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mrb1tch3s
02-12-2007, 01:06 AM
Ok... what i meant was that if u toss luigi in the air with an attack and try to attack him again... the probability is that he will hit you before u continue a combo on him. Not to mention that he has a spectacular recover distance when thrown off of an edge like final destination. So i think luigi should be moved up because his attacks are extremely quick sometimes taking priority over sheik. He is a very good all around character. And also in response to your Peach challenge. It is very possible to recover even with a peach at the edge. With getting lucky u can achieve a misfire i believe its called (forward B with highest speed and force) or even not if you manage to float with his down b spin or have excellent precision and make him barely recover from a low up B move. And, thanks Ensee for answering the question ^_^.
coreygames
02-12-2007, 10:09 AM
"...u can achieve a misfire i believe its called (forward B with highest speed and force)
You aren't sure if it's called a misfire? How long have you been coming to SB? If you wan't to know why he is low, it is because he doesn't really have some glitch or broken move that can be exploited by endless hours of training ( I did that for Shinesparking ). The only thing he really has on anyone is high priority and the best WD.
mrb1tch3s
02-12-2007, 12:03 PM
But come on. His wave dash is the best in the game and can be abused by endless training to get angles down to make perfect distances. And 1. I havent been coming to SB very long. 2. The reason i questioned the name of the misfire is because ive heard some approve of the name and some just say "Dude, u called it a misfire what a noob." "Then what do u call it?" "You just call it a high powered shot." I was just trying to not offend someone lol 0.o. If you master his wave dash there are lots of possibilities. He is also great against projectiles. His arial forward A smash can stop ANY projectile. Try it on a full charge samus shot. And if you have good timing then you can stop her missiles with his hand as well. There a lots of things this guy can do.
blaargh198
02-12-2007, 11:03 PM
But come on. His wave dash is the best in the game and can be abused by endless training to get angles down to make perfect distances. And 1. I havent been coming to SB very long. 2. The reason i questioned the name of the misfire is because ive heard some approve of the name and some just say "Dude, u called it a misfire what a noob." "Then what do u call it?" "You just call it a high powered shot." I was just trying to not offend someone lol 0.o. If you master his wave dash there are lots of possibilities. He is also great against projectiles. His arial forward A smash can stop ANY projectile. Try it on a full charge samus shot. And if you have good timing then you can stop her missiles with his hand as well. There a lots of things this guy can do.
Funny, I've never heard of any players who were able to get perfect distances on wavedashes during battles because they trained endlessly. I don't even think anyone trains specifically for that.
1. So then how should you be an expert on luigi and his gameplay?
2.w/e, probably because you heard that on gamefaqs
The part about lots of wavedash possibilities is true.
Ok, the next part, i don't like. Yes, luigi has a high priority f-air (forward aerial fyi) and it stops samus' charge shot, but so does 3/4 of marth's attacks, link's arrows on the ground, link's shield, shiek needles, and oh so many other things because it's an easy attack to disrupt incase you didn't know. Missiles are only slightly easier to disrupt but the main point here is what would a luigi be doing fairing projectiles instead of trying to reach the edge? luigi also is knocked back a lot by projectiles because of his low weight, making him easy to juggle off the stage. he may have the potential to be moved up a bit, but not for those reasons you mentioned, really.
phish-it
02-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Luigi is as heavy as mario and Dr. Mario; who are only lighter than:
Link
C. Falcon
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Samus
DK
Bowser
The reason why luigi is as low as he is is because of his unreleiable recovery; being easily gimped and the like.
luigi's low traction easily counteracts the effect of his heavy weight on the ground, enjoy having to wavedash to shieldgrab anyone out of half their attacks then getting hit because that takes so much longer than just shieldgrabbing in place like most other chars can do
mrb1tch3s
02-13-2007, 12:13 AM
In reply to that lol....new to posting...
mrb1tch3s
02-13-2007, 12:15 AM
Funny, I've never heard of any players who were able to get perfect distances on wavedashes during battles because they trained endlessly. I don't even think anyone trains specifically for that.
