The 2006-2008 Tier list

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I heard ssbmmasta22 has a pretty nice Falco.

[whatwhatwhatwhatwhat]

PC beat Ken 2-0 with Falco at OC3. He also went Falco at Evo West, along with Fox and Peach.

[theONEjanitor]

why's link higher than young link?
I thought it was agreed that speed is better than power. Link's laggy as ****
plus young link has a couple of rape moves like nair and 17% boomerangs

[ylink_underestimted]

why's link higher than young link?
I thought it was agreed that speed is better than power. Link's laggy as ****
plus young link has a couple of rape moves like nair and 17% boomerangs

cuz some still choose power over speed. most ppl really think y link is really weak. he isnt once u get to know how to use him :)

[kenny10]

It's because of Link's up+B probably. And probably because he's easier to combo with then Young Link.

[ylink_underestimted]

It's because of Link's up+B probably. And probably because he's easier to combo with then Young Link.

yea that upB sometimes pisses me off. altho, link doesnt really combo easier than y link. there some really good combos that u can pull off with y link. but then again u probly sed that cuz link jumps shorter than y link.

[mood4food77]

Link does better against everyone after falco than y. link pretty much

there's peach, zelda, jiggs, and link in which y. link is better

and also ICs

[Aesir]

PC is still the best falco. >.>

[mood4food77]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

[BigRick]

Shiz is just crazy...

When he starts his multishines my head goes like this :psycho:

[Gustav Wind]

Young link's a bit faster, but it still doesn't mean much when both are outclassed completely in speed by fox and sheik. Link's other advantages help him vs most characters.

[Aesir]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

Then uhm you heard wrong? lol

[Rapid_Assassin]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

Somehow i doubt that... He might use falco more often, that doesn't make his falco better.

[Pat/Pro]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

PCs falco is better all around. Shiz still loses to random good people that PC wouldn't. Both great but PC is still better. I would assume forward would beat him too but if you say he retired than i guess shiz gets the 2 spot for sure.

[pr4n4y]

Pcs Falco is better, he just can play a lot of chars and doesnt use Falco as much as Dashiz.

[StripesOrBars]

PC is still the best falco. >.>

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

Shiz is just crazy...

When he starts his multishines my head goes like this :psycho:

You know its funny.

Like back in Nov. of 05 was the first time I seen them. All 3 of the brothers(Shiz, SpeedN, SmashMac) played Falco as thier mains, and SpeedN played Falco but mained Shiek.

I remember watching Shiz, SpeedN, and SmashMac play.

They were the biggest n00bs ever.

Now, they own all. PC won't even Falco ditto them. He went Marth.

[superryan]

PC doesn't falco ditto anyone in tournament really >_>

He went Marth on me but that doesn't make me a pro falco lol.

[Cort]

Falco dittos and Falco vs Fox require a higher level of technical skill that PC doesn't have/wants to deal with. So why not play an easier character and easily beat players he knows he should?

This is why Shiz isn't as good as he could be. He still loses to Peaches and Marths and Sheiks, while PC's Falco just... doesn't. Shiz is just not capable of winning large scale tournaments cause he just relies on his Falco/Fox and has a lot of bad matchups with them. PC is capable of beating Kens and M2Ks and KDJs cause his Falco is much more adaptable (just plain smarter), where I highly doubt Shiz could 2-0 Ken or 3-0 M2K in a high pressure winner's/loser's/finals set.

Reading mood4food's posts makes my eyes cringe.

[mood4food77]

which one...there are many....XD

fine, i thought PC gave up falco...like completely

that's what i heard and all

[Cort]

Pretty much all of them.

[superryan]

Again you heard wrong.

[InfernoOmni]

I mean...
Mew2King and PC have been trading 1st and 2nd, although (correct me if I'm wrong), M2K has a longer winning streak while using Marth. Based off tournament results:

Marth is now #1.
Fox is #2.
Falco is #3.
Sheik is #4.

