The Official Solid Snake Discussion Thread

[colbusman]

i really don't understand why melee was given a T rating when it had the exact same element as ssb64, until i saw peach and zelda...up their skirts...

well, who knows. i mean shadow the hedgehog had tons of swaring in it, but was still rated E10.

[Deathlock09]

twin snakes was the best i don't care what anyone else says

[xianfeng]

i really don't understand why melee was given a T rating when it had the exact same element as ssb64, until i saw peach and zelda...up their skirts...

well, who knows. i mean shadow the hedgehog had tons of swaring in it, but was still rated E10.
SSBM had a G8+ rating not T

[colbusman]

where you live, but in the us, it was rated T.

snake ftw!

[Zombie Cola]

We have a differetn rating system than you xian.

[xianfeng]

meh, you rate things too high and you live in the past.

Snake FTW!

[primusfan]

No. Just no. Things aren't rated too high and we don't live in past. I just wanted to clarify that.

[The Basement Dweller]

People ignore ratings anyway. The you must be 17 or older to buy an M rated game is never enforced.

[Zombie Cola]

People ignore ratings anyway. The you must be 17 or older to buy an M rated game is never enforced.


Ehh... I worked for EB Games for a year and a half (right up until that God awful merger) and I can gurantee that yes, people DO pay attention to who they sell the games to, because fines are a hassle, ESPECIALLY when they come out of your paycheck.

[Marth05]

I remember I couldn't rent a game at BlockBuster because it was rated A for adults, stupid ratings.

[The Basement Dweller]

Well where I live nobody cares.

[primusfan]

Thats interesting because I read that Blockbusters don't carry AO games.

[Zombie Cola]

Well where I live nobody cares.


Good for you.

[colbusman]

let's get back on topic please.

snake will pawn in brawl!
Snake ftw!

[xianfeng]

No. Just no. Things aren't rated too high and we don't live in past. I just wanted to clarify that.
Where you are it is the 21st of august correct well where I am it is the 22nd so you are in the past :P or am I in the future?

And ok you don't rate things too high you just have a different rating system than we do.

[Neonach]

It would be cool to have his B> special be a Grab/Choke move..kind of like Bowser's grab and bite move, but you could only do it to players facing away from you. You would be able to drag them of course, opening up a strategy of using other players as meat shields.

I wouldn't be surprised seeing a move like this because Sakurai said they didn't want him using realistic guns.

[icymatt]

Yes, but they said they were going to use explosives. So those will likely comprise his entire special moveset.

[shinehex]

Stun grenade, C4, and mines come to mind when I think about snakes B moves.

[tirkaro]

He shouldn't and won't smoke because Smoking is stupid and Nintendo is a family friendly console so none of that nonsense.

oh c'mon. only one way nintendo could replace the cigarette. with a LOLIPOP!

[Marth05]

Thats interesting because I read that Blockbusters don't carry AO games.

They probably changed it, but this happened like 5 years ago so yeah, btw the game was "Duke Nukem."

[BAR]

i hope that they put the nija grey fox from metal gear as a hidden character

[Neonach]

Yes, but they said they were going to use explosives. So those will likely comprise his entire special moveset.


So just cuz they said they're using explosives you automatically assume they will comprise all of his special moves? I seriously doubt that.

[Zombie Cola]

So just cuz they said they're using explosives you automatically assume they will comprise all of his special moves? I seriously doubt that.

No he was saying that that special doesn't make sense. He is using explosives as specials and I don't think anyone wants a special that forces you to be behind a characer for it to work, that instantly makes his smash B useless.

[icymatt]

Well, I assume so because explosives seem more 'special' than just random physical attacks, unless they have some sort of special property added to them...like setting yourself on fire.

[Eaode]

Mewtwo has an attack that forces you to be facing him. An attack that onl;y works on an enemy turned away would be very interesting. Imagine a professional match, and the whole thing is very suspensfull, then all of a sudden the opponent SHFFL's in front of snake,m so his back is facing him. And snake uses >B on the opponent and the crowd cheers.

[Neonach]

No he was saying that that special doesn't make sense. He is using explosives as specials and I don't think anyone wants a special that forces you to be behind a characer for it to work, that instantly makes his smash B useless.

Mewtwo has a special that requires your opponent to be facing you. You just have to have good timing to use moves like that effectively. It wouldn't be useless.

