new character: vic viper

[tirkaro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Vic_Viper_T301.jpg/524px-Vic_Viper_T301.jpg
of all of the konami characters, vic viper, the main ship in the gradius series, has had the most appearences. he besides his own long-running game series, he has been a major character/LEV in ZOE, an unlockabe plane in AirForce Delta Strike, a song/character in pop'n music, a racer in a konami racing game, a song/character in DDR, a character in wai wai world, and he even has his own YUGIOH CARD(known as gradius in the american version). he should keep up his history of countless cameo's by being a character in brawl. he would be a very nique character being that....well....he isn't a character!!! he's a ship/object. it doesn't get any more unique then that my friend. he has plenty of weapons that would make a great moveset and he can be scaled down, since he was scaled down in konami krazy racers, and it worked well. oh and before you bash this idea, actualy THINK about how he would work before going "OMFGZ, HE ISN'T A CHARACTOR U STOOPID NUBCAKE!!!!11111one"
in a game like smash, anything can work with the right amount of thought.
hell there are fighting games that had objects as characters and they worked out fine. like fighters megamix, which had a palm tree, a race car, and other things as characters. and even the game, dream mix TV, had a freaking EASTER ISLAND HEAD as a character.

[Zombie Cola]

Dude, great idea, I love it. MUCHOS SUPPORT FOR VV!!!

[WR3K]

i loved zoe and i like gradius but

not only is it not nintendo, never been on a nintendo console, but

ITS HUGE

that would be weird seeing a little robot or jet fighter battle with humans and pokemon

[Zombie Cola]

i loved zoe and i like gradius but

not only is it not nintendo, never been on a nintendo console, but

ITS HUGE

that would be weird seeing a little robot or jet fighter battle with humans and pokemon

Umm, sir you fail because Gradius was on the NES, SNES and has been featured on the GBA.

[tirkaro]

i loved zoe and i like gradius but

not only is it not nintendo, never been on a nintendo console, but

ITS HUGE

that would be weird seeing a little robot or jet fighter battle with humans and pokemon

............yeah, read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradius
now. gradius has always been ported to nintendo consoles. mainly the nes, snes, and gba.

and yeah, it is big, but thats what scaling down is for ;)

[Super_Cool]

It's not a character, it's a f*cking space ship! That's like putting an arwing in Brawl! Heck, let's add Samus' space ship too for good measure! [/sarcasm]

And yes, it is too big. Bowser and Ridly have both been portraid as human-sized before so it's alright. Vic Viper..... is a space ship. If it's scaled down, how can a person fit in it so the space ship could function?

[tirkaro]

And yes, it is too big. Bowser and Ridly have both been portraid as human-sized before so it's alright. Vic Viper..... is a space ship. If it's scaled down, how can a person fit in it so the space ship could function?
when was smash about realism? just scale him down, and make him be piloted by a midget:p
or they can just make vic sentenit(I totaly killed that word:p )

and vic is an AWESOME spaceship, whch gives him rights to be in smash. and because of the fact that he is a ship makes him very unique

[Super_Cool]

when was smash about realism? just scale him down, and make him be piloted by a midget:p
or they can just make vic sentenit(I totaly killed that word:p )

and vic is an AWESOME spaceship, whch gives him rights to be in smash. and because of the fact that he is a ship makes him very unique

He is not a character, so no!

Smash is definitely not realistic, I agree, but this is just stupid. A space ship in a fighting game? He doesn't have arms. He doesn't have legs. He doesn't have a brain. "I think, therfore I am," but he doesn't think, therefore he is not. And I'll say it again, THEY CAN'T SCALE HIM DOWN. He is only portraid as huge. Ridley and Bowser both have been human sized before so they can be. There will never be a human sized Vip Viper.

And arwings are more awesome than Vic Viper can ever hope to be and will be in Smash before this sorry space ship will get in. However, since space ships aren't considered characters, sadly, arwings won't get in either.

IMO, this takes the spot of worst character request ever. Sorry Tumble and Hermione, this wins.

[tirkaro]

He is not a character, so no!
vic is as much of a character as samus is

Smash is definitely not realistic, I agree, but this is just stupid. A space ship in a fighting game?
thats why I want him. he's a non humanoid character which makes him fun.

He doesn't have arms. He doesn't have legs.
says the man who wanted Ogura:p

He doesn't have a brain. "I think, therfore I am," but he doesn't think, therefore he is not.
and that effects the way he plays......how?

And I'll say it again, THEY CAN'T SCALE HIM DOWN. He is only portraid as huge. Ridley and Bowser both have been human sized before so they can be. There will never be a human sized Vip Viper.
is there some sort of almighty law that prevents a non-cannon scaling down? stop making up your own rules pleeze.

