Edge Tech Consistency

[Dalal]

I had a little practice session today with my brother in which I tried to master edge teching. Basically, I had Falco (my brother) up on the left edge of Final Destination, and I would jump off the ledge with Fox and try to recover using my Up+B. Falco would down-smash me as soon as I reached the ledge, and I would try to edge tech.

I read somewhere that if you hold R after you're halfway through your firefox, the tech will take place automatically. I tried this out, and got at most 4 edge techs in a row. Sometimes I would edge tech a move without the walljump, and then firefox up again and edge tech a second time. It was pretty fun, until I started getting frustrated. An edge tech would work once, then when I try for a second time, it would fail, even though both times I had held R at almost the same time, and Falco had smashed at around the same time. What was going on? Is there some other factor that could screw up edge teching besides the timing of the R button? Now I have a feeling I don't understand everything that I should about edge teching, so I have a few questions:

1. When exactly do you begin holding R when in your firefox?

2. As long as I'm near a ledge, does the vertical distance from the ledge affect the likelihood of being able to edge tech?

3. What other factors can affect edge teching?

4. Is it possible to be 99 percent consistent when edge teching, or is edge teching one of those things that you can only hope to get 40 or 50 percent of the time?

I'm trying to learn edge teching, and judging by some posts I've read in the past, it seems like an easy technique to master. How come I'm not very consistent with it then? Hope you guys can answer my questions.

Thanks,
Dalal

[Apocalypse™]

I think if you Smash DI into the ledge you get a higher chance of teching it.

[InfernoOmni]

I think if you Smash DI into the ledge you get a higher chance of teching it.

What he said. Your goal is to basically to be hit into the stage after being hit by your opponent. I do it a lot by just slamming whichever direction the ledge is in and pressing R at the same time. Works like a charm.

[Zephyr]

I believe you have to be hugging the stage with Firefox in order to tech down-smash. Smash DIing also helps for walljumping the tech. I'm not the best, though, so take this advice at your own risk...

[controlfreak7]

speaking of edge teching, (and this most likely goes the same for wall teching), can't u hold up and when u are hit into the stage you automatically tech? My cuz was showing me something like that.

[Zephyr]

no, it doesn't work like that. You wall jump if you do that, but you still have to ledge tech.

[Silent Wolf]

What my friend Tori does, is waits for me to firefox a bit over the ledge to dsmash so i cant tech it no matter what, so watch out for that. other than that, hold l or r 1/3 of a second before you hit the wall.

[Falken]

If you have high % you must Smash DI into the stage.
but at middle % or lower just press L/R and up before you hit the wall.

[krazyzyko]

Dalal, I also have a problem with this, that's why I've becomed REALLY good on sweetspotting the edge, but still I kind of try to "L-cancel the edge" if you know what I mean. The HTP vid says that you should hold R/L Half of a second before reaching the edge.

...........later

[audreyh]

HTP vid says 1/2 second but Silent Wolf is right its actually 20 frames before (1/3 of a second)

IMO firefox is the easiest to ledgetech with, sometimes I prefer to firefox than fox illusion because im pretty sure i'll ledgetech any attack.

Yes, it does matter if your firefox starts from further away or closer.

In order to maximize consistency, try riding up the wall of fd.

How to practice: go to training mode, get a motion sensor bomb, roll to the edge, drop it jump off and firefox into it.

In training mode I can ledgetech maybe 90-95% of the time, however, in matches it definately wont be that high because you won't always have your ideal situation and be able to ride up the wall or you'll be at the wrong angle and at a stage where u can't ride up the wall etc. Ledgeteching 40-50% of the time in game is a good thing to shoot for.

you can also practice ledgeteching the fox illusion the same way... its a lot more difficult in my opinion

[Silent Wolf]

I practiced in BTT wit Fox, I just side-B'd into tha wall a lot till i got it, it was easy as hell too.

[Scrubs]

Im trying to master this aswell... And from what it sounds like your not DI'ing towards the stage after youve been hit...

[krazyzyko]

I practiced in BTT wit Fox, I just side-B'd into tha wall a lot till i got it, it was easy as hell too.

THIS IS A GREAT ADVICE!
It can also work for the fire fox and any aerial!
To practice edge teching got to BTT(Break the targets!)

I can now edge tech more than usual!

.....I'll add it to my thread

[Ijuka]

So, whenever you press L or R, it will allow you to tech during the next 20 frames, but ALSO makes you unable to use L or R to tech again for 40 frames, so maybe you pressed L/R again before the 40 frames were gone, and thus was unable to tech?

[monty06]

u hav the first 20 frames before the smash hits u and the first 20 frames frames after it hits u so u hav 2/3s of a sec to tech it

[Umbreon]

I have a LOT of fallacies to clear up here I see.

you have to press and hold R or L within 33 frames of being hit, and be touching a wall when you get hit, and your character will auto-tech. If you hold up too, you will wall jump tech. I prefer to place tech and over B to grab the edge, or air dodge up to shine. Most people prefer to wall jump tech, in case they miss they get an automatic DI on the attack they failed to tech.

smash DI into the stage will have no effect.

holding the button from before the 33 frames will not allow you to tech. If you are not touching the stage as you get hit, you will not tech. Both conditions have to apply. some attacks like falco's downsmash hits WAY below the edge, so if you miss the tech don't feel bad, it's consistant but it might not feel like it. Ex, teching falco's dsmash on battlefield isn't happening, it hits before you can touch the stage anywhere. On the other hand, you can always tech and survive falco's spike directly on the edge. Ex 2 peach dsmashes you, you tech the first hit and over B, the 2nd hit hits you before you grab the edge and you fall to your death anyway.

It's all situation specific.

[Dalal]

Well, I finally got teching to work. A useful tip that I positive-repped someone for was to simply tap L, and not hold it. So I went to training mode, placed a motion sensor bomb on the edge, firefoxed up, and tapped L before I hit it. Right when I was about to hit it, I held the control stick towards the ledge (For Smash DI), and when I hit I held up. I walljump teched. Now I can do it anytime I want. I've edge teched shines, f-smashes, and a lot of different things. The best tip is to just tap L, so after you do, you can concentrate on the Smash DI and walljump separately.

[Lixivium]

edit: Okay, I just tried the stuff in this thread for half an hour. In Break the Targets, I can tech off the left side of that flashing orange wall, but not the right, even though I swear I'm pressing L at the exact same time. I can't get a single tech off proximity mines, and I can get maybe 1 in 10 off a Marth F-Smash or a Falco D-Air. I've tried holding L and I've tried tapping L, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Weird.

[audreyh]

imo proximity mines is what helped me the most

its probably harder than teching marths fsmash or falco's dair

i just played a fox vs falco set, it was 2-2 last match last stock i was at 100 and teched his dair twice and then won =)

depending on what character you are, it is significantly easier to tech if youre doing ur up-b as close to the wall as possible

[monty06]

i also noticed wen i first start practicing it i only got it like maybe 3 or 4 times out of ten but wen i just play games i seem to get it alot more wen im not trying to do it i just get it naturally.