[Neonach]

Mewtwo has an attack that forces you to be facing him. An attack that onl;y works on an enemy turned away would be very interesting. Imagine a professional match, and the whole thing is very suspensfull, then all of a sudden the opponent SHFFL's in front of snake,m so his back is facing him. And snake uses >B on the opponent and the crowd cheers.

You beat me to the punch on the Mewtwo comparison. It's nice to see someone agree with my idea, though. ^__^

[Zombie Cola]

You beat me to the punch on the Mewtwo comparison. It's nice to see someone agree with my idea, though. ^__^

Right, there is a reason Mewtwo is bottom tier, he sucks...plain and simple, plus this doesn't change the fact that the move you are speaking of sounds more like a basic throw than a special.

[Neonach]

Right, there is a reason Mewtwo is bottom tier, he sucks...plain and simple, plus this doesn't change the fact that the move you are speaking of sounds more like a basic throw than a special.

Just because Mewtwo is bottom tier doesn't mean all of his moves suck. :P


..and I think the ability to use an enemy as a temporary shield makes it a little more useful than a basic throw.

[Zombie Cola]

But you have to take into account the technical aspect of an attack, what would the REALISTIC priority be? What about the range he grabs from? Start-up time? I can see this attack working if its a kind of mix of DK's forward throw (guerilla tactics) but it would need more range and some more detail.

[Eaode]

Just because mewtwo is bottom tier doesn't mean you can't pull and idea from one of his moves. He's bottom tier, because he's slow, light, and big.

[icymatt]

Besides, tiers don't matter to everyone in the world, especially me.

[Neonach]

But you have to take into account the technical aspect of an attack, what would the REALISTIC priority be? What about the range he grabs from? Start-up time? I can see this attack working if its a kind of mix of DK's forward throw (guerilla tactics) but it would need more range and some more detail.

It would work like Bowser's B> slash move..only you would be choking your enemy a number of times unless that character can escape fast enough. Oh...and the ability to drag them in different directions for defensive purposes. You'd obviously move pretty slow while dragging them, but you would still turn around rather quickly if say, you were being attacked by Fox's laser.

[tirkaro]

why whould snapping peoples necks be snakes B> move? everyone knows it would be his Z move.

[Neonach]

why whould snapping peoples necks be snakes B> move? everyone knows it would be his Z move.

Z move? Is that the new super move?


That would work too.. XD

[Zombie Cola]

What you aren't understanding is that the move SUCKS, the startup costs too long, the effects aren't great enough and it can be easily reflected. Don't get me started on how utterly weak he is.... but this is all beside the point. I have been a MG fan forever, and I'll be ****ed if they are gonna pull parts of his moveset from bottom tier characters, especially one that is too hard to use with no pay off. Now, as I said before, it could be cool if properly executed, and only with a very high priority, and only if it doesn't have some ridiculous cool down that costs you smash to the face if you happen to miss.

And Z is a throw......

[tirkaro]

Z move? Is that the new super move?


That would work too.. XD

Im talking about a throw -_-....
EDIT: as ZC said.

[Eaode]

Nobody pulled the move from mewtwo. It was simply said that you would probably need to be behind the person, and a refernce was made to mewtwo's vB. So your rant about Snake being pulled down to bottom tier because of one reference to mewtwo is, in its entriety, irrelevant

[Zombie Cola]

Right, well that wasn't the gist of my rant, it was that the attack is stupid, and isn't a special, it's a throw. Secondly, tis attack, whether you agree or not, IS in fact pulled from (as stated above) Mewtwo and Bowsers moves, both of the moves this is being derived from are horrible/useless. Thirdly, at the risk of repeating myself, the move is STUPID, every character in the game can grab you, and then they can hit A and punch/kick you to deal extra damage, why would you want his THROW of all things to be limited to a rear facing character?! It's a horrible idea, this isn't a sneaking game, it's melee. Now am I saying that his sneaking abilities won't be used at all? No absolutely not, in fact it appears already that either his walk will be a creeping motion, (or maybe its the start up of an attack) but to give him a move that requires a rear facing opponent is just pointless.

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[Neonach]

If it was a special, it would naturally do more damage than a throw. Plus, Snake wouldn't even throw the character, it would end with a neck snap. :D