And arwings are more awesome than Vic Viper can ever hope to be and will be in Smash before this sorry space ship will get in.
vic has something that arwing does not: a long history. gradius defined the 2d shooting genre, and is the most famous game spaceship, EVER. arwing would be nothing without vic


However, since space ships aren't considered characters, sadly, arwings won't get in either.
and sakurai said that....when? stop making up your own rules pleeze.


IMO, this takes the spot of worst character character request ever. Sorry Tumble and Hermione, this wins.
so that means he is a character then.:p
http://super_cool.JustGotOwned.com

[The Basement Dweller]

He's a space ship so just no he can't possibly have a grab either.

[Super_Cool]

vic is as much of a character as samus is

Samus Aran is a person. Vic Viper is a space ship.


thats why I want him. he's a non humanoid character which makes him fun.

Space ships are giant machines used to fly through space blasting astroids and sh*t. That's cool, but it won't work. For non-humanoid, refer to Pikachu, Kirby, Yoshi, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Meta-Knight, and Ridly and Wolf Link for possible newcomers.


says the man who wanted Ogura:p

Ogura changes his body around. The picture with no arms and legs was only picture I could find of him, which was shown on Wikipedia.


and that effects the way he plays......how?

Because it's not a character.....


is there some sort of almighty law that prevents a non-cannon scaling down? stop making up your own rules pleeze.

I think common sense should play a part in deciding who should be in SSBB. Shrinking a giant space ship to something as small as a human is, pardon my French, retarded.


vic has something that arwing does not: a long history. gradius defined the 2d shooting genre, and is the most famous game spaceship, EVER. arwing would be nothing without vic

Didn't Pong and Tetris do a lot for gaming as well? Let's put in a tetris block and pong paddle while we're at it! [/saracsm]

and sakurai said that....when? stop making up your own rules pleeze.

Once again, I think common sense should play a factor in deciding who gets in the game. If Sakurai wanted a space ship to be a fighter, the Great Fox, Samus' space ship, an arwing, the Koopa Klown Kar, etc. would be in already.

so that means he is a character then.:p

You suggested him as a character, so that is why he is the worst character suggestion.

http://super_cool.JustGotOwned.com

You only should write that when you won a debate, not when trying to look smart in defending a stupid suggestion. I could easily do the same thing now, which I will, since it is funny.
http://tirkaro.JustGotOwned.com

[The Basement Dweller]

At most make him part of the enviroment and then maybe his pilot could be playable.

[tirkaro]

Samus Aran is a person. Vic Viper is a space ship.
why you gotta be such a racist? ;_;



Space ships are giant machines used to fly through space blasting astroids and sh*t. That's cool, but it won't work.
*sigh* how many times must I say this? with the right talent, ANYTHING can be a character in smash. there are no limits. even the TETRIS BLOCK can be a character. just use your imagination.



Ogura changes his body around. The picture with no arms and legs was only picture I could find of him, which was shown on Wikipedia.
uh huh. so only characters with arms and legs can get in? you do know they issued the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination a long time ago, right? ANYTHING can be in brawl. and with the weapons that vic is loaded with, I doubt he'll need them.


Because it's not a character.....
AGAIN, with the racism, god. do you always wear that rebel flag?




I think common sense should play a part in deciding who should be in SSBB. Shrinking a giant space ship to something as small as a human is, pardon my French, retarded.
they shrunk the arwings to a human size in melee, why cant they do it with vic?(they were part of the stage.)




Didn't Pong and Tetris do a lot for gaming as well? Let's put in a tetris block and pong paddle while we're at it! [/saracsm]
oh, first spaceships, now BLOCKS? man, you ought to be banned for the amount of racism you're showing.



Once again, I think common sense should play a factor in deciding who gets in the game. If Sakurai wanted a space ship to be a fighter, the Great Fox, Samus' space ship, an arwing, the Koopa Klown Kar, etc. would be in already.
thing is that vic is legendary, something that he Great Fox, Samus' space ship, an arwing, the Koopa Klown Kar, etc. do not have.




You suggested him as a character, so that is why he is the worst character suggestion.
he is a great character.....just a spaceship....



You only should write that when you won a debate, not when trying to look smart in defending a stupid suggestion. I could easily do the same thing now, which I will, since it is funny.
http://tirkaro.JustGotOwned.com

I was just using it as a small, one time joke.....
yeesh, no one has a sense of humor anymore >.>

anyway, all racism jokes aside, you're just saying that ALL characters have to have the same, boring characteristics? well, I'm glad you aint making this game, or this would be one boring as hell game.

