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Cort
09-02-2007, 01:47 PM
I rest my case, again.

Brookman
09-02-2007, 01:50 PM
High fives all around.

Aesir
09-02-2007, 01:50 PM
Doodah has this amazing way of insulting someone when he's proven wrong.

Brookman
09-02-2007, 01:52 PM
He's not been proven wrong at all.

It's a lot like that rule that makes your argument better the more random people agree with you.

The greater the insult, the more valid your point becomes. It's pretty commonly used in political campaigns. See the last score of elections.

StripesOrBars
09-02-2007, 01:53 PM
Nope.

When the next tier list comes out, I'll be right again.

LOL, and Gaysir has this amazing way of coming into threads when, nevermind, I don't wanna get banned.

KevinM
09-02-2007, 01:54 PM
The irony of this post is ______________

Mike you're never going to be able to finish that sentence ^_^

Brookman
09-02-2007, 01:55 PM
I dunno why they would part marth at the top now. I mean, Ken had been pretty much winning all the tournaments before with marth, but sheik was on top then. Aside from falco potentially moving down and unimportant low/mid tier changes I don't see the top changing that much. Maybe fox/sheik/marth should be put back into the top tier though. I don't really know.

StripesOrBars
09-02-2007, 01:56 PM
Luigi should be in the top.

He pwns.

Brookman
09-02-2007, 01:57 PM
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=115162

ZoSo
09-02-2007, 02:09 PM
You guys really need to learn to ignore Doodah.

Oskurito
09-02-2007, 02:09 PM
lol, wanna see a luigi that pwns all, ka-master FTW!!!!!

but everyone already knew that:(

Brookman
09-02-2007, 02:21 PM
Doodah is too funny to ignore. He's like flaco, but less friendly.

coolhat
09-02-2007, 02:42 PM
luigi should take ganons/marios spot.

Oskurito
09-02-2007, 02:46 PM
luigi should take ganons/marios spot.

Yeah, Luigi is underrated

Brookman
09-02-2007, 03:08 PM
The thing about characters moving up is that characters above them go down. So even if you think luigi is better than people think, the question is whether or not he is better than the people above him. In this case, Luigi is not. However, I do think DK should move to the top of low tier, or right below link maybe.

brawlpro
09-02-2007, 03:39 PM
it depends on the player...tiers don't exits...IMO

Cort
09-02-2007, 03:59 PM
Tiers don't really depend on the player and have nothing to do with how skillful someone is. People that don't "believe" in something that is inevitable in any fighting game with different characters need to realize this.

TheManaLord
09-02-2007, 04:13 PM
it depends on the player...tiers don't exits...IMO

No characters are the same or equal.

Therefore some are inherently better than others.

This allows a list to be made from best to worst, and groupings within that list.

D20
09-02-2007, 04:16 PM
I guess I'll throw in my two cents...

Jigglypuff should be switched with Dr. Mario.

Link and Young Link should be bottom tier, along with Kirby, Pichu, and Bowser. I believe that characters such as Zelda, DK, and Mewtwo are more playable at the highest levels of play. At least there are pros that use those characters and have the potential to win bigger tournaments.

Seriously, who uses Link? He sucks. Just because he is a likable character doesn't make him top of the Low Tier. Please, don't name any Japanese pros that use Link, cause we have no idea how they would actually measure up.

brawlpro
09-02-2007, 04:22 PM
No characters are the same or equal.

Therefore some are inherently better than others.

This allows a list to be made from best to worst, and groupings therein within that list.

ok guyz, i get it now.

StripesOrBars
09-02-2007, 05:26 PM
You guys really need to learn to ignore Doodah.

I agree.

luigi should take ganons/marios spot.

I agree.

it depends on the player...tiers don't exits...IMO

I don't agree.

People like you really need to goto a tourney or 2.

brawlpro
09-02-2007, 05:34 PM
doodah, read my post above yours...

bladeofapollo
09-02-2007, 06:51 PM
I think Luigi should be moved back up to the top of low tier above Link, but I don't think he's quite good enough to go above Ganon on the tiers list. Ganon is definitely above low tier, so the problem w/ Luigi moving too far up, is Ganon moving further down.

