View Full Version : The 2006-2008 Tier list
Demongod86
09-03-2007, 03:03 PM
Top tier:
Fox, Falcon, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Samus, Peach in no particular order.
Frankly I don't think that any of these character matchups favor one or the other to such a great extent that there is a clear distinction.
1) Do I have to mention that the best players to ever play SSBM played Falcon and Marth?
2) Do I have to mention that DBR's best player mains Sheik (DSF), and that Japan's best player (Captain Jack) mains Sheik?
3) The space animal duo is self-explanatory, but they're not without their weaknesses. In fact, just as they can shine-cheese Falcon and Sheik, Falcon and Sheik are not without their distinct anti-space animal advantages in the form of such ridiculousness as knees from a much lower %, or needle-cheese on the recovery.
4) Peach and Samus are there because their recoveries basically force you to boot them out of the stage rather than edge-guard them, which adds a sick amount of staying power.
That said, I have no idea why Falcon's raptor boost leaves you unable to do anything else afterwards...
Gustav Wind
09-03-2007, 03:08 PM
Top tier:
Fox, Falcon, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Samus, Peach in no particular order.
Frankly I don't think that any of these character matchups favor one or the other to such a great extent that there is a clear distinction.
1) Do I have to mention that the best players to ever play SSBM played Falcon and Marth?
2) Do I have to mention that DBR's best player mains Sheik (DSF), and that Japan's best player (Captain Jack) mains Sheik?
3) The space animal duo is self-explanatory, but they're not without their weaknesses. In fact, just as they can shine-cheese Falcon and Sheik, Falcon and Sheik are not without their distinct anti-space animal advantages in the form of such ridiculousness as knees from a much lower %, or needle-cheese on the recovery.
4) Peach and Samus are there because their recoveries basically force you to boot them out of the stage rather than edge-guard them, which adds a sick amount of staying power.
That said, I have no idea why Falcon's raptor boost leaves you unable to do anything else afterwards...
Frankly, you are wrong.
Falcon is quite bad against spacies. The fact that isai played falcon and won with him before the metagame became well developed is irrelevant.
Peach is decent but she doesn't quite get there, and she has nothing against a good marth.
Same for samus. Recovery hardly matters when the top tier characters have insane KOing power (marth's spike/tipper, fox's vertical kills).
TheManaLord
09-03-2007, 03:10 PM
Only ICs if it's Chu Dat :p
Yes that's a given :laugh:
OR WOBBLEZ 1ST PLACE EVO SOUTH!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111
NJzFinest
09-03-2007, 05:22 PM
1) Do I have to mention that the best players to ever play SSBM played Falcon and Marth?
They were the best players back in there time, this is now a new era where the top players period (M2K, PC, and KDJ) use Fox, Falco, Sheik, and Marth.
2) Do I have to mention that DBR's best player mains Sheik (DSF), and that Japan's best player (Captain Jack) mains Sheik?
DBR sucks lol, but anyways, M2K and KDJ use Sheik and (like I just mentioned) they are top players.
4) Peach and Samus are there because their recoveries basically force you to boot them out of the stage rather than edge-guard them, which adds a sick amount of staying power.
Ummm...no? They are just a harder to edgeguard lol
And, sure, recovery is important, but it doesn't matter "that much". Look at the space animals and Sheik lmao. What really matters is how good a character is when on the stage.
That said, I have no idea why Falcon's raptor boost leaves you unable to do anything else afterwards...
You can DI >.>
mog87
09-03-2007, 05:35 PM
I think one could make more of an argument of King or Silentspectre being the best in dbr. Regardless the rest dont suck but demonsgod seems to be stuck in 2004-5.
HyugaRicdeau
09-03-2007, 06:12 PM
They were the best players back in there time, this is now a new era where the top players period (M2K, PC, and KDJ) use Fox, Falco, Sheik, and Marth.
DBR sucks lol, but anyways, M2K and KDJ use Sheik and (like I just mentioned) they are top players.
