View Full Version : The 2006-2008 Tier list
Shaeman111
07-12-2007, 12:53 AM
excellen excellent my young squire. Play with Ganon/Boozer/Fox/Falcon. Those dudes will never see it coming.;):laugh:
lmfao. r u coming to the tournament?:laugh:
samus peach and marth are ICs worst match-up, then fox, but they can handle fox
IMO i would take away marth and add falcon.
well actually, it dont matter who u use. just TGM combo and you will win.
Protoguy
07-12-2007, 10:55 AM
marths the best character in the game m2k proved it
Edit: nvm game n watch is
Game & Watch... What are you smoking???
mood4food77
07-12-2007, 11:13 AM
ICs rape falcon, unless the falcon knows how to seperate the HO from popo and proceed to rape her
but it's highly in ICs favor, like 8-2, by far falcon's worst match-up
StripesOrBars
07-12-2007, 11:19 AM
Marth and Fox are the best in the tourney scene.
Shiek and Falco come extremely close.
Protoguy
07-12-2007, 11:45 AM
ICs rape falcon, unless the falcon knows how to seperate the HO from popo and proceed to rape her
but it's highly in ICs favor, like 8-2, by far falcon's worst match-up
Azen vs Chudat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvWkcXQiPk&mode=related&search=
That whole series made me think the CF was IC counter...
mood4food77
07-12-2007, 11:47 AM
it's not a counterpick, no where close, i think that was like the first time chu lost to a falcon...i don't think he's lost to one since he lost to isai's, and that was a while ago, falcon should never fight ICs, there's only teh exceptional few
HeadISBAgent
07-12-2007, 12:05 PM
Note these results only incorporate MLG and EVO so its not entirely accurate but should provide a good approximation on where characters stand in the highest levels of play.
MLG 2006 Results
New York Playoffs 2006 SSBM Championship Level 1 Singles
Azen (Marth)
Rob$ (Sheik)
Wife (Peach)
Tink (Fox/Falco)
New York Playoffs 2006 SSBM Championship Level 2 Singles
Azen (Marth)
PC Chris (Falco)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
KoreanDJ (Fox)
Orlando 2006 SSBM Championship Singles
Azen (Marth)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
KoreanDJ (Fox)
Isai (Captain Falcon)
Chicago 2006 SSBM Championship Singles
Ken (Marth)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
Mew2King (Fox)
Azen (Marth)
New York 2006 SSBM Championship Singles
PC Chris (Falco)
Ken (Marth)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
Tink (Fox/Falco)
Dallas 2006 SSBM Championship Singles
Ken (Marth)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
PC Chris (Falco)
KoreanDJ (Fox)
Anaheim 2006 SSBM Championship Singles
Ken (Marth)
PC Chris (Falco)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
Isai (Captain Falcon)
MLG 2006 Championship Singles in Vegas
PC Chris (Falco/Fox)
KoreanDJ (Fox)
Ken (Marth)
Mew2King (Fox)
MLG and EVO 2007 Results
EVO North 2007
Drephen (Sheik)
Viperboy (Falco)
Mathos (Falco)
Eddie (Ganon)
EVO East 2007
Mew2King (Marth)
PC Chris (Falco)
Cactuar (Marth)
Cort (Peach)
Pound 2
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
Mew2King (Marth)
Jiano (Captain Falcon)
Chillendude829 (Fox)
MLG Smash Series Long Island 2007
KoreanDJ (Sheik)
Mew2King (Marth)
PC Chris (Falco)
Bum (Donkey Kong)
Marth -13
Fox -10
Falco -11
Ice Climbers -7 <- ahaha all ChuDat
Captain Falcon -3
Sheik -3
Peach -2
Ganondorf -1
Donkey Kong -1
Again, this isn't the best indicator since a lot of other big tourneys are left out (although these are 11 of the biggest tournaments of the last two years) this does show pretty consistent results with Marth, Fox, and Falco all belonging in the Top Tier. If you disregard ChuDat (haha he's too good), you'll see that Marth, Fox, and Falco have a win rate in the top 4 places about four times more than the next series of characters played at the high level; that's pretty significant even if the sample size is small.
My bad :P
Lol, its not fair to put kdj down as fox always, i'm nearly certain he used very close to ALL sheik at MLG long island, also why do you count big tournys? Ex: cataclsym 3 pound 2.. etc?
squaminator
07-12-2007, 12:15 PM
the last KDJ one, for long island, should be a sheik one.
HeadISBAgent
07-12-2007, 12:28 PM
I'll add some other big tourneys in a little bit I guess..
Emblem Lord
07-12-2007, 01:13 PM
Point is Marth and spacies rule the friggin universe.
