Need help versus Sheik

[Oskurito]

Hmmm yesterday i played smash with the cousin of my friend. He played with Sheik and my main is fox we where on FD. Man! Sheik is so annoying ... I won (4-3) but it was a tough match. the point is : when she uses needles (spam or SH needle) i spam (or SHL if she SH her needle) my laser so when the needles come they vanish because of the lasers, should i do this always or any other suggestions? what should i do to avoid her edguarding (the needles)? I cant crouch cancel her dash attack wich is the most annoying thing because when im in 50%-60% she can triple dash attack to Fair and kill me... any advice with that? I dont need advice with her grabs im good teching and my mind games are good (i didnt get grabed too much but the second kill was because of her grabs) When I Uthrow she DIs so i DJ and Bair , should i do this or what? I want to totally assure against sheik because i dont want to lose with a really good sheik so PLZ HELP ME :urg:

[FastFox]

U-throw into u-air rapes Sheik hardcore. Just try to grab as much as possible. To edge-gaurd, back kicks off the ledge should do it.

[SirNegroJuice]

Definitely use up-throw to u-air, since Sheiks d-air sucks. If you're good at mindgames, try to grab her when she doesn't expect it. That unpredictability combined with the speed of Fox's up-throw should have them missing their chance to DI fairly often, which means an easy u-air. Also, you might be able to use your mindgames to tell whether she is going to execute a dash attack or a grab (seeing as those are often used while running at you). If this is the case can you try shielding her dash attack instead of crouch-canceling it? That will give you a free shield-grab.

[Oskurito]

Definitely use up-throw to u-air, since Sheiks d-air sucks. If you're good at mindgames, try to grab her when she doesn't expect it. That unpredictability combined with the speed of Fox's up-throw should have them missing their chance to DI fairly often, which means an easy u-air. Also, you might be able to use your mindgames to tell whether she is going to execute a dash attack or a grab (seeing as those are often used while running at you). If this is the case can you try shielding her dash attack instead of crouch-canceling it? That will give you a free shield-grab.

I know shield grabbing the problem is her dash attack ends right behind me but no problem really... thx for the help yesterday i drillshined her like 4 times and U smash because he's **** good DIng the u throws I dash dance like creazy and Dash WD back , etc. but he still DI it almost always. Thx for the help anyway :)

[Hylian]

Try drillshining then waveshine into a grab hit and uthrow uair. Also try nairs into shines.

[NF Alex]

If you can perfect WD, try to waveshine as much as possible.

[Oskurito]

Try drillshining then waveshine into a grab hit and uthrow uair. Also try nairs into shines.

Im **** good drillshining and also doing sexkick to shine. thx for the advice anyway

[Kirakitsune]

Sheild the dash attack and then SH out of your sheild into a bair. If the dash attack doesn't go through, JC an upsmash. If you can get those going, you'll see a lot less dash attacks. Also watch out for dash grabs. If you sheild grab too much, he'll just dash grab you out of your sheild.

[Oskurito]

Sheild the dash attack and then SH out of your sheild into a bair. If the dash attack doesn't go through, JC an upsmash. If you can get those going, you'll see a lot less dash attacks. Also watch out for dash grabs. If you sheild grab too much, he'll just dash grab you out of your sheild.

yeah thats why i use drilshining combos (or Nair to shine) and mix them with grabs but this problem was like 1 week ago i dont need advice anymore thx anyway :) (you mean Dair no Bair)

[Thespis]

she meant Bair, you didn't pick up that she meant when sheik dash attacks and lands behind you.

[Omega_Star]

Shine combos are your friend here.

[SirNegroJuice]

I know shield grabbing the problem is her dash attack ends right behind me but no problem really... thx for the help yesterday i drillshined her like 4 times and U smash because he's **** good DIng the u throws I dash dance like creazy and Dash WD back , etc. but he still DI it almost always. Thx for the help anyway :)

I was just wondering... are you sure you're being unpredictable enough with your grabs? Dash-Dancing and Dash-WD-back might be letting you opponent know that you're about to grab him, thus making him ready to DI. I don't know, it's just a thought.

[Zephy]

I needed help agains sheik too, but i think i found my answeres here.