Frigid_Aztec
09-02-2007, 07:09 PM
I think that the bottom 3 should be like this:

Mewtwo
Pichu
Kirby

Kirby just seems to have absolutely zero strengths.

C@sH Mooney
09-02-2007, 08:08 PM
God Tier:Mewtwo(Points At Taj)

Top Tier:
Marth
Fox
Falco

High Tier:
Sheik
Peach


Middle Tier:
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Doctor Mario
Jigglypuff
Mario
Ganondorf

Low Tier:
Donkey Kong
Link
Luigi
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu

Bottom Tier:
Yoshi
Zelda
Mr. Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu


Marth Ownz All :)

TheManaLord
09-02-2007, 08:41 PM
Top

Marth
Fox
Sheik


High

Falco
Peach
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers



Middle

Jigglypuff
Samus
Ganon
Doc
Mario
DK
Luigi
Link


Low

Pikachu
Roy
Young Link
Yoshi
Game and Watch
Zelda
Ness


Bottom

Bowser
Kirby
Mewtwo
Pichu

ZoSo
09-02-2007, 08:53 PM
Can Win (in no particular order)

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco

Can't

Everybody else

**** Garbage

Kirby

Aesir
09-02-2007, 08:55 PM
^ Zoso wins.

Gustav Wind
09-02-2007, 09:05 PM
On a side note, have you guys seen the part of the marth vs fox discussion in character specific where Magus states that in frame perfect play, Bowser and Fox are god tier, followed by Falco, then everybody else? This is because bowser and fox have perfect edge-stalling capabilities and two of the fastest moves in the game... I would trust Magus on this >___>

I just wanted to point that out in hopes of convincing you guys that "perfect potential" is a stupid thing to discuss (although "current metagame potential" is valid).

Emblem Lord
09-02-2007, 09:20 PM
I think we have all gotten past that Gustav.

Gustav Wind
09-02-2007, 09:23 PM
I think we have all gotten past that Gustav.

Man I can't keep up with this thread, it spawns like 5 new pages between each time I check it >_<

It's always an entertaining read though, especially with DooDah unbanned (for now) :laugh:

Kitten
09-02-2007, 09:28 PM
Everything I said came true.

Haha, I'm not sure if you're talking about how you vehemently denied Fox being better than Sheik for like a ****ing year.

Gustav Wind
09-02-2007, 09:29 PM
Haha, I'm not sure if you're talking about how you vehemently denied Fox being better than Sheik for like a ****ing year.

Mew2king still denies that and nobody gives him **** about it =P

StripesOrBars
09-03-2007, 01:38 AM
Can Win (in no particular order)

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco

Can't

Everybody else

**** Garbage


Kirby

Wow, I agree.

Except, maybe make a " Can win sometimes" with only Peach there.

Haha, I'm not sure if you're talking about how you vehemently denied Fox being better than Sheik for like a ****ing year.
I never said Shiek was better than Fox.

I said Fox is not a Shiek counter and that Shiek needs to be moved to top with Falco and Fox as well as Marth.

Even though she probably is "if played perfectly".

LOL.

BigRick
09-03-2007, 12:48 PM
Can Win (in no particular order)

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco

Can't

Everybody else

**** Garbage

Kirby

lol

I would make a ''Can win if your first name is Chu'' category for the IC's

KevinM
09-03-2007, 01:15 PM
I would put **** garbage for pichu as well actually

Pichu is pretty ****in awful

StripesOrBars
09-03-2007, 01:23 PM
I don't wanna wait.

NJzFinest
09-03-2007, 01:52 PM
I think Captain Falcon is worth a "can win sometimes" along with Peach.

TheManaLord
09-03-2007, 02:29 PM
The ones who can win sometimes are Peach, Falcon, and IC's.

And that's a really big SOMETIMES.

NJzFinest
09-03-2007, 02:51 PM
The ones who can win sometimes are Peach, Falcon, and IC's.

And that's a really big SOMETIMES.
Only ICs if it's Chu Dat :p