Ummm...no? They are just a harder to edgeguard lol
And, sure, recovery is important, but it doesn't matter "that much". Look at the space animals and Sheik lmao. What really matters is how good a character is when on the stage.
You can DI >.>
Pretty much the only thing you got right was your first sentence.
DBR sucks? So I guess SS, DSF, King, Bob$, and GERM all suck? You have no idea what you're talking about.
Recovery IS important. Fox and Sheik actually do have really good recoveries, especially if you know how to DI for survival.
And raptor boost is basically a free hit no matter the DI (assuming you're at a % where raptor boost would combo ordinarily in the first place). You can DI so you take a uair or bair instead of a knee, but it's still a free hit.
NJzFinest
09-03-2007, 06:34 PM
DBR sucks? So I guess SS, DSF, King, Bob$, and GERM all suck? You have no idea what you're talking about.
You took what I said to literally. The only good people are SS, DSF, and King :laugh: (which everyone already know's, so I didn't even bother mentioning them..all well known players and I personally <3 King). The thing is that he said "best Sheik in DBR". Now tell me, how much does that term mean when we're talking other players such as Ken, Isai, Mew2king, etc.?
...exactly
BY THE WAY, I love how you didn't even mention all of DBR ^_^
Recovery IS important.
LOL
And, sure, recovery is important
I love people who can't read ^_^
Fox and Sheik actually do have really good recoveries, especially if you know how to DI for survival.
Um...you can know how to DI for survival for any character....
But yeah, who's easier to edgeguard? Space animals or Samus? lol
Anyways, I said recovery IS important....but how good a character is on stage is more important since there's others with better recovery than the top characters.
*cough* Falco
So Hyuga, if you were to disargee with me, that means you think that recovery>what a character can do on stage. So...wth??? I'll just assume you didn't understand what I meant/didn't bother reading.
And raptor boost is basically a free hit no matter the DI (assuming you're at a % where raptor boost would combo ordinarily in the first place). You can DI so you take a uair or bair instead of a knee, but it's still a free hit.
Ok? DI=being able to do something else lol. Btw, I wasn't assuming you're at the right %, I'm talking in general.
HyugaRicdeau
09-03-2007, 08:14 PM
You took what I said to literally. The only good people are SS, DSF, and King :laugh: (which everyone already know's, so I didn't even bother mentioning them..all well known players and I personally <3 King). The thing is that he said "best Sheik in DBR". Now tell me, how much does that term mean when we're talking other players such as Ken, Isai, Mew2king, etc.?
Not that many ways to interpret "DBR sucks lol." And Bob$ and GERM are very good despite what you may think. I can't think of a better Doc or Link, but let's not have that discussion now.
And as for saying "best sheik in DBR," I never argued with you about that in the first place so I dunno what you're trying to prove to me or why you felt the need to say "exactly..." I probably even argeed with you to begin with. Again, no point in having a discussion about that, just wanted to clarify.
BY THE WAY, I love how you didn't even mention all of DBR ^_^
Zel is currently inactive, and Hella, while good, is not quite on the level of the rest, but he certainly doesn't suck. Even so, having 5 excellent players (or even only 3 according to you), there is no basis for saying they "suck" at all.
I love people who can't read ^_^
Your sentence regarding how 'important' recovery is is kind of ambiguous. You say it's 'important' but then go on to say it 'doesn't matter that much' and that something else is what's 'really important.' I'm sorry if you think I misinterpreted what you said, and perhaps I did, but what you said isn't exactly clear as to what you mean.
Um...you can know how to DI for survival for any character....
But yeah, who's easier to edgeguard? Space animals or Samus? lol
Falco. I think Fox's recovery is way better than Falco's, even though they may look similar. And honestly I don't think Samus' recovery is that much harder to edgeguard than Fox's, but I play Jiggly so I might be seeing it through a different window.
So Hyuga, if you were to disargee with me, that means you think that recovery>what a character can do on stage. So...wth??? I'll just assume you didn't understand what I meant/didn't bother reading.