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Remind me to thank everyone that you don't work for Nintendo, Tirkaro.

We'd have Cloud, Sephiroth and a horde of Tertis blocks as playable characters, too.

[The Basement Dweller]

He wanted a Tetris stage not as a playable charcter he isn't that stupid. Give him some credit his ideas have been better than Glover.

[SSJ4Kazuki]

*sigh* how many times must I say this? with the right talent, ANYTHING can be a character in smash. there are no limits. even the TETRIS BLOCK can be a character. just use your imagination.

Now, Basement Dweller, what were you saying?

And about using my imagination? I'd rather not, to be honest.

[The Basement Dweller]

I must have missed that one well I guess it's open season on Tirkaro then.

[tirkaro]

Remind me to thank everyone that you don't work for Nintendo, Tirkaro.

We'd have Cloud, Sephiroth and a horde of Tertis blocks as playable characters, too.

I never said I wanted sephiroth, nor the tetris blocks. I just said that the tetris blocks can be made into characters if they're done right. I dont want the blocks AT ALL. and I never said a thing about wanting sephy. when did I say that? plus, if you were making the game, we'd have crash, usher, and venonat.ah, but this is off topic. back to vic.

[Zombie Cola]

Yeah, I didn't even consider the whole non character thing.....yeah this wouldn't work at all. Sorry for being so moronic guys.

[Super_Cool]

why you gotta be such a racist? ;_;

Space ships aren't a race.

*sigh* how many times must I say this? with the right talent, ANYTHING can be a character in smash. there are no limits. even the TETRIS BLOCK can be a character. just use your imagination.

Just because anything can be put in doesn't make it a good idea.

uh huh. so only characters with arms and legs can get in? you do know they issued the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination a long time ago, right? ANYTHING can be in brawl. and with the weapons that vic is loaded with, I doubt he'll need them.

I'm sure if Sakurai got this suggestion, he'd laugh. So far, the only characters he put in had arms and legs. Notice all of the newcomers had arms and legs. Notice how all the characters don't need someone inside of them to be piloted.

BTW, it seemed you dropped the Ogura debate so easily. Why is that?

AGAIN, with the racism, god. do you always wear that rebel flag?
This crap again? You obviously don't have any reasons why a space ship should be in Brawl.

they shrunk the arwings to a human size in melee, why cant they do it with vic?(they were part of the stage.)

I noticed this, and I also noticed the arwings weren't playable.

oh, first spaceships, now BLOCKS? man, you ought to be banned for the amount of racism you're showing.

Again with the racist jokes? Now you are just being stupid. You have no rebuttle so you call me racist against an inanimate object. Nice.

thing is that vic is legendary, something that he Great Fox, Samus' space ship, an arwing, the Koopa Klown Kar, etc. do not have.

Vic isn't legendary in the least. Legendary is if someone not interested in video games can tell who they are. Pac-Man, Mario, Sonic, Pong, those all are legendary. Vic is not.

he is a great character.....just a spaceship....

No, he's a vehicle. A character has to be living.

I was just using it as a small, one time joke.....
yeesh, no one has a sense of humor anymore >.>

riiiiiiiiiiiight....

anyway, all racism jokes aside, you're just saying that ALL characters have to have the same, boring characteristics? well, I'm glad you aint making this game, or this would be one boring as hell game.

I'd put reasonable characters in. By reasonable, i mean arms, legs, and living. If we let you make the game, we'd be seeing more objects in Brawl rather than characters.

[notftomearth7]

Okay, he'd be a cool Adventure Mode boss and he has a vast history so it would be likely for a boss cameo. Or a Vic Viper stage! Aweysome

[tirkaro]

Again with the racist jokes? Now you are just being stupid. You have no rebuttle so you call me racist against an inanimate object. Nice.
hey,hey, chillax dog. after all, we are just predicting what will happen in a VIDEO GAME. so you have to have a sense of humor.:laugh: after all, I tend to get like that when I'm losing a debate.
if theres anything I know, its to be a good sport. and you beat me in a debate! good job my friend! check your rep box!

anyway, I decided to go in a different direction with te vic idea. see first post.

[The Basement Dweller]

This is more resonable, but I still say no.

[Sinistar71]

I don't see why not, if sega can do it with Fighters megamix, why can't nintendo?

