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highandmightyjoe
11-01-2006, 11:51 PM
I would agree Roy is too high already. I would place him right above Pichu really. He has almost nothing going for him. I can't even fathom what the developers where thinking when they made him.
Naota-Kun
11-01-2006, 11:55 PM
I agree Roy is too high on the Tier List. He's comparable with Zelda, maybe a spot height, on the Tier List because of his mediocre qualities. The only possible thing I could see going for Roy is his grab game, which if he had a reach like Marth his grab game would own Marth's, but other than that Roy is too KO retarded, even more than Mario.
Mr. Game & Watch should be higher. [/BIAS]
mr game & watch has a horrible shield. it always gets pierced through >_<
highandmightyjoe
11-02-2006, 12:27 AM
Wow, I was just thinking of this. I play around a little with G&W so after posting here I went to check out some vids and such of him, I come back and everyones talking about him. I was just thinking of his shield too. Crazy stuff. But anyway, yeah, his shield sucks. Thats even worse for him than most people considering how easy he is to knock around. His recovery is better than average but it is made almost useless due to how easy it is to get threw his shield, and knock him incredible distance.
StripesOrBars
11-02-2006, 01:08 AM
If not for G&Ws shield, he'd be higher.
His weight isn't even that bad with a good shield.
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 09:47 AM
Yeah, Mr. Game & Watch's shield is horrid even for such a small guy. I think it's the fact that he sticks his limbs and head out to much to adequitely protect himself. Almost every attack on him is shield-piercing attacks, even jabs. He kinda also lacks enough L-Cancellable aerials and is kinda laggy, another few reasons other than being light that puts him so low but I still think he should be higher, at least above Zelda.
Lightshield FTW...but yes his shield sucks.
*practices powershielding*
Neuvost
11-02-2006, 02:29 PM
The only thing I think I'd change is that I'd condense the top tier and the high tier into one. Just have all the broken characters in one nice little spot.
I might also move Ganon into the low tier simply because I feel like he's too slow to compete with the others in middle tier, but perhaps tournament results disagree with me.
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 03:50 PM
I feel ganondorf is too underrated. People simply think he sucks because of the 'speed factor' all the time and never try him out theirselves. He has a good arsenal attacks for his type because most slow characters tend to have nothing to back them up but Ganondorf has redeeming qualities. It's just nobody takes enough time to unlock more potential out of him, thus being underrated.
Sighrax
11-02-2006, 03:53 PM
I feel ganondorf is too underrated. People simply think he sucks because of the 'speed factor' all the time and never try him out theirselves. He has a good arsenal attacks for his type because most slow characters tend to have nothing to back them up but Ganondorf has redeeming qualities. It's just nobody takes enough time to unlock more potential out of him, thus being underrated.
thomas tipman lives in our state you buffoon
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 03:58 PM
Florida? What about bufoonity?
Sighrax
11-02-2006, 04:00 PM
Yes, Florida. Tipman is known as one of, if not, the best ganon. He took out chillindude's fox and then marth at MLG NYC. Ganon needs to move up for sure.
Diddy Kong
11-02-2006, 04:00 PM
Peach is slow to. Is she a bad character?
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 04:01 PM
Owned! Speed is not everything as the same as power is not everything.
I though peeach had the wonderful float canceling + the non-laggy downsmash of doom?
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 04:40 PM
Yes, but L-Cancelling ganondorf can also be quite fast if you use him right.
... you lost me, what did you want to prove by saying peach was slow?
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 04:50 PM
She's not laggy, did I said that? No. I said she's slow in terms of dashing speed and lacks range in most of her attacks but she has so many redeeming qualities those negatives mean jack squat. Besides, people beef with Ganondorf as if he was simply terrible, which he is not.
... in my dictionary, slow means laggy to...
anyway I'll stop argueing because it has absolutely no purpose. I'll continue to practice at guitar instead.
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 04:55 PM
Use the universal dictionary then. I just simply want to point out that Ganondorf is underrated and is not as bad as people think he is. If you want bad why not point out something like Kirby or Mewtwo?
cb_marth
11-02-2006, 05:05 PM
What does it matter Peach players AND Ganon players suck. Read Ken's thread soometime it pretty much sums it up.
