very easily. I have been really pushing my space animals lately so I have been thinking fox. Anyways discuss.

[Pysko]

For me being a Falco player it would have to be Pickachu that gives me trouble. Pikachu's down a on the ground is haed to escape from most times and her up a in the air is annoying since Falco is a fast faller. The level that really gets me when facing a Pikachu is BattleField just because of the platforms and a good Pikachu player can chain there combos good on those types of levels with platforms. But hey this is just me may seem odd to some people but if you want to beat me pick Pikachu but dont if you know how to play with him/her. I mean a real good Pickachu player can give me some trouble so thats all.

[Double N Dann]

I think if marth is your most experienced character, go with him. lasers? powershield, it's easy. i play falco as my main and my bro samusexplorer can sometimes really rape me with marth, and he only plays marth like twice a month. and fox, I don't think you should go with fox, because i LOVE fighting foxes. they get comboed SO nicely by falco and on platform stages... rape to death so easily (and foxxxxy can't chaingrab falco on those stages). all those other chars are kind of (sh!tty) lame and if you're facing an experienced falco they will prolly know the falco mirror match better than you, and win.

so, I'm saying go with marth. don't act so unconfident, either. just kcuf those lasers, run in, and grab!

[Dice]

Volasko, add me on msn and I'll hook you up with Locke)'s msn, he can handle falcos pretty nicely.

msn - mitch_guitar@hotmail.com

[Kai_]

With your situation, Marth would very easily be your best choice. Chaingrab into tipper kills falco. Just be a little careful at FD.

[MajinMojo]

Well personally I'd say that Falco dittos are by far the most frustrating ditto matchup possible. Though if we are assuming equal skill of players then a Falco ditto can turn into a real crapshoot simply because Falco can deal with Falco quite easily.

Judging by the other characters you listed I'd say Luigi. He's harder to combo with Falco than a lot of the other characters you listed and he's got pretty damaging moves to fast fallers.

[FalseFalco]

Well generally noone can counter Falco but you just need to learn how to avoid rushes and get him off the edge it seems.

These days Ganon gives me way more trouble than Marth.

Usually any character with a good roll can trade hits rather than eat lasers.

[bornfidelity.com]

(I'm getting ****ed over by IC's a lot it seems ;_|)

Falco likes to play Fox. But Fox likes to play Falco as well.
Falco vs Fox on FD is hilarious. Waveshine combos on Fox = free 60%, chainthrowing on Falco = free LOTS of %. Hella funny. Anyway, only play Falco dittos if you know what you're doing, because they're pretty ****ed up dittos for real.
So, Marth? EVERYone techs those fsmashes nowadays. And lasers do **** up Marth. But hell you have chainthrowing... If Marth is your best character, just stick with him, I'd say. Unless you're very confident with Fox, and know how tp play a Falco with Fox.

Chars like Link or Luigi - I don't know... good players **** them up real easily.

[JBM falcon08]

Go with Marth, your best counterpick stages would be FD, FOD, YS(can kind of be an equal match due to the fact you can kill each other at 50%. Falco can be really hard to handle depending on the playing style, any aggressive falco is hard to play due to the fact that they are so pillar happy, but just play defensive and rely on shield grabs and such, easy way to deal with falcos who can't tech edges would be getting one toward the edge, D-throw, most likely they will phantasm, standard A slash, they will have to firebird upward and that leaves you to a short hopped dair= death.

[Volasko]

Hmm great advice, Im liking the idea of ganon.... though ill probably start off with my boi marth and go from there. Thanks for such quick responses.... this falco section knows where its at lol!!

[bornfidelity.com]

Go with Marth, your best counterpick stages would be FD, FOD, YS(can kind of be an equal match due to the fact you can kill each other at 50%. Falco can be really hard to handle depending on the playing style, any aggressive falco is hard to play due to the fact that they are so pillar happy, but just play defensive and rely on shield grabs and such, easy way to deal with falcos who can't tech edges would be getting one toward the edge, D-throw, most likely they will phantasm, standard A slash, they will have to firebird upward and that leaves you to a short hopped dair= death.

I don't think Yoshi's Story is a good stage for marth, altho a lot of Marth players like to pick it. Falco's worst advantage of all - suckass recovery - is almost negated here (same reason Onett is such a great Falco stage). And it's GOOD comboing on those platforms. A lot better than say, Battlefield. (altho Marth does have tippers through the platforms. Well live with it :p)
Most Falcos tech fsmashes nowadays btw.
FD is cute but a good lasering Falco can stop you wherever you go (including anywhere in the air) and go from there. FoD is good, no laser spam or shffl spam for Falco and good openings for Marths fsmash.
Falco likes PokeStadium as well, it's got the open width of FD but with the platforms to prevent the awful chaingrabbing. So don't go there as Marth either. If you like Dreamland 64, it's a good stage. that covers about all of the regular stages. What unusual stages do you like to play on?

