View Full Version : The 2006-2008 Tier list
max32090
09-07-2007, 10:10 PM
ever seen da dav3's link?
heety9
09-08-2007, 03:17 AM
Why isn't Sheik at the top!?!?!??!
Dear God, I love scrubs who join and think they know everything. Please, send more of them.
The end.
http://pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF006AD-The_Tree_Of_Irony.jpg
NJzFinest
09-08-2007, 12:49 PM
Trevyn's Link!!!!!
TheManaLord
09-08-2007, 03:28 PM
http://pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF006AD-The_Tree_Of_Irony.jpg
Mmmm, perry bible fellowship.
Rocky
09-09-2007, 12:18 AM
Mmmm, perry bible fellowship.
Mmmm, Perry Bible Fellowship indeed.
Falco&Victory
09-09-2007, 12:38 AM
Why isn't Sheik at the top!?!?!??!
Because higher characters do better in 1v1 tourney matches :uzi: :psycho::rocket:
phish-it
09-09-2007, 12:48 AM
Yes I can, lol..
Like brookman said just because mewtwo sucks and you somehow win with him doesn't mean he takes more skill.
By your logic m2k should be able to beat PC just by using mewtwo.
I think people are getting two different terms of skill confused.
Yes, in order to play a perfect or near perfect Fox you would need inhuman reflexes and ridiculous tech skill. So theoretically yes, considering the amount of skill Fox takes to play at that level, He would be the hardest to master in the game.
However.... You don't even need to play a perfect fox to be "good" with him. Especially since that level of mastery is practically impossible to achieve.
So bringing up the low tier high tier argument that $hYne was talking about is the whole other type of skill.
Obviously Mewtwo is an overall poor character, and in a perfect world takes less skill to play than a maximum potential fox.
The reason being is, that Fox is such a broken character that he doesn't even need to be played remotely close to his full potential to beat a Mewtwo of the same skill.
However the Mewtwo player will be able to beat the fox player, if he is the better player skillwise.
Heres something that might make a little more sense:
If a sheik player beats a bowser, does that mean the Sheik is the better player?
It might, it might not.
But if the Bowser player beats the sheik, does that mean the Bowser is the better player?
You'd better ****ing Believe it.
Aesir
09-09-2007, 01:12 AM
I think people are getting two different terms of skill confused.
Yes, in order to play a perfect or near perfect Fox you would need inhuman reflexes and ridiculous tech skill. So theoretically yes, considering the amount of skill Fox takes to play at that level, He would be the hardest to master in the game.
However.... You don't even need to play a perfect fox to be "good" with him. Especially since that level of mastery is practically impossible to achieve.
So bringing up the low tier high tier argument that $hYne was talking about is the whole other type of skill.
Obviously Mewtwo is an overall poor character, and in a perfect world takes less skill to play than a maximum potential fox.
The reason being is, that Fox is such a broken character that he doesn't even need to be played remotely close to his full potential to beat a Mewtwo of the same skill.
However the Mewtwo player will be able to beat the fox player, if he is the better player skillwise.
Heres something that might make a little more sense:
If a sheik player beats a bowser, does that mean the Sheik is the better player?
It might, it might not.
But if the Bowser player beats the sheik, does that mean the Bowser is the better player?
You'd better ****ing Believe it.
No one disagrees with that, the whole argument that using a low tier is a true test of skill is retarded.
Especially since all top tiers require just the same amount of skill to play.
brawlpro
09-09-2007, 01:32 AM
chu dat = low tier pro;)
Falco&Victory
09-09-2007, 01:35 AM
chu dat = low tier pro;)
You wish, if he can take 19 stock off a pro crew battle, I'm pretty sure that his main can't be low tier.
Bowser for top tier
Ridley for brawl
BigRick
09-09-2007, 02:03 PM
Like Chu Dat said once I think:
''Don't even bother touching low tier if you can't win with top tier''
$hYne
09-09-2007, 02:05 PM
I think people are getting two different terms of skill confused.
Yes, in order to play a perfect or near perfect Fox you would need inhuman reflexes and ridiculous tech skill. So theoretically yes, considering the amount of skill Fox takes to play at that level, He would be the hardest to master in the game.