Keitaro
07-12-2007, 02:33 PM
Azen vs Chudat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvWkcXQiPk&mode=related&search=
That whole series made me think the CF was IC counter...Azen will make ANY character look like an IC counter :ohwell:
Aesir
07-12-2007, 02:43 PM
meh the top 5 all do well vs each other
fox marth falco sheik peach.
they all have things that bring pain to the other.
HeadISBAgent
07-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Well since someone wanted some of the other tourneys:
West Coast
NorCal Biweekly
VANS (Sheik)
Silent Spectre (Captain Falcon)
Dark Mike (Samus)
Frotaz (Samus)
UCLA Monthly III
Ken (Marth)
DSF (Sheik)
Omar (Sheik)
Mango (Jigglypuff)
OC Tournament
Ken (Marth)
Manacloud (Falco)
Sniper (Fox)
Raqu (Link)
South Side
INNsomnia V
Forward (Falco)
Darkrain (Captain Falcon)
Tink (Falco/Fox)
DaShizWiz (Falco)
T5
Forward (Falco)
Taj (Marth)
BloodoftheFallen (Sheik)
Light (Peach)
AZOne
Taj (Marth)
Wobbles (Ice Climbers)
Hugs (Samus)
BloodoftheFallen (Sheik)
East Coast
V.E.S.T.I.C.L.E
KoreanDJ (Marth/Sheik)
PC Chris (Falco/Marth/Peach/Fox)
Darc (Jigglypuff)
Kaiser (Fox)
Cataclysm 3
Mew2King (Marth/Fox)
KoreanDJ (Fox/Sheik)
ChuDat (Ice Climbers)
PC Chris (Falco/Fox)
Pakman
07-12-2007, 03:24 PM
I have heard M2K and Chu say that falcon is good against the Climbers.
As a Luigi main I don't find the climbers to be too difficult for the plumber. I took 2 stocks from chu in tournament (I don't think he was sandbagging a lot), and I don't claim to be very good at all.
REDRAGON
07-12-2007, 03:27 PM
Again, i am right!
I hope you people see that Sheik is very overrated and does not win many tourneys!(Still wins a few but nothing to Marth/fox/falco!)
Tier:
Marth
Fox
Falco
Sheik
Redragon
HeadISBAgent
07-12-2007, 03:29 PM
That brings the totals to:
Marth -20
Falco -18
Fox -15
Sheik -10
Ice Climbers -9
Captain Falcon -5
Peach -4
Samus -3
Jigglypuff -2
Link -1
Ganondorf -1
Donkey Kong -1
Note that if you assigned point values for placings (like 3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd, and 1 point for 3rd), Marth, Fox, and Falco blow everyone else out of the water.
Emblem Lord
07-12-2007, 04:00 PM
Why wasn't Lord Knight mentioned at Vesticle?
He got 3rd. He mains Marth.
HeadISBAgent
07-12-2007, 04:07 PM
Your thinking of Sex Tickle (Sesticle) Tournament from last weekend
PC Chris (Falco)
Cort (Peach)
Lord Knight (Marth)
Krazy Jones (Peach)
Anyways, you guys get the point. Argue matchups as much as you want, the tournament scene shows pretty solid results compared to your paper theory matchups. Marth, Fox, and Falco are top tier.
max32090
07-12-2007, 04:19 PM
Again, i am right!
I hope you people see that Sheik is very overrated and does not win many tourneys!(Still wins a few but nothing to Marth/fox/falco!)
Tier:
Marth
Fox
Falco
Sheik
Redragon
quoted for truth brutha
REDRAGON
07-12-2007, 04:24 PM
Ok so anyone that is foolish enough to say Fox is #1 is a moron!
Tier based off tourneys(which people base it off)
Marth
Fox
Falco
Sheik
Argue with me??? No thanks just look at the facts!
Redragon
StripesOrBars
07-12-2007, 04:41 PM
Marth beats Fox and Falco.
BigRick
07-12-2007, 11:08 PM
to the one posting tourney results...
there's too much bias up in that ****
Aesir
07-12-2007, 11:24 PM
Marth beats Fox and Falco.
>_> marth vs fox is even.
marth vs falco is in marths favore.
Thats how I've always known it.
BigRick
07-12-2007, 11:27 PM
>_> marth vs fox is even.
marth vs falco is in marths favor.
Word......
fletch71011
07-13-2007, 12:02 AM
to the one posting tourney results...
there's too much bias up in that ****
How is there bias when they are simply posting results? Seems like the most unbiased way to do it to me...
BigRick
07-13-2007, 12:21 AM
1 - Not all tourneys are taken account of.
