Reaction speed, technique, timing, teh skill

[Shade_]

In order list them from which of those you are strongest in to weakest. And tell which you think is more important for a fox player.

For me, I think my strongest points in order are, Timing, techskill, technique, and then reaction speed, mine isn't as good as I would like it to be.

How would you order yourself and for all of you big talkers that think you have uber everything, take this reaction speed test and then find your average reaction time speed compared to everyone else before you say that I have great reaction time.

http://www.steriley.com/speed/index.php

[Hylian]

reaction speed,techskill,timing, technique

>_>...

[TheSlurminator]

That isn't a very good reaction time test.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

what about thinking and mindgames? -_-;

is it supposed to be "tech skill" or "TEH SKILLLLLZZZ"?

and what is "technique"? lol.

[Dalal]

I got 0.155 on the test - beat that foo....

Anyway, I think mine would be techskill, reaction speed, timing, and then technique. Well, actually, I'm not really sure on the last two. They could be switched around.

[crescentia]

They're all interrelated somehow; reaction speed affects timing which affects tech skill which affects technique.

Or, just define the terms more specifically and I'll give a better answer. =/

[Jeveras]

the most important is "teh skill," and i have "teh skill."

[TheSlurminator]

Woops sorry. I somehow managed to quickpost in the wrong thread... Don't ask, lol. >_>

But yea, what is technique exactly? Teh skill would actually make more sense :chuckle:

[RastaImposta]

My best on that was .177...3 minutes after I did it, they restarted it and erased my score.

Anyway, Mindgames are the best thing I have, I cant keep up with you and KOSMOS in teh skill.

[Myztek]

My average is .259. Unless I "cheat" and hit it before I even see it, then I can't manage to get anything lower than about .23~

I really want to/need to improve my reaction time. I just don't know how to go about it yet.

[RastaImposta]

Myztek, its not cheating. My single best was .027, that how ****ing 1337 I am.

[Shade_]

Let me explain them better now. Alright their could technically be another catagory mind games but what I did was break it down.
This is what I mean so this is what I am generally think about when I hear those words, tech skill to you might be a bit different than tech skill to me, but hers how it is to me.

Tech Skill:
People with good tech skill, generally don't make mistakes and have great controll over thier character. Thus lots of people with good techskill tend to be able handle characters like Fox and Falco quite adeptly, "hence why I posted in the fox thread" since they make little of no finger mistakes and things like that.

Reaction Speed:
Is how fast you can reaction something with out knowing that it is coming. People like this tend to be able to ussually bring up their shield, dodge or counter with another move before getting hit, and thus give C falcon, Gannon, Bowser, DK, and other characters with lag before attacking and hard time.

Timing:
Timing refers to how precise you are when you know something is coming and know what and when to do. Thus people with good timing seem to be able to power shield often, and when performing the same attack over and over, seem to be able to do it with little of no delay.

Example for people with good timing: If you use shieks side tilt by holding left or right and press A only when you mean to attack, and if you have great timing, then shiek should not move left or right at all, in between doing one move or the next, and should be almost a contineous pattern with no variation.

Technique:
Technique when I say it I am refering to how well the generall tehniqes, "positions you try and get you or the other players in" work against other players.

Example of playing techniques:
1,If you tend to always and only release your attack trying to hit with the tip of your attack to avoid shield grabbing.
2,Hold out long enough with short hop lasers to make the opponent come to you, and thus gain controll of the battle.
3,Run away until the an opening shows up and capatalize on it with a huge comboe.
4,Get them into the position to where they cant recover back unless they take a hit.

Its basically how good your stratigies work against your opponent.........


If you still have trouble understanding, then say so so I can clear it up.

And slurminator, how is it not a good test? Do you have a better one, if so, please post it.


And roster, you have good reaction, so its not completely lost.

[crescentia]

It's not that I have trouble understanding them; it's that the way they're usually defined doesn't make them independent values. Example: My reaction speed is good BECAUSE of my tech skill, or my technique isn't so great because I have poor timing, etc.

I see it like a continuum of values: Good tech skill -> Better reaction speed -> Better timing -> Better technique.

[Silent Wolf]

clicking reaction is kinda different than GC controller reaction. to get better at something, the best way is to practice that thing only, lol. this test means nothing really. why is this in the fox specific, even when its been posted in melee disc?
btw, mindgames>>>>all the things you listed, lol.

[RastaImposta]

I dunno, with Fox and Falco, I think Tech Skill>Mind games. Any other character though, Mindgames definitely win, but with fox and falco, Tech Skill>Mind games.

[Shade_]

I just singled the different parts of techskill and mind games, tech skill is a bit to generall, so thats what I did,

And that your saying your reaction is good because of tech skill, if you read, the defenition I gave is what tech skill means TO ME, it makes weird since to say that because you don't make mistakes your reaction time is great... If you get me, I don't mean to start an argument, but I get your point, hopefully you can get mine.

And roster, you don't even use fox lol, so whats up?

[RastaImposta]

Yah I do, I just dont use Fox against you 2 because: KOSMOS's Fox and Falco rape the hell outta my fox with his tech skill (bombsoldier and masashi style), and your falco has almost the same tech skill as his (assuming you guys have equall tech skill, well his Falco has ****ing bombsoldier tech skill now), my fox just cant keep up.
My jiggs should be able to take you though, the next time I play KOSMOS, I should be able to beat him (his TV sucks).

[Silent Wolf]

tech skill is never more important than mindgames. NEVER.

[Shade_]

Ahhh tell that to bomb, but it relly depends on who your fighting and how you go about it.

[RastaImposta]

Tech skill, if youre falco, one shine can end up being a 0% kill combo. Mind games can trick your opponent, but with falco, tech skill (in my opinion) is much more important.
With fox, one shine can kill anybody...

[devilishchart]

I would say the general speed u got with your fingers.

[REJ-]

I think that those 4 are separate, but are somewhat intertwined.

My reaction time is below average (according to the test), but my timing and ability to predict makes it seem like I have good reaction time. My techinque is good, but my subpar tech skills limit the extent that I can use my technique.