However.... You don't even need to play a perfect fox to be "good" with him. Especially since that level of mastery is practically impossible to achieve.
So bringing up the low tier high tier argument that $hYne was talking about is the whole other type of skill.
Obviously Mewtwo is an overall poor character, and in a perfect world takes less skill to play than a maximum potential fox.
The reason being is, that Fox is such a broken character that he doesn't even need to be played remotely close to his full potential to beat a Mewtwo of the same skill.
However the Mewtwo player will be able to beat the fox player, if he is the better player skillwise.
Heres something that might make a little more sense:
If a sheik player beats a bowser, does that mean the Sheik is the better player?
It might, it might not.
But if the Bowser player beats the sheik, does that mean the Bowser is the better player?
You'd better ****ing Believe it.
really really nice post .
The thing you mentionend last (Bowser/Sheik) was the thing i was talking about .
Sorry @ all for beeing a bit unkindly
NeeQueoHH
09-09-2007, 06:30 PM
Whens this being updated?
billythegoat
09-09-2007, 07:05 PM
how much of an effect do the tiers make anyways? I play as the ice climbers and my friend plays as jiggs. Since the ice climbers are higher on the tier then jiggs he says that is the only reason I can beat him. So my question is does such a small difference such as 7th vs 10th place make any noticeable difference?
slikvik
09-09-2007, 08:46 PM
just put mew2king on the first of the list and then do fox, shiek, marth, whatever, i dont care
how much of an effect do the tiers make anyways? I play as the ice climbers and my friend plays as jiggs. Since the ice climbers are higher on the tier then jiggs he says that is the only reason I can beat him. So my question is does such a small difference such as 7th vs 10th place make any noticeable difference?
Tier list placing does not affect matchups at all. In fact some characters are considered counters to characters ranked higher than them.
spike9407
09-09-2007, 10:47 PM
how much of an effect do the tiers make anyways? I play as the ice climbers and my friend plays as jiggs. Since the ice climbers are higher on the tier then jiggs he says that is the only reason I can beat him. So my question is does such a small difference such as 7th vs 10th place make any noticeable difference?
Tell your friend to be Fox then. You ought to be able to beat him if that isn't his main and you can beat his main. Proceed to ask him what happened.
drunkkunmonkey
09-09-2007, 11:08 PM
how much of an effect do the tiers make anyways? I play as the ice climbers and my friend plays as jiggs. Since the ice climbers are higher on the tier then jiggs he says that is the only reason I can beat him. So my question is does such a small difference such as 7th vs 10th place make any noticeable difference?
lol no matter what he says or who he picks jus wobble him then when he complains just say "no johnz you scrub" lol
drunkkunmonkey
09-10-2007, 02:58 AM
G&W for top tier! lol jokess
$hYne
09-10-2007, 10:31 AM
how much of an effect do the tiers make anyways? I play as the ice climbers and my friend plays as jiggs. Since the ice climbers are higher on the tier then jiggs he says that is the only reason I can beat him. So my question is does such a small difference such as 7th vs 10th place make any noticeable difference?
just a little notice , jiggs has an advantage over IC .
7:3 for j.puff
HyugaRicdeau
09-10-2007, 04:31 PM
just a little notice , jiggs has an advantage over IC .
7:3 for j.puff
Based on what? Phanna's gravely inaccurate and outdated matchup chart that he himself says he won't update? No offense to Phanna of course. If you believe that Jiggly vs IC is 7-3 for Jiggly, then I guess you also believe that Pikachu is harder than Fox, which is an insane thing to say. Phanna's chart might be good for a few general statements, but you can't take a specific matchup from it and expect it to be accurate.
I think IC's beat Jiggly about 6-4. I've posted why in an IC thread in the Jiggly forums.
Additionally, if you beat a high tier character with a low tier character (assuming there's not some exception where the lower counters the higher), ALL IT MEANS is that the skill difference between the two players in the matchup is greater than the advantage that the character has in the matchup innately. You can apply that principle to basically any matchup.
I think ICs vs Jiggly is 8-2 based on no reason at all. :)!