2 - Usage of secondaries aren't takken account of in some cases (ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS NOT MARTH!)
3 - Wrong main is displayed in some cases.
REDRAGON
07-13-2007, 02:01 AM
1 - Not all tourneys are taken account of.
2 - Usage of secondaries aren't takken account of in some cases (ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS NOT MARTH!)
3 - Wrong main is displayed in some cases.
lol
A lil scared that Marth is proven #1 eh??? :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:
Redragon
spike9407
07-13-2007, 02:02 AM
Marth is easy to use.
TheDSGamer
07-13-2007, 02:10 AM
Marth is easy to use.
Yeah, if you really know how to use his speed. Like when he grabs, I could do it multiple times.
Pat/Pro
07-13-2007, 02:26 AM
Marth vs fox is not even. Its slightly in marths favor. In 3 of the neutral stages its in marths favor but even in the others. The three being battlefield, yoshis story, and fd. Take it from a fox main who has played marths at all levels. I could go into more detail but just take my word for it.
fletch71011
07-13-2007, 08:36 AM
Marth vs fox is not even. Its slightly in marths favor. In 3 of the neutral stages its in marths favor but even in the others. The three being battlefield, yoshis story, and fd. Take it from a fox main who has played marths at all levels. I could go into more detail but just take my word for it.
Ya, and this is why I really hate this matchup. Most foxes hate playing DL64 too because of the height; I'd say it's pretty near even here, only giving Fox the advantage on one neutral stage (PS).
HeadISBAgent
07-13-2007, 09:38 AM
1 - Not all tourneys are taken account of.
2 - Usage of secondaries aren't takken account of in some cases (ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS NOT MARTH!)
3 - Wrong main is displayed in some cases.
I just tried to post all the biggest tournies off the top of my head. If there are additional tournies you'd like me to add then feel free to request them. As for secondaries, I tried to take into account that person's main plus the characters they play in the semi-finals/finals (cause in earlier rounds a lot of pros will mess around with other characters when matched up with easy opponents). Those were a lot of tournies to do off the top of my head so if one of the mains are incorrect (for that tournament) then feel free to correct me.
Aesir
07-13-2007, 10:22 AM
Marth vs fox is not even. Its slightly in marths favor. In 3 of the neutral stages its in marths favor but even in the others. The three being battlefield, yoshis story, and fd. Take it from a fox main who has played marths at all levels. I could go into more detail but just take my word for it.
Maybe you're not as good as you think you are?
Dark Sonic
07-13-2007, 11:12 AM
Marth vs fox is not even. Its slightly in marths favor. In 3 of the neutral stages its in marths favor but even in the others. The three being battlefield, yoshis story, and fd. Take it from a fox main who has played marths at all levels. I could go into more detail but just take my word for it.
I'd like you to go into more detail. I think the character matchup itself is even, but Marth's good stages tip the match in his favor, while Fox's good stages tip the match in his favor. You don't have to only play on neutral stages. I've heard Corneria or Green Greens is hell for Marth when fighting Fox. Kongo Jungle could be bad for Marth too, even with it's large ceiling.
All_Characters
07-13-2007, 11:22 AM
I've always found that marth vs. falco provides me with a huge advantage (if im marth).
All i do is grab him when im near the edge and back toss. If he doesnt recover perfectly, u get 2 use the spam attack (f-smash) and destroy him.
BTW, I have no skill what-so-ever with marth, but I'm still about 50-50 with my Marth main friend (who is actually very good). Mainly because I just spam the 3 marth godly attacks.
Grab, counter (occasionally), and F-SMASH (c-sticked of course). Thats why when I use marth, my name is spam.
Marth is definately not very difficult to use (to an extent, albeit a very big extent).
The real question is, who's the easiest? Marth, sheik, or peach?
Aesir
07-13-2007, 12:24 PM
Marth is relatively easy to learn you don't need to be really technical with him. However is one of the hardest to play well. he doesn't have automatic combos eventually chain grab to edge guard on fox won't guarantee a stock. Thus marth is a character of experience.
REDRAGON
07-13-2007, 01:15 PM
I'd like you to go into more detail. I think the character matchup itself is even, but Marth's good stages tip the match in his favor, while Fox's good stages tip the match in his favor. You don't have to only play on neutral stages. I've heard Corneria or Green Greens is hell for Marth when fighting Fox. Kongo Jungle could be bad for Marth too, even with it's large ceiling.
Its not a easy matchup for Marth but its in his favor for sure!
What are Fox's weaknesses???
Short range
Bad recovery
Very light
Can be combed easy
can be chaingrabed
Can Marth take advantage of ALL his weaknesses???? Yep!
Redragon
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