...what the hell am I doing advising AGAINST Falco. well whatever. :p

EDIT: lasers stop the slow Ganon a LOT and Ganon gets comboed to hell by Falco. Altho g-man's powerful moves DO take the worst advantage of Falco's suck-recovery.

[NJzFinest]

wtf @ fearing pikachu


...wtf @ this thread

anyways, if ur falco...you should not fear about any character...seriously.
name one match up he's bad in...what's that? none, exactly.

[JBM falcon08]

IMO he does have a rough time with sheik, due to her killer dash attack to F-air, and falcos not so good recovery onto the stage once that happens. She is very easily put in pillar combos, but still her needles seem to cause lots of trouble vs falco on the edge.

[NJzFinest]

IMO he does have a rough time with sheik, due to her killer dash attack to F-air, and falcos not so good recovery onto the stage once that happens. She is very easily put in pillar combos, but still her needles seem to cause lots of trouble vs falco on the edge.
are you kidding me? everyone has a problem with sheik's edge guard. sheik cant combo falco well at all since he's a fast faller however falco can start any huge combo starting at 0% on sheik. also, um, lasers and d-air rape sheik's appoarch.
if you worry so much about falco's recovery, dont use falco since u must suck and always get throw off the stage.

[McRustyJr]

i kinda have to go w/ dis ***** foxandfalco on this one. if anything comes close, its tho IC.

[bornfidelity.com]

damm those ice climbers ;_;

[Coen]

For me being a Falco player it would have to be Pickachu that gives me trouble. Pikachu's down a on the ground is haed to escape from most times and her up a in the air is annoying since Falco is a fast faller. The level that really gets me when facing a Pikachu is BattleField just because of the platforms and a good Pikachu player can chain there combos good on those types of levels with platforms. But hey this is just me may seem odd to some people but if you want to beat me pick Pikachu but dont if you know how to play with him/her. I mean a real good Pickachu player can give me some trouble so thats all.

Seriously. From my own experience and what I've heard from pictish, Falco is Pikachu's worst matchup.

[Volasko]

Heh Im not learning the climbers. Ok so I am going with my OG boy Marth for these match ups(back to CGing training), and then Ganon if I am having trouble. Now I ask for any level picking advice, its between YS, FoD, BF or Mute City. YS and FoD for thier small plat forms and BF and Mute City for thier ledges, thus easy edge gaurding. I personally love mute city and play it all the time, the problem is that when it isnt stopped at one of the predetermined spots the platform is just flat, thus SHL will become a problem. Though it really is easy edgegaurding because there isnt a lip to sweetspot. Anyways what stages would you Falco boys hate to play on and why? I am also up for any other stages that you guys feel you have a hard time on.

Anyways quick responses would be greatly apprieciated as this tourney is tommorow!! Though you guys have been great about that anyways.

[NJzFinest]

Anyways what stages would you Falco boys hate to play on and why? I am also up for any other stages that you guys feel you have a hard time on.

fountain of dreams and yoshi story because they dont give enough spacing for SHL appoarches, then again, it's even easier to combo on these stages and falco cant be chain grabbed here. you should completely LOVE corneria, FD, pokemon stadium and dreamland 64.
ur a falco player, relax, no stage nor character should be a problem. it comes down to ur experience and skill as a player and nothing more.

[Gray]

What about doc? I think he's the closest thing to a counter falco has since you can't combo him well and the cape is a great defense against SHL. Plus cape edgeguarding and chainthrowing.

[humBAM]

Doc is actually easy to combo.. dair uptilt combos...

the only bad matchup for falco is Iceclimbers..

[FalseFalco]

I dont think any Falco player really likes FoD because of the no lasers, but it's not that bad of a stage if you can play without lasers XD.

[bornfidelity.com]

^ true that. bair ftw.

[V3ctorMan]

Ditto users or Marth users are the most difficult

[Zander805]

There aren't any true Falco counters.

Ice Climbers and Luigi are my toughest matchups... Although I am getting better at playing Luigi because I play with Ultra Luigi often. I dunno, Ice Climbers aren't that bad if you Shine like crazy, don't mess up on L-Cancelling, and knock out Nana early. I know of two insane Ice Climber players, and if they get a grab off, I lose a stock.

Mario is up there as well, just because a good Mario player will rape Falco with the Cape.

[mathos]

A falco played right shouldn't fear any particular character. Your style may need to switch dramatically depending on the play style of the opponent, but Falco has the potential to dominate any character in the game.

[NJzFinest]

... Although I am getting better at playing Luigi because I play with Ultra Luigi often. .
ur so freakin lucky lol
Falco has the potential to dominate any character in the game.
YES SIR! :)

[Fox McClowd]

A falco played right shouldn't fear any particular character. Your style may need to switch dramatically depending on the play style of the opponent, but Falco has the potential to dominate any character in the game.

couldn't agree more.