Why is Sheik so low even though KDJ beat M2K at Long Island, NY? Because KDJ's Sheik has been the only one to place top 3 in MLG's and other major tournaments recently, and KDJ's Sheik hasn't been seen since then. Also, these past tournaments show Drephen placing 4th consistently (which I think is amazing) behind M2K, PC, and Chu. Ken getting 4th at OC strengthens the fact that Marth should be #1, not to mention KDJ switching from Fox and using Marth much more.

Discuss.

[StripesOrBars]

I agree with the above post.

[REDRAGON]

so is the back room gonna make a new tier list???

Marth is now #1....no argument, and the old one says he is 4th...

[Wuss]

chu dat not considered for 2nd? He did win pound 2...

about the whole falco crap, I have disagree with cort saying that PC doesn't have technical skill to win those matches, you may be right that he doesn't want to bother, but he definitly has it IMO...

also, he falco ditto'd zang back in 06.

[Aesir]

chu dat not considered for 2nd? He did win pound 2...

about the whole falco crap, I have disagree with cort saying that PC doesn't have technical skill to win those matches, you may be right that he doesn't want to bother, but he definitly has it IMO...

What are you disagreeing with then? Cort clearly said he didn't want to be bothered not that pc didn't have the tech he just doesn't want to be bothered. So what are you disagreeing with?

[mood4food77]

PC has the tech skill to do it

he just fights falco's and fox's better with marth than he does falco or fox, it doens't require as much effort

[exarch]

...PC used Peach to beat Shiz at FC.

and hello what about Lambchops' Falco?? Nite should be recognized as far as falcos go now too.

I agree with Marth then Fox then Falco then Sheik.

But who should be 5th? Icys or Peach? Chu makes a strong case for Icys.

[InfernoOmni]

I agree with Marth then Fox then Falco then Sheik.

But who should be 5th? Icys or Peach? Chu makes a strong case for Icys.

I disagree. Chu is the only IC's that places high in tournaments. This, in my opinion, doesn't give IC's a strong enough case as being higher on the tier list, but simply shows that ChuDat is a phenomenal IC's user. The tier list is suppose to be based on tournament rankings, but I believe there should be an exception in ChuDats' ICs case simply because there is no one else.

In Peach's defense, Vidjo placed 7th at OC3 and 5th at FC. PC used Peach against M2K and took a few matches off of him at Long Island, and his teammate Cort used Peach in teams to get them 1st in doubles at FC. Cort is 2nd in the New England rankings and recently placed first at WTF 3 and 2nd in Sexticle (behind PC Chris). However, this is only mentioning 2 Peach player's that do exceptionally well in national tournaments.

So my case thus far is:
1.) Marth
2.) Fox
3.) Falco
4.) Sheik
5.) Peach

If you agree, then the next case is between Ice Climbers and Falcon. Without going in detail, the only Falcon that has been placing well in tournaments recently is Jiano (3rd @ Pound II behind Chu/M2K). Since Captain Falcon and Ice Climbers seem to be in the same boat as of recently with only one (maybe 2 in Falcon's case) placing well in tournaments, I believe Ice Climbers should take the 6th spot. Isai dominated nicely with King @ OC3, but ChuDat has been dominating soundly with Chillin and M2K placing at least top 3 on an average. In regards to singles, obviously Chu takes the cake. I can't really seem to defend Captain Falcon in regards to singles placing unless someone can enlighten me.

Discuss.

[T0MMY]

i've posted that tier list like 8 times pretty much
every time, people have agreed with it...i don't feel like making the same reasons again and again

Why do you post like you know everything about the game and everyone agrees with you fully? The people who know a lot about the game don't come off sounding so arrogant.

Hmm KKK seems to do better than Gimpy though...
No way, Gimpy is awesome. Check the tourney records, I'm sure Gimpy's Boozer destroys everything in its path with no mercy.

and KKK is krazy kirby kid i think, the best kirby there is

http://nealpro.com/tia/event.aspx?id=459
Not according to tournament standings. t!mmy beat him out at OC3. KK Kid and Nashun are both very good players, though, and cool people. The only other Kirby player I think might be better than t!mmy is KingKirby90, but I haven't played him and I heard he doesn't play anymore(?).