By "it" I mean have an inanimate object (and a vehicle, for that matter) compete in a fighting game

They had a Race Car, a Palm tree, and a stuffed bear with no points of articulation (when it fought, it looked like there was someone holding it and waving it around)

So I can see Vic in Smash bros., I'll even make a movelist, but I'll get back to you on that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighters_Megamix wiki article

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-PIeP3TZ7Q video featuring fighting car and palm tree

http://www.youtsube.com/watch?v=EcOn7GLa8B8 video featuring bear

don't waste your time making him a boss, go for broke!

[SSJ4Kazuki]

I never said I wanted sephiroth, nor the tetris blocks. I just said that the tetris blocks can be made into characters if they're done right. I dont want the blocks AT ALL. and I never said a thing about wanting sephy. when did I say that? plus, if you were making the game, we'd have crash, usher, and venonat.ah, but this is off topic. back to vic.

Did you not see the nice chunky warning saying that was a dream and not necessarily who I want in Smash?

Anyway, yeah If I were making the game, I'd have thrown NO-ONE out.
I'd have probably made a poll, and acted on the most requested.

By this logic, that means Dedede has 100% chance!

[tirkaro]

I don't see why not, if sega can do it with Fighters megamix, why can't nintendo?
don't waste your time making him a boss, go for broke!

hmm.......very good points ther sonny. okay, I changed it back to a character. I totally forgot about FMM. okay back to vic vipering. I was never know for flowing with the crowd anyway.

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Come to think of it, I'd actually try for Sadako, but not Usher or Venonat. <Spots Tirkaro outside window with sniper rifle>

[Sinistar71]

bump'd

People have called me many thigs, but one thing I can always be called, is a man of my word...here is your moveset.

MOVESET #3
SUBJECT: Vic Viper

MOVEMENT:
I could see Vic hovering a few inches above the groud. When Vic jumps, hitting jump again will give Vic a short boost, similar to kirby, but with more horizontal movement on each hop.

ATTACKS:
(Basic and Smash)
lacking any limbs to attack with, I figure Vic would attack through short energy bursts, spins, ramming (headbutt), and explosions. Perhaps a ramrod or "Harpoon" or even mines (for crouching attacks) could be used. I'm not sure what works best, I'll let you guys decide.

(B Attacks)

B: Laser
Vic Viper fires a blue laser shot from his bow (he is a ship after all). Similar to Falco's B in that it's not a rapid shot like fox's, but it does more damage in exchange for speed.

^B: Speed Up
Vic's rockets ignite and propell him straight up. Spinning while doing so, Vic resembles a drill, damaging any character that gets in his way. Tilting the control stick left or right can change vic's trajectory.

vB: Option
A small, glowing orb appears behind Vic. As Vic moves, the orb trails behind him like the tail of a kite. Any attack that Vic perfoms is mimiced by the orbs. Vic can have up to three orbs out at once. Vic's speed drops for each orb he has out, but he returns to normal after the orbs are gone. Vic loses all of his orbs when he is hit.

>B: Missile
Vic fires a large missile, which bursts into three smaller missiles, each able to seek an independent target.

Super Smash: ? (Shield)
Vic glows bright with white light, and fires a barrage of missiles. After the missiles hit, Vic charges into his opponent and unleashes all the power within him.

It's a prototype moveset, so feel free to critiique it.

[Chickenboy666]

There are a lot of Konami characters that I love, but I think they should give a slot to Hudson and another to Takara-Tomy (remember DreamMixTV, LOL, that game is awesome)

I think a Konami stage would be great to put some of those Konami characters, including PowerPro, Goemon, VicViper, Moai, Takosuke, etc

[Lord_Deathborne]

To all those who say a ship can't be a character, I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. Let me direct you to another legendary Konami shooter series, Twinbee:

http://www.toysnjoys.com/gbadvance/famicom_19twinbee.jpg

While those cute lil' buggers on the cover look like cute flying robots, they are, in fact sentient SPACESHIPS. That's right, they're spaceships, just like ol' Vic Viper - but that didn't stop these characters from branching out into a platformer and even an RPG. And the whole size issue? Hasn't this been covered before? Size is irrevelant in videogame series - and this series is a good example, with Twinbee and Co. going from size of starfighter to about that of a human being. Here the are in their smaller and more recognisable forms:

http://kobam.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Cg/work/twinbee.jpg

And if that weren't enough, Twinbee's ALREADY in a game using the SSB formula; DreamMix TV World Fighters:

http://www.hudson.co.jp/gamenavi/gamedb/softinfo/wfight/html/chara/img/tw/chara_twin.gif http://www.hudson.co.jp/gamenavi/gamedb/softinfo/wfight/html/chara/img/tw/tw001.jpg http://www.hudson.co.jp/gamenavi/gamedb/softinfo/wfight/html/chara/img/tw/jump_chr.jpg

Hopefully this provides the bombshell this thread was needing, there is obviously plenty they can do with Vic Viper, as was the case with Twinbee - not as likely admitedly, but not impossible either...