[Zander805]

Hahaha, FoxandFalco, you must know how annoying it is to face a good Luigi! You can't combo them, lasers don't work that well, they come back to the stage from anything, and you can't edgegaurd them. That's why I said it's one of my toughest matchups, but, like I said, it is getting easier for me.

But ya, Mathos pretty much said it all...

[BrTarolg]

personally i would "fear" an EXPERIENCED marth the most

a marth who knows his matchups, combo setups, different combo%'s and actually USES proper spacing and DI - it doesnt matter the technical level - these are the kind of marths which simply punish the simplest mistakes you make.

[bornfidelity.com]

Hahaha, FoxandFalco, you must know how annoying it is to face a good Luigi! You can't combo them, lasers don't work that well, they come back to the stage from anything, and you can't edgegaurd them. That's why I said it's one of my toughest matchups, but, like I said, it is getting easier for me.

But ya, Mathos pretty much said it all...

edgeguarding luigi. aim lasers and keep hitting until he's at stagelevel, edgehog, if he gets close enough anyway he'll use upB onto the stage, anticipate by pressing up (stepping on stage) + dsmash. edgeguaaaaard ^^
comboing with utilt is possible btw.

[mathos]

Actually you don't want to hit Luigi with lasers as he is coming back, unless he is charging his overb for a large one. If the Luigi is just using short overb and you're hitting him with lasers you're just giving him more opportunities for a misfire. Just stay on the edge and wait for the edgeguard/hog.

[ChozenOne]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned peach as a "feared opponent"... D-Smash. And a good peach, who knows how to play against falco rapes his recovery with turnips+float... Not to mention chaingrab when they pick the stage >_< Besides... floaty=hard to combo.

ChozenOne Out.

[bornfidelity.com]

Actually you don't want to hit Luigi with lasers as he is coming back, unless he is charging his overb for a large one. If the Luigi is just using short overb and you're hitting him with lasers you're just giving him more opportunities for a misfire. Just stay on the edge and wait for the edgeguard/hog.

If you're good at aiming your lasers he'll just keep dropping lower & lower because you hit him in his sideB startup lag. low enough for you to edgehog = instant KO.

Edit: Peach? Well, screw Peach. That's somewhat even I'd say. It's not that she can't be combo'd well, she just can't be combo'd well with shine at mid%-high%. utilt is your friend.
ok so your recovery gets raped. so what? that's against 50% of all opponents. dsmash and laser equal eachother out. floating over laser = often free usmash for you (usmashs hitbox is underestimated a LOT) etc.

[Zodiak-Lucien]

I dont play a falco, but I have fought many of them. Falco gets air combod incredibly easy with luigi. I can sometimes get 4 hits in the air chaining bair, bair, jump bair bair. Ganon also does well against falco's, as long as your are in a level where falco can spam those **** lasers. The Dair punishes them tremediously, falcos are also one of the easiest to spike. Fox on Falco matches I consider pretty much equal.

[bornfidelity.com]

Ganon does well as long as Falco can't spam lasers?
Well that's the problem for Falco, he can spam lasers everywhere.
Hell I even spam lasers on FoD.
Falco with good mindgames > any Ganon. Because all Ganon has on Falco is mindgaming.

Luigi seems awfully vulnerable in the air to laser -> fsmash.

[The Hanz]

for me i really dont fear anyone execpt a sickening good marth

everyone else i slaughter like lion against a fat rabbit :laugh: (and im the lion)

[JBM falcon08]

are you kidding me? everyone has a problem with sheik's edge guard. sheik cant combo falco well at all since he's a fast faller however falco can start any huge combo starting at 0% on sheik. also, um, lasers and d-air rape sheik's appoarch.
if you worry so much about falco's recovery, dont use falco since u must suck and always get throw off the stage.

lol, no i don't suck i'm the best falco/marth in Iowa, at the time i posted this it was when i was first going against sheik, if i can think of any counters against falco it is luigi, peach(IMO, not so much anymore but still having troubles) and ICs, due to their grab combos.

[bornfidelity.com]

lol, no i don't suck i'm the best falco/marth in Iowa, at the time i posted this it was when i was first going against sheik, if i can think of any counters against falco it is luigi, peach(IMO, not so much anymore but still having troubles) and ICs, due to their grab combos.

you posted it when you were first going against sheik?

so
you're the best falco player in iowa
but up until last week you have never play against a sheik?

i wouldnt want to live in iowa >_>'

[JBM falcon08]

you posted it when you were first going against sheik?

so
you're the best falco player in iowa
but up until last week you have never play against a sheik?

i wouldnt want to live in iowa >_>'
No, i've played sheiks more than that, but like i said i main as marth/falco, in that order and i don't really go to falco against sheik because i'm confident to go as marth against her, so i don't have so much experience against her, i don't find her much of a problem anymore, considering pillar combos pwn her pretty badly, but mainly its just peach and the ICs who i'm having trouble dealing with.