The 2006-2008 Tier list

[trademark0013]

Trademark, it's generally not a good idea to go bash an entire region just because of what Doodah says.
^^and that was me having an obscene amount of self control to not bash your region back.

Doodah cracks me up. Anyone taking him seriously has got him all wrong. I know he sounds like (and is) an ***hole on the boards, but once you meet him in person he's a very lovable ***hole.

i apologize for bashing the south. its hard to pick out sarcasm/jokes in text most of the time

[Brookman]

"Cort, gratz on beating Shiz, but he admittedly has problems with peach (as does everyone else in SWFC). I just wish i could play with PC all the time myself/live on the EC. Cort is too good."

Nice one!

[StripesOrBars]

Marth is top with the other four, the only people who will disagree is shiek players becuase they always have to john about something(fox).

Bring it.

[fletch71011]

Yeah. There was a match between Neo and Ken once. Neo was Roy and Ken was Fox. I forget who wins though.

The only time I've seen Neo's Roy vs. Ken's Fox is on Onett, and Fox of course rapes there, so I believe Ken won rather easily.

[kenny10]

The only time I've seen Neo's Roy vs. Ken's Fox is on Onett, and Fox of course rapes there, so I believe Ken won rather easily.

That's the one I was talking about. I also have a link for it in case anyone wants to see it for themselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUD8CJ1Dlz4

[REDRAGON]

That's the one I was talking about. I also have a link for it in case anyone wants to see it for themselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUD8CJ1Dlz4

thats a pretty old video if my memory serves me right...

[kenny10]

Roy does do pretty well vs falco/fox as far as i know.....

It still sort of goes against what you said though, Redragon.

[mood4food77]

so anyways

what about kirby for top tier


.....XD

[REDRAGON]

It still sort of goes against what you said though, Redragon.

ABout me saying its an old video??? No that does not contradict my earlier statement.

Btw i want some Fox experts to answer this: they always say, "oh Marth has tons of even matchups and fox has no bad matchups"

What about Falco, Marth, Samus, and even Roy???

Marth only has Falcon, SHeik, and maybe link...

[mood4food77]

i'd put ganon as a bad match-up over link

falco has peach and marth as bad match-ups

sheik has ICs and falco as bad match-ups

samus has peach, sheik, fox, ganon, and marth as bad match-ups

roy...don't get me started

[REDRAGON]

i'd put ganon as a bad match-up over link

falco has peach and marth as bad match-ups

sheik has ICs and falco as bad match-ups

samus has peach, sheik, fox, ganon, and marth as bad match-ups

roy...don't get me started

Peach is pretty dang even for Samus
Her bad matchups are Marth, Fox, Falco, Sheik, Ganon, Falcon, Jiggs and maybe link...

[Randizzle]

I don't think sheik, falco are really bad matchups. peach is at a slight advantage against falco, and sheik is about even against sheik. Jiggs, fox and link are also pretty manageable.

[flaco]

I think the tier list should stay the same

[Miharu]

Falco should drop at least one spot.

Marth should take #2 spot.

[Emblem Lord]

Marth and Fox can only be top tier. They are the only ones that win tournies consistently.

[trademark0013]

Peach is pretty dang even for Samus
Her bad matchups are Marth, Fox, Falco, Sheik, Ganon, Falcon, Jiggs and maybe link...

i dont understand some of ur peach bad matchups

marth, fox, falco, sheik i understand


ganon? i dont see that. peach can jus out camp him realyl easy.

jiggs seems a bit more on the even side because of her equally l33t recovery, but peach can still outcamp

link isnt fast enough to be a problem to peach

[mood4food77]

ganon is a peach counterpick...

and he meant samus, not peach, and i'm pretty sure peach is a bad match-up cause samus can't CCC her

[trademark0013]

i thought falcon was the peach counterpick rather than ganon...

[mood4food77]

ganon's worse for peach than falcon, deadlier throw comboes

also falcon is easier to juggle for peach

[trademark0013]

i suppose... i'd still rather fight ganon as peach. o well

all i kno is both ganon and falcon get raped by pichu ^_^

[mood4food77]

.....since when

ganon is one of pichu's worst match-ups

[Randizzle]

pichu does surprisingly better than he should against falcon, but in no way is it rape and ganon just destroys pichu.

[trademark0013]

pft. w/e. pichu is clearly top tier

[mood4food77]

no, pichu knows he's bad

kirby, bowser, and mewtwo don't accept the fact

[Gea]

*puts Ness on that list*

<.<

If anyone is deserving of higher these days it is DK.

[Samochan]

Imo...

Peach is disadvantaged vs fox on ntsc and slight disadvantage on pal version. Peach has ccc, cg, edgeguard, projectiles, anti-fast faller. Fox has early kills, shine and it's applications, lasers, speed, anti-cc to some extent(dair and shine), combos.

Peach is slight disadvantaged/even/slightly advantaged vs Falco, pick your favourite. I dunno where the heck the myth that Peach counters Falco has come from, cause obviously lasers still own peach as much as any character and she is very comboable by Falco. Falco is only at disadvantage when we look at his recovery against peach. Maybe only Falco's that don't laser and run away against peach for some reason... So in short, Peach has ccc, projectiles, cg, edgeguard, float over lasers, anti-fast faller. Falco has lasers, anti-cc, shine and it's applications, spike, combos.