But I think it's the new fad to say Kirby is worse than Pichu. Trust me, I know both the characters very well, they're both terrible, but Pichu is a lot worse. Even still, it's not a lot to do with how good the character is but the tournament metagame and there were about 5 Kirby players at OC3 and I was the only Pichu player. Nobody plays with Pichu, nobody does well with Pichu, any way you look at it Pichu is bottom of the very bottom. Joke character.

[Gustav Wind]

there were about 5 Kirby players at OC3 and I was the only Pichu player. Nobody plays with Pichu, nobody does well with Pichu, any way you look at it Pichu is bottom of the very bottom. Joke character.

Didn't you place higher than any of the five kirby players at OC3? Wouldn't that suggest otherwise?

[pockyD]

Based off tournament results:

Marth is now #1.
Fox is #2.
Falco is #3.
Sheik is #4.

Why is Sheik so low even though KDJ beat M2K at Long Island, NY? Because KDJ's Sheik has been the only one to place top 3 in MLG's and other major tournaments recently, and KDJ's Sheik hasn't been seen since then. Also, these past tournaments show Drephen placing 4th consistently (which I think is amazing) behind M2K, PC, and Chu. Ken getting 4th at OC strengthens the fact that Marth should be #1, not to mention KDJ switching from Fox and using Marth much more.

Discuss.

How can you put sheik below falco if both kdj and drephen are consistently near the top of the tournaments they attend while using sheik? Why doesn't falco follow the same logic and as a result end up below sheik?

[InfernoOmni]

How can you put sheik below falco if both kdj and drephen are consistently near the top of the tournaments they attend while using sheik? Why doesn't falco follow the same logic and as a result end up below sheik?

Do you consider PC Chris a Falco/Fox main?

Last major tournament KDJ went to was Long Island, NY placing 1st over M2K and PC. However KDJ only goes Sheik against Marth's (once against M2K's Fox) and uses Fox (and sometimes Marth) against the rest. At Cataclysm, he used Marth against ChuDat's Ice Climbers; no clue who he used against PC. Point is, KDJ's Sheik doesn't hold as much water as Drephen's Sheik. But let's say it did:

KDJ's Sheik placing 1st at Long Island, NY. Forget that it's not too recent.
Drephen placing 4th at FC and Pound II. 5th at OC.

Now by logic, if PC Chris is indeed a Falco/Fox main, then I believe that takes the cake. However, Forward and Shizwiz have been placing at least top 10 (Shiz taking 1st in his region 7th at FC). Also, while Forward was travelling, he has been placing Top 3 at many tournaments which shows a constant placing for Falco.

Which of the two scenarios do you think holds more weight and why?

[Samochan]

Didn't you place higher than any of the five kirby players at OC3? Wouldn't that suggest otherwise?

Cause Dire places better with his GW than many others with fox and sheik and whatnot, makes GW a better character? >_> That logic fails. Also in tournaments you have to consider who the smashers face and who they beat and lose to, not just how well they place. Not to mention the players don't neccesarily go all pichu and kirby on tourneys. >_>

And KKK > T!mmy > KK90 imo, though I'd need to see some good tourney footage of T!mmy. Everyone of them do have smexy kirby's. But otherwise I do agree with you TOMMY, with kirby and pichu both being crap characters but pichu being worse out of the duo. It is debatable which character is worse, Bowser of Kirby, when both characters have some very good players playing them, can beat good players with them and place reasonably well (not sure of the exact placings of KKK, T!mmy, Gimpy etc. on every tourney they attend).

[REDRAGON]

I disagree. Chu is the only IC's that places high in tournaments. This, in my opinion, doesn't give IC's a strong enough case as being higher on the tier list, but simply shows that ChuDat is a phenomenal IC's user. The tier list is suppose to be based on tournament rankings, but I believe there should be an exception in ChuDats' ICs case simply because there is no one else.

