How to Shine out of Shield, and Attack Out of Shine

[Artmastercorey]

Hi, I know you can jump out of shield and shine, but I was wondering just how exactly you do it. When i press the jump botton and shine immedatly out my shield, i cant seem to stay on ground no matter how fast i do it, it always ends up being a short hop shine. Also for attacking out of shine, do you have to wavedash downward first then attack? Thanks, all

[Dark_Fire]

You're doing it right it's just that you're not doing it fast enough. Before Fox jumps there are 4 frames inbetween when you press x or y and when you actually jump. During those 4 frames you need to press down b. If you don't do it fast enough you'll just end up doing a short hop before shining.

It's a lot easier to do it with Falco then to do it with Fox...but if you can get the timing down, more power to you.

By attacking right after shining I think you're talking about the"waveshine." To waveshine you need to down b and wavedash towards them. People usually follow up with upsmash, grab or shine their opponent again depending on the situation.

[Doraki]

you have to do it exactly on the 4th frame.. you just need to get faster.. I just double jump out of it though..

[Artmastercorey]

Ah I see thanks guys. But also I was saying attacking out of a shine. Like doing an up smash right out of a shine, i think i saw awhile back someone did it really fast. But when I wavedash downward after a shine and press up on c-stick it comes out too slow. Any suggestions? Thanks

[Dark_Fire]

Ah I see thanks guys. But also I was saying attacking out of a shine. Like doing an up smash right out of a shine, i think i saw awhile back someone did it really fast. But when I wavedash downward after a shine and press up on c-stick it comes out too slow. Any suggestions? Thanks

Like I said before, just wavedash towards them after shining and use an attack. Don't wavedash downward, wavedash towards them.

[Artmastercorey]

But Im trying to do it while standing still not moving.

[Vulpine51]

The problem there is that when you hit someone with the shine they're going to be moving away from you (you should know this). So im not sure what the point of smashing out of a shine without moving would be, other than doing a move that would look cool.

[Eggz]

Actually he is referring to jump cancelling moves out of shine.

You can JC things like usmash and grab out of shine. All you do is shine, then immediatly use the control stick to do an upsmash.

1 Shine using control stick
2 Do an usmash at though you were jump cancelling it (because you are)
3 Success

[Dalal]

you have to do it exactly on the 4th frame.. you just need to get faster.. I just double jump out of it though..

Are you serious Doraki? You have to do it EXACTLY on the 4th frame? Meaning your timing has to be accurate to the 1/60th of a second.

But to answer your question artmastercorey, I'd say you should slide your finger from Y to B to do the shine out of shield. It's the best way. It's okay to slide your finger over A as long as you do it fast enough. About the attack out of shine, I'd say it's best to wavedash to catch up to the opponent and then attack. No point in doing a standing (JC'd) attack, if you've shined them.

[controlfreak7]

Are you serious Doraki? You have to do it EXACTLY on the 4th frame? Meaning your timing has to be accurate to the 1/60th of a second.

But to answer your question artmastercorey, I'd say you should slide your finger from Y to B to do the shine out of shield. It's the best way. It's okay to slide your finger over A as long as you do it fast enough. About the attack out of shine, I'd say it's best to wavedash to catch up to the opponent and then attack. No point in doing a standing (JC'd) attack, if you've shined them.

Actually there is two uses for it:

1. Lets assume you shffl l canceled then shined, but the knock back for your shffl aerial sent your opponent too far to be shined. Then they dash towards you or w/e they do thinking that they could get you before you try to eliminate the lag of the shine so as they are dashing towards you or something u just u-smash them out of the shine. A good mindgame to make it look like you are going to suffer from the lag of the shine.

2. You can actually shine to u-smash and hit your opponent with it you just have to do it fast enough. Here is a vid of BF.com vs Coen to show you.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=79330

It happens in the first match from about 2:24 to 2:26

[krazyzyko]

Use the C-stick to JC the shield to shine, it's easier.

......later

[Lixivium]

Hmm...the way I always thought you had to do it was to Shine, then immediately push Up on both the analog and the C-stick at the same time. The same as if you were doing a JC Up-Smash out of a dash.

2. You can actually shine to u-smash and hit your opponent with it you just have to do it fast enough. Here is a vid of BF.com vs Coen to show you.
Coen could do that because he shined out of a dash. When you do that Fox keeps sliding forward so you can hit with an Up-Smash. You couldn't do this if you shine after a SHFFL'ed aerial unless there was a wall behind your opponent.

[Kirakitsune]

About shining out of the dash, do you have to dash cancel first, because I can't get the shine to immediately come out while i'm running. I slide a bit first then my shine comes out.

And the shffl aerial thing: He meant that if you shffl'd an aerial and you missed the shine. Then your opponent tries to dash in to take advantage of your 'whiff' and you upsmash them.

[Silent Wolf]

Use the C-stick to JC the shield to shine, it's easier.
True.
About shining out of the dash, do you have to dash cancel first, because I can't get the shine to immediately come out while i'm running. I slide a bit first then my shine comes out.
True. This is why I'm at a disability for mainly being able to shine shdl in place of plain old shdl, but ppl say im lucky i can do that stuff, so i do it. its not that bad for me, shdl is pretty much pointless.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

Are you serious Doraki? You have to do it EXACTLY on the 4th frame? Meaning your timing has to be accurate to the 1/60th of a second.
yes. that's why cancelling into a shine is so much harder than cancelling into a usmash or grab. otherwise infinite jc'ed shine would be much more doable =p

About shining out of the dash, do you have to dash cancel first, because I can't get the shine to immediately come out while i'm running. I slide a bit first then my shine comes out.
if you wish to do the shine after the initial dash animation ends (and you're actually running), you can easily do it, just press down+b and you'll dash-cancel into shine.

however if you want to do it during the initial "burst of speed + dust" dash animation, you're going to need to "jumpcancel" the dash into the shine. which is basically the same thing as getting shine out of shield--you only have a one-frame window. so i don't reccomend doing that.

if you really want to shine your opponent from that close, just wd to them instead and shine.

unless you're trying the shine->jc'ed usmash thing, which requires a dash, in which case...well....dont try =x

[FastFox]

Oh wow, I thought this was Melee Disc. for a minute.

I personally u-smash out o f my shield using the control stick and A, but that's what I do everything with. It all comes down to personal preference.

[Silent Wolf]

Ive been trying it out (usmash out of shield) by flicking the c-stick upwards twice really fast, its actually really easy, but other methods are easy too so theres really no point in changing methods i suppose.:D