1. So then how should you be an expert on luigi and his gameplay?
2.w/e, probably because you heard that on gamefaqs
The part about lots of wavedash possibilities is true.
Ok, the next part, i don't like. Yes, luigi has a high priority f-air (forward aerial fyi) and it stops samus' charge shot, but so does 3/4 of marth's attacks, link's arrows on the ground, link's shield, shiek needles, .
Wtf? gamefaqs... forget gamefaqs.... if you happened to be a noob and not know. Wavedashing distances are based on the ANGLE at which u press the directional stick. Such as a perfect long distance would be 45 degrees. If you overshoot a backwards wavedash you are sol if u were trying a combo. But i can agree that his recover is a bit unreliable. And yeah.... if yor trying to recover how are you going you use links shield or arrow, sheiks needles or other? And his moving shield grab is great. Only such a statement could come from a non luigi player. Havent you ever seen Ka'masters or PPa0's vids? Wavedashing and shield grabbing are some of their best combo makers.
I like how you edited the post with the reason "mistakes".
You just lost any possible credibility you could ever have in this topic, granted you pretty much had none to begin with.
I'll let someone else tell you why cause I'm tired.
edit// Just realize there are much more intelligent people that have come up with this list, and someone with as little experience as you has pretty much no reason to try and argue the beauty that is the tier list. You just end up making a fool of yourself with your generalized reasoning.
protip: perfect WDs are achieved with angles of almost (but still barely under) 90%, not 45
mrb1tch3s
02-13-2007, 12:34 AM
that is why u practice.... and i said 45 DEGREES not 45 % smart guy. Do the math. 45 degrees equals to the furthest distance WD.
_umbra_
02-13-2007, 08:05 PM
that is why u practice.... and i said 45 DEGREES not 45 % smart guy. Do the math. 45 degrees equals to the furthest distance WD.
...or...not. lol. The closer to 90 degrees, the longer the wavedash will be. First, imagine a line going straight down from where the character is at rest. This line makes the angle in question with the direction the air dodge is done in. The closer the air dodge is to horizontal, while not going any higher, the farther the wavedash will be. 90 degrees is the longest wavedash. Anything higher will result in an air dodge at an upwards angle, and no wavedash. Same goes for wavelanding. Anything lower will result in a shorter wavedash.
that is why u practice.... and i said 45 DEGREES not 45 % smart guy. Do the math. 45 degrees equals to the furthest distance WD.
eh, instead of doing the math i'd rather leave you to continue trolling since there's no way you can be unable to figure out what i meant in under 5 seconds otherwise
Gustav Wind
02-13-2007, 11:48 PM
Luigi has strong points, obviously; and he has one weakness, as has been mentioned.
You can emphasize any mid/upper low tiered character's strengths all you want, and your points are probably more or less right, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone above them have strengths as well (more/ better strengths at that). For example, ganon has s00per aerials, jiggly has the aerial maneuverability and rest, mario has super combos and is a little harder to shine gimp, falcon has massive muscles and t3h ph1r3, etc.)
can't forget falcon's epic nipples!
coreygames
02-14-2007, 02:06 AM
can't forget falcon's epic nipples!
He likes it nasty ;)
If I wanted to partake in this conversation. I could say that Samus should be top tier because of the SWD, but she isn't because she isn't a broke *** character. The only thing she has is amazing CC because of her futuristic Dr. Shoules insoles.
clearly, she's gellin' like magellan
mrb1tch3s
02-14-2007, 12:29 PM
truly.... haha.... who else should be top tier? i think more low tiers need to start winning some tournaments haha...
Smooth_One
02-14-2007, 04:07 PM
It's a little tough when so many people play high-tier guys.
I'm gonna play Ganon at my next tourney. Gotta spread some Ganon rep. He deserves better.
mrb1tch3s
02-14-2007, 11:25 PM
same with luigi... i just needa find a tourney around alta loma so i can actually go to it.... lol we all need to spread some low tier love!!!!
coreygames
02-15-2007, 07:18 AM
clearly, she's gellin' like magellan
I'm evil..so:
I'm gellin like a fellon hiesting a mellon.