Peach is disadvantaged vs Marth, dunno how much the dair spike would tip the scale in Marth's favor, might be only slight disadvantage on Pal. Peach has projectiles, ccc to some extent, juggles decently, can live long. Marth has *spike (NTSC), range and priority, combos, early kills, grab combos, anti-cc, juggle.

Peach is disadvantaged vs Sheik on ntsc, slight disadvantage on Pal or even matchup. Peach has projectiles, ccc, juggles sheik moderately, edgeguard. Sheik has *grab, *early kills (NTSC), range and priority, projectiles, speed, juggles.

Peach is even with C.Falcon. Peach has ccc, cg, edgeguard, projectiles, anti-fast faller. Falcon rapesauce combo stuff, speed, early kills, juggles.

Peach is even with Samus. Peach ccc, anti-cc, projectiles, lives long. Samus has projectiles, lives long, aerial priority, screw attack.

Peach is slightly advantaged/even vs Ganondorf. Peach has projectiles, edgeguard, juggles ganon moderately, faster attacks. Ganon has power, range, anti-cc, grab kills.

Peach has slight advantage vs Jiggs. Peach has ccc, projectiles, lives long. Jiggs has priority, rest, can live long. Peach also lacks vertical KO setups.

Peach has slight advantage vs Link. Peach has ccc, anti-cc, projectiles, juggles Link moderately, edgeguard, faster aerials. Link has range, projectiles, can live long.

[StripesOrBars]

Peach loses to 4 Characters

Fox
Jiggs
Marth
Shiek

Even with:

Ganon
Falcon
Luigi

[mood4food77]

luigi....how so?

explain that one to me

i'd put link she's even with over luigi, same with y. link

[Eci4]

Peach loses to 4 Characters

Fox
Jiggs
Marth
Shiek

Even with:

Ganon
Falcon
Luigi

Add young link to the top list and I agree completly

[kenny10]

luigi....how so?

explain that one to me

Maybe because Luigi has good aerials. He could easily keep Peach from staying in the air with his high jump and fair. I don't think his wavedash would help that much against a Peach, though and his recovery is pretty bad against a Peach who knows how to edgeguard.

[StripesOrBars]

Young Link does not beat Peach.

Caveman did that 1 time and it was years ago.

A Young Link will never beat a good Peach ever again.

[56k]

Peach loses to 4 Characters

Fox
Jiggs
Marth
Shiek

Even with:

Ganon
Falcon
Luigi

"Has some trouble with" =/= "loses to"

[kenny10]

I still disagree with Peach having an advantage over Jiggs. Because they're both floaties and have crazy recovery distance, they can both survive for a long time. However, it's harder for Jiggs to WoP a Peach because of her recovery. Also against Peach, Jiggs doesn't have many kill moves until you get to higher percentages except for fsmash, uair, and rest. Peach has her aerials, dsmash, and throws at a high enough percentage. That's my opinion.

[JBM falcon08]

i wouldn't go as far as saying falco is at a disadvantage to marth, also, doodah, i'm pretty sure ganon is at an advantage vs peach, alot of peach mains have told me so. and about the jiggs at an advantage to peach, i was told yesterday at a tourney that this jiggs thinks that jiggs is at the disadvantage.

[Eci4]

Jigglypuff beats peach.. Down smash doesn't work on the puff because it should always be above peach. Peach's fair has enough startup lag where jiggz can do something about it usually. It's harder to rack up damage with peach, so while they both gotta kill at high percents, it is usually easier for jigglypuff.

Turnips don't work on jigglypuff, they just get faired or baired away. Peach's bair can be traded with a fair/bair. Jigglypuff can camp better than peach can because she cannot rely on turnips.



As for the Peach/Y.Link matchup, why is peach so much better than y. link? Because of his projectile game, it is extremly hard to approach with peach. After that getting hit with either a bomb or a boomerang means peach eats either a dair or a uair.
Meh', thinking about it maybe I dont know this matchup so well, but I still think y. link is at least even with peach.

[ganon543]

i wouldn't go as far as saying falco is at a disadvantage to marth, also, doodah, i'm pretty sure ganon is at an advantage vs peach, alot of peach mains have told me so. and about the jiggs at an advantage to peach, i was told yesterday at a tourney that this jiggs thinks that jiggs is at the disadvantage.

lol stoops ganon goes exactly even with peach, it all evens out when you count in edgeguarding/ gayness.

[Aesir]

Falco has these little red lines that shoot out of his gun that go pew pew pew which can slow down marth. esencially though very techy and intellegent falcos can beat marth. its really only like mid-level fox's that lose. Unless its m2k then it doens't matter.

[REDRAGON]

Falco has these little red lines that shoot out of his gun that go pew pew pew which can slow down marth. esencially though very techy and intellegent falcos can beat marth. its really only like mid-level fox's that lose. Unless its m2k then it doens't matter.

Marth has a advantage vs Fox and Falco(more falco)
Its a small advantage, but a advantage none the less!!!



Redragon

[Eci4]

Marth has a advantage vs Fox and Falco(more falco)
Its a small advantage, but a advantage none the less!!!



Redragon

why?

also ten characters

[REDRAGON]

why?

also ten characters

Chaingrabin, range, edguarding, combos