[Super_Cool]

-_-

Vic Viper is a giant space ship. SSB is about video game characters around human height fighting. He has 0% chance at getting in, and I can't believe people are defending this.

No, he cannot be scaled down. Ridley was Samus' height in the original metroid. Bowser was Mario's height in Super Mario Bros. Find me one game where that ship is as big as Mario and I will reconsider.

As for Twinbees, they are small spaceships that can function on their own. They don't need a human to function them. Also, they can change into a robot form, and from the looks of it, they fight as robots and not ships.

Hey, since you think this is an appropriate character, I suppose Kraid is too, yes?

[Lord_Deathborne]

In the Parodius series, he appears in dwarf form (in other words, "scaled down" - HA!) along with many other Konami characters, all of comparable size. Source: http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/parodius/parodius.htm

As far as the human form of Twinbee and the gang - yeah, that goes with that RPG I mentioned, but I think that's an alternate universe from the platformer and the shooter series, which is all I'm really familiar with since the RPG never made it stateside... niether did the platrormer, but those usually don't really require translation to enjoy... :grin: Yay for ROMS!

[Super_Cool]

In the Parodius series, he appears in dwarf form (in other words, "scaled down" - HA!) along with many other Konami characters, all of comparable size. Source: http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/parodius/parodius.htm
:dizzy:

*walks silently out of the thread, hoping nobody saw me get owned*

[Sinistar71]

How did I forget about Parodius? Thanks Deathborne.

[Promethus]

Yes let's add a space-ship that is probaly the size of Giga Bowser in.
And while were at it let's invite the Cloud sprite from Super Mario bros. and the Floor Tile from Megaman into the game while were at it.

And just because the thing can change into a animal does not mean it can still be a character.
The thing can not be thrown though the field so it rather gets blown-up instead.
What can AV, A^ etc. do?
Can the thing even freakin wave-dash?

But on the bright side it could make a cameo maybe like a throphy or a hard-to-see Easter egg on the Starfox stage who knows.

[parrothead]

Not only Konami's got a spaceship that fights using kicks and punches (I don't mean Vic Viper, I mean Twin Bee), but SEGA's also got Opa-Opa from Fantasy Zone that is similar.

And if Nintendo ever puts in a playable spaceship other than the Arwings, then I'm hoping for the Solar Striker from the Game Boy title of the same name:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/ssa/main.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Solar_Striker_Cover.jpg

Here is the game play of an unofficial Solar Striker remake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeC7FzwJJeA

And here is an MIDI remix of the first stage of Solar Striker:

(NOTE: Press the "Go button" on your browser if this link doesn't work.)

http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/gameboy/JDC_SSArea1.mid

[Lord_Deathborne]

How could I forget Solar Striker? I'd love for it to be incorporated in SSBB as a stage.

[hemightbegiant]

If you really want to play a spaceship in Brawl from a spece shooter, why not have first party Solar Striker?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Solar_Striker_Cover.jpghttp://www.virtualantas.com/images/solarstrikeu-gb.gif
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gb/a/solar-7.gif

Simple and addicting original Gameboy fun :)

EDIT: Parrothead beat me too it

[parrothead]

Also, if Nintendo ever adds an automobile as a playable character in SSBB the same way SEGA put the Daytona USA Hornet car in Fighters Megamix, then it would either be one of these vehicles (http://stuntracefxforever.ytmnd.com/) (except for 18-Wheeler).

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Dude, Parrothead, don't take his side! I don't want a spaceship as a playable character
in Brawl, because it would have to be able to fly otherwise it would be crippled and wouldn't
feel right. The concept of a space ship "Jumping" and "grabbing" people is beyond me.

You can't "Scale down" and "Nerf" it's capabilities, that just sucks.

Sure you can play as a car, a palm tree and some other inanimate objects in Fighters Megamix,
but that's a Tekken-ish game with LIFE BARS. That is not SMASH BROS, the game when things
have to be sent flying off a screen to die, it doesn't need a floating palm tree to be entertaining,
that would just be lame. Space ships aren't a race, they are OBJECTS. They cannot "fight",
and their auto-pilot movement is limited.

If Vic Viper was CONFIRMED to be able to function on it's own, I'd argue less, but I'd still
argue at the fact that "YOU CANT PUT A FREAKIN' SPACE SHIP AS A CHARACTER IN BRAWL".