ToP CaT
02-15-2007, 04:55 PM
hiesting a mellon! hahaha thats the worst one of those ive ever heard!
Epsilon52
03-01-2007, 02:41 AM
ive always wnated to see what the tier list would look like if u took out chaingrabs
Smooth_One
03-01-2007, 10:03 AM
How 'bout take out those Grab>Aerial combos.
Fox's Uthrow to Uair, Falcon's U/Dthrow to Knee, Doc/Ganon's Dthrow to Fair, DK's Uthrow to Uair, etc etc.
BigRick
03-02-2007, 03:22 AM
BigRick's newest list fresh off the streets!
Top Tier: Members of the official rapist association, main tourney winners
Fox
Falco
Sheik
Marth
High Tier: Doesn't get raped by at least half of the rapists... can go far in tourney or be a finalist, lower chance of winning
Peach
Captain Falcon (well Falcon is gimp victim tier... but hes still awesome ^_^)
Ice Climbers
Samus
Jigglypuff (Jigg rapes!)
Middle Tier: able to keep up with high tiers, a little with rape tiers... some of em can go far in tournie, low chance of winning
Ganondorf
Doctor Mario
Mario
Luigi (DK and him have been banned from low tiers... by me!)
Donkey Kong (go bum!)
Low Tier: they suck, no chance of winning... but they can be mained for like 1/3 - 1/4 of your matches and some of them can harass higher tiered chars...
Link (he phails at crossing that big *** FFS roadblock)
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu
Ness (lol trying to get the Ness fanboys behind me!)
Mr. Game and Watch
Bottom Tier: bottom of the barrel, real shame. Main them as a good john. (kidding <3 crap tier players)
Yoshi
Zelda
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo
Bash away as you like... I really like this list, it's like fresh air!
Now I won't post again in this topic for another 40 pages or so!
Game & Watch and Young Link should move up to middle tier, and put Ice Climbers and Peach in Top tier.
Everything else is alright :cool:
6th Sense
03-02-2007, 04:01 AM
M2 is G0D Tier!! (400th post..)
HolyChef
03-02-2007, 04:15 AM
ice climber in top tier is pushing it. but if shiek and marth make top tier than why not peach.
6th Sense
03-02-2007, 04:17 AM
Because Peach's a B**ch!! I'd pick ICZ over Peach anyday
fletch71011
03-02-2007, 12:02 PM
BigRick's newest list fresh off the streets!
Top Tier: Members of the official rapist association, main tourney winners
Fox
Falco
Sheik
Marth
High Tier: Doesn't get raped by at least half of the rapists... can go far in tourney or be a finalist, lower chance of winning
Peach
Captain Falcon (well Falcon is gimp victim tier... but hes still awesome ^_^)
Ice Climbers
Samus
Jigglypuff (Jigg rapes!)
Middle Tier: able to keep up with high tiers, a little with rape tiers... some of em can go far in tournie, low chance of winning
Ganondorf
Doctor Mario
Mario
Luigi (DK and him have been banned from low tiers... by me!)
Donkey Kong (go bum!)
Low Tier: they suck, no chance of winning... but they can be mained for like 1/3 - 1/4 of your matches and some of them can harass higher tiered chars...
Link (he phails at crossing that big *** FFS roadblock)
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu
Ness (lol trying to get the Ness fanboys behind me!)
Mr. Game and Watch
Bottom Tier: bottom of the barrel, real shame. Main them as a good john. (kidding <3 crap tier players)
Yoshi
Zelda
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo
Bash away as you like... I really like this list, it's like fresh air!
Now I won't post again in this topic for another 40 pages or so!
While I don't particularly like the rest of your changes, I think you have a great point with moving Sheik and Marth to the same tier level as space animals, as they seem to almost do as well as them. Peach is fine where she is, she gets raped by 3 of the 4 chars above her, and really doesn't do incredibly well against Falco either.