I don't know if i disagree with you because again, what you said about how important recovery is could be taken a few different ways. I took it to mean that you didn't think recovery was really important in determining how good a char is or where it is in the tier list, and I disagreed with that. Just because I don't think it's "not that important" doesn't mean I automatically think recovery > everything else. But I probably do think it's more important than you do, if I had to guess. E.g., Fox's recovery makes him decidedly better than Falco. I think Falco is "better on the stage" in the first place, so from your point of view I'd almost think you'd want Falco > Fox. Ditto with Doc's over Mario. And if DK had Bowser's up B, DK would be barely at Young Link level. IMO. I don't really want to debate those in detail, I mostly just wanted to post to clarify my position and how I read your post.
Falco&Victory
09-03-2007, 08:20 PM
You know what:
CAN WIN: Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik
CAN WIN SOMETIMES: Peach, Falcon, Samus, Ganon, Falcon, Doc, Iceys, Mewtwo(If it is Taj playing people that aren't Taj, M2k, Ken, Azen, etc)
No particular order
BigRick
09-03-2007, 08:31 PM
You know what:
CAN WIN: Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik
CAN WIN SOMETIMES: Peach, Falcon, Samus, Ganon, Falcon
No particular order
I do not agree.
Peach... ok
Samus... only if your name is Hugs
Falcon/Ganon... party's over when Fox/Falco/Sheik comes to town
mood4food77
09-03-2007, 09:01 PM
better doc's
caveman, and i know there are others that i cannot name for some reason
better link...i think kubu (if he still plays) is better than germ
StripesOrBars
09-03-2007, 09:17 PM
The top 6 are all, for the most part, even.
No characters in the top 6 beat each other that bad.
C@sH Mooney
09-03-2007, 09:17 PM
if ur talking about US docs then yeah,caveman and azen
but if Japan counts then S-Royal is **** good
and kubu quit if i recall...
haven't seen him play in awhile(videos) so it would make sense if he did
StripesOrBars
09-03-2007, 09:20 PM
Other than Japan and Emerica, all other smash regions sucks.
NTSC ftw
HyugaRicdeau
09-03-2007, 09:25 PM
Explain to me what Caveman has done in the last YEAR to make you think he's better than Bob$. Ditto with Kubuu and GERM.
And Ganon "CAN SOMETIMES WIN" but Ice Climbers, Doc, Luigi, and Jigglypuff can't? You're better off just leaving it as Samus, Peach, IC, Falcon. Of those, only IC has won a national sized tournament recently, FYI.
StripesOrBars
09-03-2007, 09:26 PM
LOL.
I knew Frotaz was a Peach player.
He acts like one.
Rocky
09-03-2007, 11:18 PM
Other than Japan and Emerica, all other smash regions sucks.
NTSC ftw
You left out Brazil... Haven't you seen Kizzu, Ryota, or Aisengobay play? They all look pro to me!
According to my Google search, half of Brazil uses NTSC and the other uses PAL (boo!).
brawlpro
09-03-2007, 11:19 PM
as good as walk is he is not pro(even tho he could kick my ***)
frotaz37
09-03-2007, 11:24 PM
LOL.
I knew Frotaz was a Peach player.
He acts like one.
YA!
HUPCHA!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH DID I WIN?
Gustav Wind
09-03-2007, 11:30 PM
The top 6 are all, for the most part, even.
No characters in the top 6 beat each other that bad.
What's that supposed to mean? Who's the 6th character anyway, falcon or ICs?
In any case fox, falco, sheik beat falcon pretty badly, and marth/peach beat ICs pretty badly.
NJzFinest
09-03-2007, 11:40 PM
HyugaRicdeau, it's all good. Nice post ^_^
edit:
You left out Brazil... Haven't you seen Kizzu, Ryota, or Aisengobay play? They all look pro to me!
...look pro? Are you saying that they are pro level because they make entertaining videos? lol
They would have to at least come to America (like how players in Japan have).
