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Oskurito
08-25-2007, 01:15 AM
hellz yes, you are right my friend!
chaingrabing is almost = to uthrow uairs!
Omg, a perfect Fox is still not better than a perfect Marth.
Fox will always get grabbed by Marth.
Have you not seen Silent Wolf?!?!?! That's as perfect a Fox as you can get. That guy gives me erections.
Silent Wolf vs M2K anyone? :chuckle: Perfect Fox vs Perfect Marth
LOLOLOLOL 56K is soooooo funny.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
(and gay).
lol, gay? That's the best you can come up with? wtf :laugh:
EDIT: Oh, I guess you're mad about this:
lol @ false trying to argue w/ Doodah...its like talking to a brick wall.
Except the brick wall is smarter :3
Brookman
08-25-2007, 01:39 AM
Omg, a perfect Fox is still not better than a perfect Marth.
Fox will always get grabbed by Marth.
As will all characters.
perfect fox would power shield grabs. He and falco have something much better than every other character, invincibility via their shine.
Aesir
08-25-2007, 02:40 AM
power shield grabz wtfux?
Power.. shine grab?
edit// OMg a perfect Zelda will always beat a Perfect Fox too!
Magus420
08-25-2007, 03:20 AM
Everyone knows the perfect Bowser is the best character in the game lol
Betrayed
08-25-2007, 03:38 AM
He's like... A TANK! NOTHING STOPS A TANK.
StripesOrBars
08-25-2007, 09:10 AM
It's so funny how you can tell when people play Shiek, Peach, and crappy characters.
And LOL @ whoever said "Fox Upthrow Upair on Marth=Marth Chain Grab on Fox".
And LOL @ 56K for being, well, not funny.
Justin Wiles
08-25-2007, 10:00 AM
What I meant was, if they were played perfectly, neither player would ever hit each other 'cause they're perfect, which is impossible.
Yeah, anyway, it's not like that is an interesting point or anything, I was just trying to be a know-it-all. Heh.
Oskurito
08-25-2007, 10:06 AM
And LOL @ whoever said "Fox Upthrow Upair on Marth=Marth Chain Grab on Fox".
Well, i said that its almost as equal...hellz yes, you are right my friend!
chaingrabing is almost = to uthrow uairs!
brawlpro
08-25-2007, 10:08 AM
well, yeah, i kinda agree, cause my friend edgeswipe21 only looses to my fox cause i uair his maf...
Smash DI > Fox uairs.
This thread gets more full of stupid with each passing day.
Aesir
08-25-2007, 10:23 AM
if marth is losing to fox's upair he isn't smash di'ing enough.
perfect fox and perfect marth is as close to an even match up as you're going to get it just matters who gets the first hit LOL
brawlpro
08-25-2007, 10:23 AM
Smash DI > Fox uairs.
This thread gets more full of stupid with each passing day.
like your post is...oskurito already knew you can sdi...did you even see him play, i was being serious cause the marth i fought can't sdi well, oskurito was being sarcastic, the reason i knew it was sarcasm cause he took his time to bring his old post back...and said something useless like "i said almost", and well look at how he plays, somebody that good...i'd think would know what sdi is and its uses...
Oskurito
08-25-2007, 11:59 AM
At a serious point now: Fox upthrow uair can kill marth very early if he doesn't SDI or DI at stages such as yoshi's and FoD and it can even combo in to 3xuair if the player doesn't DI at all but in NO WAY will be equals to marth's CG that can most likely kill him on a 0 to death combo or either set up for edgeguarding, and if fox manages to escape the CG by DIng, marth has the tech chasing-wake up game open that can lead into another grab or a deadly F-smash, the most safest thing that fox can do to escape marth's CG is to shine right out of his upthrow that will leave marth to far away from him preventing anymore pressures.
StripesOrBars
08-25-2007, 12:19 PM
Fox can camp though.
But he'll have to get in there to kill Marth, in which case, Fox will get grabbed, and most likely die.
JBM falcon08
08-25-2007, 12:30 PM
i play a perfect fox.
Fox can camp though.
But he'll have to get in there to kill Marth, in which case, Fox will get grabbed, and most likely die.