BigRick
03-02-2007, 12:07 PM
ice climber in top tier is pushing it. but if shiek and marth make top tier than why not peach.
I've placed IC's in high tier...
Sheik/Marth are simply better than Peach. They're faster, and have easier time KOing.
She might have a slight advantage over Falco, but Falcos simply switch to Fox when they face her, and Fox > Peach.
A good Sheik/Marth will give trouble to her.
Some Ganons/Falcons live to destroy Peaches.
Advantage against ICs, goes even with Jiggs and Samus.
So top of high tier is perfect spot for her IMO.
EDIT: Thx for your approval fletch... My list is amazing!
EDIT2: And to those of you that don't believe that Sheik/Marth belong in top tier...
Take a look at how the japanese Sheiks took over OC2. KDJ/Drephen are also reppin.
Ken/Azen just flat out rape. There's at least 1 Marth main in each region's top 5.
mood4food77
03-02-2007, 03:50 PM
jiggs moving up is bad, she's bad against almost every high tiered cahracter, mario and peach are the only 2 where she doesn't have the disadvantage
there's no sense in moving jiggs and DK up
BDawgPHD
03-02-2007, 10:52 PM
Okay, this list is a bit off. I dunno why Pikachu and Link are in the low tier :/ I've seen Pikachu be very useful, and I use Link and, well let's just say he doesn't belong in the low tier.
EDIT: I wouldn't say DK is top tier, but definitely not low tier.
they do belong there, they're both super-easy gimpage for most of the chars above them while not being half as able to return the favor (pikachu is easy chaingrabbings, and link's KO power is by no means top-notch)
mood4food77
03-03-2007, 01:56 PM
pika has almost no combo's, his reach is crap except for uair and fsmash, he's easily chaingrabbed, especially for his weight
DK's a really big target, he gets pretty much raped by everyone above him, don't even say he's even with ganon, i'm pretty sure ganon has a decent advantage on DK
Link has like 2 reliabe KO moves, dair and up b, ganondorf has too many to name right now...ganon has a lot of KO power, link doesn't
Link226
03-03-2007, 02:16 PM
Apologies for not paying attention to this post, I should have read more before posting. Anyways here you said that the tier list must be based on character match-ups so then why can't people just say fox and falco are the best characters in the game? I'm not arguing against you, but how people such as yourself say "the tier list isn't based off who the best character is, but rather how well characters do in tournies." And yet in the end it truly tends to become a list from best to worst character in the game
Why couldn't u just simply say that Zelda and Yoshi are better than Game and Watch? Why does it have to be they do better, in the end characters that do better are better so i'm just confused about this whole thing. And if this is the case which it is then the tier list is listing characters chronologically from best to worst.
My point is you can't refute posts that ask questions like that simply by saying this or these characters do better than this or these characters. You have to be specific in your answer. For example: Game and Watch is a very light character and while he has great koing abilities his disadvantage of being light outweighs his koing abilities because Zelda and Yoshi have fair if not good koing abilities and don't tend to have this probem with getting koed they are higher on the list.
This Post kinda shut this thread down...alot of people didnt really respond, and it showed how the tier list really does boil down to the best and worst characters in the game etc. But anyway...
I like where Peach and Marth was placed because if i remember clearly Peach was way lower in the last tier list. Ever since i went to MLG New York I started playing with more people...taking every opportunity to go to other tourneys...i have seen alot of peach and Marth players, and its kinda ****ing annoying. :laugh:
mood4food77
03-03-2007, 02:23 PM
peach was always in top 5, it was falcon and ganondorf that were all the way down at the bottom
Kyle Broflovski
03-04-2007, 04:07 AM
Ya know, seeing that imho jiggly is extremely hard to counter pick, what with not being able to be spiked, having six jumps, crazy priority, edguarding that destroys virtually almost any recovery and nigh impossible to combo for more than two hits, why the heck isn't she at least high tier? She has the advantage on Peach, and only top tier represent a threat since their kill moves are fairly guarenteed (d-throw to slap, fair or throw to tipper, and the upsmash of the gods).
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