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 05:07 PM
Peach sucks? Not quite. She's nearly Top Tier since she is so cheap and versatile plus she is the only character who can conjure items without having them being turned on for the battle. BTW, does Ken play Ganondorf?
HeaDachE
11-02-2006, 05:12 PM
this tear list makes much more sense now... i didnt really understand why fox and falco wernt in the top teir when they first made the list... but yeah much more reasonable now....
Diddy Kong
11-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Owned! Speed is not everything as the same as power is not everything.
Yeah, besides the Tier List isn't based on how "good" or fast a character is. It's about how well the character is doing at Tournaments. Besides, Samus and the IC's aren't speed demons either, IC's aren't exactly slow but their deffinatly not one of the faster characters. Samus and Peach are slow, but their good for various other reasons, which are by these two characters ironically their ariel game, recovery and projectiles.
And just to make sure... Ganondorf is no way being underrated. I hear only noobs complaining about him, but he's alot used by pro players. He's worse than C.Falcon thats for sure, but Ganon deffinatly isn't underrated and I say his position now is very accurate.
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 05:24 PM
I agree with his position in the Tier List but people want him to go LOWER, which is an underrating right there for Ganondorf.
Lucky_Sharmz19
11-02-2006, 05:32 PM
The only possible thing I could see going for Roy is his grab game .
Not even his grab game is good. Roy can't chain throw or juggle like Marth can.
StripesOrBars
11-02-2006, 05:57 PM
Gannon deserves to be around like under ICs and over C Fal(Maybe even in high tier under Shiek ^_^).
Tipman and Bushman own your soul(Tipman owns you harder though).
(Do not thouroughly believe this post).........(except the Tipman part).
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 06:00 PM
Well, I know Ganondorf is underrated but not that much. Sheik rapes Ganondorf through chainthrowing alone (the irony. What Zelda/Sheik fears she rapes it) that it's not funny. He should at least be above Mario in my opinion.
Red One
11-02-2006, 06:07 PM
WOW that's the tier list now!
Where have I been!
wheaty91
11-02-2006, 06:07 PM
what does it take to be in the top tiers.... i don't get the whole tier thing.....
a character has to be good to be in top tier
cb_marth
11-02-2006, 07:17 PM
Define good.
Zenith
11-02-2006, 07:48 PM
Good - Well balanced and dominate over certain characters in smash. Good in smash is just a term we use for "kick *** characters".
Zenith
11-02-2006, 07:57 PM
Falco and Fox are close, Falco>Fox
but..
Marth>>>>>Roy
Roy isn't good; he's barely decent. How can you call a character that has horrible priority, knockback, lacking in decent setups and combos, etc. a good fighter?
I was just speakin from a Roy fanboy's perspective.
No one was give some reasons why Roy is somewhat ok, so only I had the ballz to say anything.
in my opinion Roy sux, and deserves to be near the bottom tier. (despite the fact that Roy is my fav char)
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 08:00 PM
I think Good would apply to nearing the Top where as Top Tiers could be considered Excellent.
Lucky_Sharmz19
11-02-2006, 08:02 PM
Middle tier is considered good, or maybe average. I doubt characters like CF, Jigglypuff, or Doc should be considered average though.
Naota-Kun
11-02-2006, 08:04 PM
Isn't Mid Tier in the borderline of Good and Bad? I think Mid Tier just says Well Balanced.
Lucky_Sharmz19
11-02-2006, 09:23 PM
I don't think CF, ICs, or Samus is very balanced....
Ya know, Captain has that Knee, ICs got those crazy throws, and Samus has that infinite recovery and missles.
The people below them are sort of tilted to the bad side. Like, Mario has no KO moves and bad range, Doc's recovery is terrible and his attack range is even worse than Mario's, and Gannondorf......he's easy to combo and edgeguard.
Harbinger
11-02-2006, 09:39 PM
Lucky, your points are extremely one sided and uninteresting to read. They also don't make any clear, concise sense as to what you're really trying to say since people who are much smarter than you have pretty much disproven every one of your "points".
Ganon is slow? Lol.
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