If both players are "perfect" then fox couldnt camp anything, Marth would just powershield lasers, eventually marth would get close enough to pressure fox into moving or be able to hit fox with a neutral A or something and then he could start forcing actions and it would be all but over, but also fox could perfectly time shines to block any attack in the game except a grab, also against a perfect fox you could never 0 to death throw him because he would wiggle out and shine too quickly.
i play a perfect fox.
Says the man with the Marth icon.
Lulz.
Emblem Lord
08-25-2007, 01:26 PM
WTF? You can't wiggle out of death combos. That's what makes them death combos.
lexxil
08-25-2007, 02:15 PM
the "perfect" discu is sense less ^^
Aesir
08-25-2007, 02:23 PM
If both players are "perfect" then fox couldnt camp anything, Marth would just powershield lasers, eventually marth would get close enough to pressure fox into moving or be able to hit fox with a neutral A or something and then he could start forcing actions and it would be all but over, but also fox could perfectly time shines to block any attack in the game except a grab, also against a perfect fox you could never 0 to death throw him because he would wiggle out and shine too quickly.
This is true lol except you can shine to avoid a grab >_>
if you think about it they would be wiggling out of grabs non-stop since its frame perfect and such. >_> it would just be chip damage off of grabs >_>
I'm half joking about this.
Brookman
08-26-2007, 01:36 AM
that's an awful point to bring up anyway buddy. Chip damage from grabs? I'm pretty sure it's not possible to struggle immediately out of a grab, even at zero.
Brookman
08-26-2007, 02:03 AM
grab and hrow. Who says you need to do grab attacks? maybe at low low percents you can get out instantly, but yadda yadda. I'm not sure why we're even talking about such hypothetical matches.
Let's be realistic. The top tier characters are all even(relatively) in the hands of the best players currently.
Magus420
08-26-2007, 02:16 AM
The only things that matter in a frame perfect match are how good/flexible your infinite ledgestall is vs edgestealers, if you have an instant invincibility move and its range/possible KOability, and your walking speed (when dealing with the top 3). That leaves Fox/Bowser in God tier, Falco in Top, and everyone else in Can't-Beat-Any-Of-The-Above tier.
Knifey McStab
08-26-2007, 02:19 AM
The only things that matter in a frame perfect match are how good/flexibile your infinite ledgestall is vs edgestealers, if you have an instant invincibility move and its range/possible KOability, and your walking speed. That leaves Fox/Bowser in God tier, Falco in Top, and everyone else in Can't-Beat-Any-Of-The-Above tier.
what about sheik, mewtwo, and ganon infinites?
Brookman
08-26-2007, 02:19 AM
Magus just provided a feast of shut the **** up. I suggest everyone has a healthy serving and talks productively about something that actually matters.
Emblem Lord
08-26-2007, 02:19 AM
Well all this talk of perfection is pointless. So far in the meta game the closest to perfection right now that is being played is Marth with Fox behind him.
brawlpro
08-26-2007, 02:23 AM
Bowser for god tier? o.o
will be rare...
According to Magus, in a perfect frame by frame game he would be, which sounds stupid but is interesting to think about.
Gay strategies will always dominate.
Gay good strategies will always dominate.
I always knew Bowser was secretly broken.
Gay and good are synonymous in the world of competitive gaming. Everyone should learn this. :)
Magus420
08-26-2007, 02:34 AM
what about sheik, mewtwo, and ganon infinites?Those 3 are missing a 1 frame invincibility/attack which is required for onstage. They can be forced onstage out of their stall with a hog where they will take damage and then lose by percentage.
Now back to crap that actually matters =)
Magus420
08-26-2007, 02:44 AM
That matters mainly for comparing Fox & Falco. Fox has a walking speed advantage and thus can keep Falco within range of his shine (has the range advantage here too) while being out of Falco's range. This would force Falco into a run to keep his shine in range where he can no longer execute it in 1 frame so this makes Fox have control over Falco at all times onstage so perfect Fox > perfect Falco.
The extent of your knowledge on this subject is very entertaining.
KevinM
08-26-2007, 02:53 AM
So if i play a frame perfect Bowser i can be unbeatable.. Ownage
Brookman
08-26-2007, 02:58 AM
I don't care so much about walking speed, but I think the question everyone wants to know: What makes bowser so good?!?!
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