In Peach's defense, Vidjo placed 7th at OC3 and 5th at FC. PC used Peach against M2K and took a few matches off of him at Long Island, and his teammate Cort used Peach in teams to get them 1st in doubles at FC. Cort is 2nd in the New England rankings and recently placed first at WTF 3 and 2nd in Sexticle (behind PC Chris). However, this is only mentioning 2 Peach player's that do exceptionally well in national tournaments.

So my case thus far is:
1.) Marth
2.) Fox
3.) Falco
4.) Sheik
5.) Peach

If you agree, then the next case is between Ice Climbers and Falcon. Without going in detail, the only Falcon that has been placing well in tournaments recently is Jiano (3rd @ Pound II behind Chu/M2K). Since Captain Falcon and Ice Climbers seem to be in the same boat as of recently with only one (maybe 2 in Falcon's case) placing well in tournaments, I believe Ice Climbers should take the 6th spot. Isai dominated nicely with King @ OC3, but ChuDat has been dominating soundly with Chillin and M2K placing at least top 3 on an average. In regards to singles, obviously Chu takes the cake. I can't really seem to defend Captain Falcon in regards to singles placing unless someone can enlighten me.

Discuss.

Is should be this:
1.) Marth
2.)Fox
3.)Sheik
4.) Falco
5.)Falcon
6.)Peach

I switched falco and sheik and i switched falcon and peach. Why?
Falcos age of glory is long gone and many of the falcos go fox now(PC Chris) and now Marth can take on falco and many others. Btw whens the last time a falco won a tourney?
Falcon above peach, tourneys prove this. there was a huge arguemnt like 10 pages back, and i lost the arguemtn simply cause of tourney results favoring falcon by ALOT.

[InfernoOmni]

Is should be this:
1.) Marth
2.)Fox
3.)Sheik
4.) Sheik
5.)Falcon
6.)Peach

I switched falco and sheik and i switched falcon and peach. Why?
Falcos age of glory is long gone and many of the falcos go fox now(PC Chris) and now Marth can take on falco and many others. Btw whens the last time a falco won a tourney?
Falcon above peach, tourneys prove this. there was a huge arguemnt like 10 pages back, and i lost the arguemtn simply cause of tourney results favoring falcon by ALOT.

your list is typoed.
and can you provide actual evidence to support your claims

[pockyD]

Do you consider PC Chris a Falco/Fox main?

Last major tournament KDJ went to was Long Island, NY placing 1st over M2K and PC. However KDJ only goes Sheik against Marth's (once against M2K's Fox) and uses Fox (and sometimes Marth) against the rest. At Cataclysm, he used Marth against ChuDat's Ice Climbers; no clue who he used against PC. Point is, KDJ's Sheik doesn't hold as much water as Drephen's Sheik. But let's say it did:

KDJ's Sheik placing 1st at Long Island, NY. Forget that it's not too recent.
Drephen placing 4th at FC and Pound II. 5th at OC.

Now by logic, if PC Chris is indeed a Falco/Fox main, then I believe that takes the cake. However, Forward and Shizwiz have been placing at least top 10 (Shiz taking 1st in his region 7th at FC). Also, while Forward was travelling, he has been placing Top 3 at many tournaments which shows a constant placing for Falco.

Which of the two scenarios do you think holds more weight and why?

as little as kdj uses sheik, pc uses falco even less; from what i've seen, he goes almost all fox in tournaments and uses peach as often as he does falco; pc nowadays is a FOX main.

but fine, throw them both out for the sake of argument; drephen (2nd sheik) still outperformed both shiz and forward (who you seem to be pushing for the 2nd falco) at pound2, fcd, and oc3 (ALL the big tournaments this summer), including head-to-head wins as well

[StripesOrBars]

Well everyone, come December 3rd, there's a new Marth in town.

Ike.

[Emblem Lord]

Not neccessarily.

[StripesOrBars]

Well, at least he looks cool.