Falco&Victory
09-03-2007, 11:45 PM
Explain to me what Caveman has done in the last YEAR to make you think he's better than Bob$. Ditto with Kubuu and GERM.
And Ganon "CAN SOMETIMES WIN" but Ice Climbers, Doc, Luigi, and Jigglypuff can't? You're better off just leaving it as Samus, Peach, IC, Falcon. Of those, only IC has won a national sized tournament recently, FYI.
Oh, sorry I need to fix that. I mean, Chu has brought some pretty intense rape to the tournament scene. He has shown us the light
Brookman
09-04-2007, 10:40 AM
Stop *******izing Zoso's tier list. You're all going to just say "oh, but this character can sorta do almost a little more than nothing" to the point that it just looks like the real tier list. Just take it for what it was, a joke, and a pretty **** good one. (though of course it's based on reality)
Falco&Victory
09-04-2007, 06:47 PM
Brookman: Killing fun threads since 2005
I think that someone needs to make an ITEMS TIER ZOMG.
I'm getting tired of all the new tiers people are trying to make to gain rep. To gain rep be good at smash, not some horrible spammer. At least Dylan_Tnga can back up his trash talk to some degree.
And Yoshi for top tier
StripesOrBars
09-04-2007, 08:24 PM
What's that supposed to mean? Who's the 6th character anyway, falcon or ICs?
In any case fox, falco, sheik beat falcon pretty badly, and marth/peach beat ICs pretty badly.
Sounds like johns to me.
Demongod86
09-04-2007, 08:51 PM
They were the best players back in there time, this is now a new era where the top players period (M2K, PC, and KDJ) use Fox, Falco, Sheik, and Marth.
DBR sucks lol, but anyways, M2K and KDJ use Sheik and (like I just mentioned) they are top players.
Ummm...no? They are just a harder to edgeguard lol
And, sure, recovery is important, but it doesn't matter "that much". Look at the space animals and Sheik lmao. What really matters is how good a character is when on the stage.
You can DI >.>
1) I think Ken and Isai would still rape face if they played today.
2) Zelgadis, DSF, Bob$, SS, and King are the tourney-worthy DBR players, and so, they are the ones I'm talking about.
3) Recovery absolutely matters. It can make or break a character. If captain falcon had a godly recovery, he'd probably be rated hands down better than fox.
4) As for what you can do after a raptor boost, I meant when YOU do it, not when you're hit by it. Like you can Up B after Luigi's or Pika's, but not after the raptor boost, which is really gay IMO given that falcon's recovery is his achilles heel.
NJzFinest
09-04-2007, 09:10 PM
1) I think Ken and Isai would still rape face if they played today.
M2K, PC Chris, KDJ>Ken and Isai, end of story
2) Zelgadis, DSF, Bob$, SS, and King are the tourney-worthy DBR players, and so, they are the ones I'm talking about.
You seem to of miss my post of where I mention that some of the members of DBR are great players. Nevertheless, the top players>>>DBR, there's a good number of pros who make fun of DBR lol.
PS, Zelgadis sucks
3) Recovery absolutely matters. It can make or break a character. If captain falcon had a godly recovery, he'd probably be rated hands down better than fox.
DUDE, I SAID RECOVERY IS IMPORTANT. But guess what, Captain Falcon is STILL HIGHER THAN MOST OF THE CHARACTERS IN THE GAME WITH HIS BAD RECOVERY.
Wanna know why? Because he's soooo beastly on stage.
PLEASE, explain why Falco is so high despite his recovery?????
4) As for what you can do after a raptor boost, I meant when YOU do it, not when you're hit by it. Like you can Up B after Luigi's or Pika's, but not after the raptor boost, which is really gay IMO given that falcon's recovery is his achilles heel.
You totally made it clear in your post :laugh:
KevinM
09-04-2007, 09:16 PM
The level of stupid makes me sad :(
As for the tiers they don't exist srsly
Bowser is too good and i mean i just rape with him
People that listen to tiers just think they are good cause their character is number one, i'll school everyone with pichu.