$hYne
09-10-2007, 04:55 PM
Based on what? Phanna's gravely inaccurate and outdated matchup chart that he himself says he won't update? No offense to Phanna of course. If you believe that Jiggly vs IC is 7-3 for Jiggly, then I guess you also believe that Pikachu is harder than Fox, which is an insane thing to say. Phanna's chart might be good for a few general statements, but you can't take a specific matchup from it and expect it to be accurate.
I think IC's beat Jiggly about 6-4. I've posted why in an IC thread in the Jiggly forums..
To be honest i took that 7 - 3 from phannas matchup chart and first i was only going to post
that jiggz has the advantage but thought id would be better to give some more detailed info
so i took phannas chart .
spike9407
09-10-2007, 09:35 PM
lol no matter what he says or who he picks jus wobble him then when he complains just say "no johnz you scrub" lol
lol nice one
Brookman
09-10-2007, 09:38 PM
Phanna had a good idea with that chart, it was just flooded with stupid.
BigRick
09-10-2007, 09:40 PM
Phanna had a good idea with that chart, it was just flooded with stupid.
Hmm Brookman you should make us a new one!
EDIT: The main problem with phanna's is that it was too pretty.
TheManaLord
09-11-2007, 01:24 AM
Yeah make a new one and make some matchups different...
Emblem Lord
09-11-2007, 01:45 AM
Hyuga: Let me just say that Xenogears was friggin amazing. Best RPG ever created hands down.
I was 12 when I first played it. It blew me away.
slikvik
09-11-2007, 03:32 AM
Hyuga: Let me just say that Xenogears was friggin amazing. Best RPG ever created hands down.
I was 12 when I first played it. It blew me away.
chrono trigger > all rpgs
Emblem Lord
09-11-2007, 08:49 AM
No. Play Xenogears and you will see the truth. Although Chrono Trigger gets the title of second best.
NJzFinest
09-11-2007, 09:36 AM
Sry sir, Chrono Trigger is the RPG of all RPGs. The impact it left on the gaming community says all :p
Emblem Lord
09-11-2007, 09:38 AM
Impact usually is a result of hype and marketing not just good games alone. FF7 is talked about alot but there are at least a handful of games that are on that level or better.
Xenogears was more underground and downplayed because of FF7 and then FF8 which came out the same year I believe.
Have you guys even played the game?
Edit: Can you guess who composed the music for Chrono Trigger? Same guy that did the music for Xenogears.
Yasunori Mitsuda.
Brookman
09-11-2007, 09:59 AM
I don't really get what's so special about CT. I love the game, and own the game, and it was really the first game that got me into games hardcore, but shrug.
Emblem Lord
09-11-2007, 10:03 AM
Eh, time travel. Views on true friendship, that the lines between good and evil can be blurred, the world is in shades of gray not black and white, solid story, great battle system. Being able to see the effects of your actions throughout the ages.
But RPG's are pretty much about story. And Xenogears story is just on another level especially in terms of character development. Chrono Trigger doesn't really break any barriers or conventions. Xenogears did plenty of that. It almost wasn't released in America because of how it portrays religion and philosophy.
Uh, who the hell cares.
Fox is gay.
Hay everybody! Stay on topic!
NJzFinest
09-11-2007, 11:54 AM
Without Chrono Trigger's unique battle system which carried onto other Square games, Xenogears wouldn't of been as good as it was. And yes, I've played it lol You also have to consider the fact there was no RPG as grand as Chrono Trigger at the time it came out. When Xenogears did, there were was already FF7. It's almost like comparing Ocarina of Time to Twilight Princess. Xenogears was far for underground (at least in imo, all my friends new about it). It was labeled as one of the top 15 PS games and recieved great reviews. Btw, t came out in 98 (FF7 was 97 and FF8 was 99).
*on topic*
Pichu and Mew2>Kirby, I don't see why Kirby is above them. Kirby is most def the worst of the worst, sure, the tier list considers how well players have placed, but there's like, 2 Kirby players lol
edit:
Post number 4,444! woot!!!
Emblem Lord
09-11-2007, 12:00 PM
Eh, it still didn't recieve as much as hype as it's FF cousins. I will say that Xenogears was the greatest of it's era.
On Topic: This thread can actually be closed now.
slikvik
09-11-2007, 12:05 PM
On Topic: This thread can actually be closed now.
indeed...backroomers need to go make a new list
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