Aesir
09-04-2007, 09:21 PM
DBR is good its just they're way to flashy. >_>
MASAHIROx
09-04-2007, 09:27 PM
germ has gotten a lot better. hes plays smarter now.
marth
fox
falco
sheik
peach
CF
dose anyone disagree?
StripesOrBars
09-04-2007, 09:33 PM
The level of stupid makes me sad :(
As for the tiers they don't exist srsly
Bowser is too good and i mean i just rape with him
People that listen to tiers just think they are good cause their character is number one, i'll school everyone with pichu.
No you won't.
mog87
09-04-2007, 10:01 PM
DBR is good its just they're way to flashy. >_>
lol again this isnt 2005? They all play pretty normal.
whatwhatwhatwhatwhat
09-04-2007, 10:10 PM
M2K, PC Chris, KDJ>Ken and Isai, end of story
Chu exists. And KDJ missed OC3, FCD, Pound 2, and the Evos. (every big tourney in the past 4 months)
Also, saying Ken can't compete with any of the top players anymore is stupid. 4th at OC3 ain't bad. Neither is 1st at Evo World, which had absolutely the biggest turnout for any smash tourney ever.
mario-man
09-04-2007, 10:30 PM
No you won't.
Ummm....is your sarcasm detector on?? Cuz that was BLATANT sarcasm. I got flamed by Kevin for sayin basically the same thing that he just said. LOL
BigRick
09-04-2007, 10:48 PM
Ummm....is your sarcasm detector on?? Cuz that was BLATANT sarcasm. I got flamed by Kevin for sayin basically the same thing that he just said. LOL
KevinM is cool.
He does what he wants.
Sounds like johns to me.
It's not johns. It's just the truth. Bad matchups exist.
mario-man
09-04-2007, 10:56 PM
That's the problem. You never know how he'll react......
bladeofapollo
09-05-2007, 01:17 AM
PLEASE, explain why Falco is so high despite his recovery?????
It's tough to say, really... even PC says that Falco sucks compared to Fox. I'm not (completely) saying he doesn't deserve the spot, I'm just noting that a lot of pro's have disowned Falco a bit.
1) I think Ken and Isai would still rape face if they played today.
2) Zelgadis, DSF, Bob$, SS, and King are the tourney-worthy DBR players, and so, they are the ones I'm talking about.
3) Recovery absolutely matters. It can make or break a character. If captain falcon had a godly recovery, he'd probably be rated hands down better than fox.
4) As for what you can do after a raptor boost, I meant when YOU do it, not when you're hit by it. Like you can Up B after Luigi's or Pika's, but not after the raptor boost, which is really gay IMO given that falcon's recovery is his achilles heel.
Ken got first place at EVO world.
germ has gotten a lot better. hes plays smarter now.
marth
fox
falco
sheik
peach
CF
dose anyone disagree?
I disagree with the tier part
Fox
Marth
Sheik
Falco
Peach
IC
It's tough to say, really... even PC says that Falco sucks compared to Fox. I'm not (completely) saying he doesn't deserve the spot, I'm just noting that a lot of pro's have disowned Falco a bit.
I think the game has gone so far that characters with more potential are actually the best finally, Fox's used to lose pretty badly to falcos but with experience with correct DI, shine gimp kills, fox's superior speed its more even now than ever. Also there are a lot more people who know how to get around lasers, and how to avoid being pillar'd, and people understand how to combo falco now and gimp his recovery really badly.
I think in a few more years the only playable character might be fox simply because he is so much faster.
StripesOrBars
09-05-2007, 07:48 AM
It's not johns. It's just the truth. Bad matchups exist.
There can be bad matchups, but I still hear character johns.
Even Mew2King who uses the 2 best characters in the game has something gripe about, even when he wins.
The top 5 can beat each other just fine, with Falcon doing ok vs the 5.
They all can win.
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