Link vs. Marth help

[NadaisaGod]

I play the ***** the projectiles game, and take my advantage with sex kicks, utilts, dtilts, Up + B, and alot of shield grabbing. What I can't get past is Marth's edgeguarding. Usually, I'll have to pull a bomb, jump back, and hit him with it, fast fall, and recover with Up + B. If I try to fast fall and chain, he'll back away from the edge and spam dtilt. Usually if I go straight for the ledge though, I'll get a nasty fsmash in the face, and it has a bit of a range advantage. Any advice?

[Skler]

Don't use d-tilt (it's slow) and abuse your grab range. Use a lot of reverse grabs, Marth happens to be easy to reverse grab. Once you grab him throw him down and start to juggle.

If it's his edgeguarding you can't handle just sweetspot your hookshot and as soon as you "snap" to the ledge ledgehop a fair or nair (depending on how far away he is). If he is too far to get hit by either one then just ledgehog into a wavedash towards him and jab (this should hit him right as your invincibility ends). From the jab you can follow up with whatever seems right, downsmash tends to work pretty well though.

[SexyDoodles]

One thing that is effective every once in a while is air dodging back to the stage and then when marth starts his fsmash, smack him with the areial hookshot =P. Don't do it too often though.

[NadaisaGod]

Whoops, I said that I dtilt. I meant dsmash.

[Joeru]

ok I didnt get all the stuff u guys said 100% but
Im a Link player
this is what Id do (If I ever get the chance to fight a marth Equal to my Link instead of
Ek ^^;;;)
Edge Guard

Either Edge Hog
or Leave a Bomb at Ledge (Observe GERM in the Evolution Combo)
or just use the Projectiles Marth
for Martels sake his Weaknes is Mostly Links Projectiles
and Doesnt Link have a Semi Chain Grab against Marth? in your NTSC Version Since he is
Heavier than in our PAL Version
and Nairs as Edge Guard FTW
same goes for Bair Sometimes ^^

[Stos]

Fighting a marth , i use a lot of sheilgrab when i get to his range but to get to his range i use bombs and rangs toget close to him , once you got em in a grab his all yours (Not really) BUT wath out of this edgeguardin moves...

[tobg]

yah marths range is sorta hard to beat, thats why i tend to overuse fair, its got pretty much the same range as marth, and for his edgeguarding: if its on a stage like FD or fourside or something, you can just fastfall before reaching the ledge than hookshot beneath him, but then you gotta be tricky with the timing of your third jump, I always delay it, which always seems to trick whoever im playing, then again its just a matter of time till he begins to remember what i do.

[fray]

marth is tough.. i like to keep my space with him, using projectiles to do so. you must abuse ur grab range. techchase him to build up damage then punish them. also take advantage of marths recovory, IT SUCKS! a nair off the stage works (just dont get caught in their sword dance recovery >.>) other than that you should knock him out far enough to get the K.O.

just my input

[OcarinaLink]

Skler's got it; the one thing absolutely necessary to counter Marth's edge-guarding is sweeting spoting the edge. If you can't, hookshot low enough so that his d-tilt won't mess you up as you jump up from pulling yourself up. If you're gonna up-b, try and do it so that you're mostly away from the edge, and that you catch it at the very last moment of Link's attack. (you're still gonna need a lot of luck, though...) Don't rely on your Up-B to faze him to give yourself a chance to get back on.

It already sounds like you have some good strategies countering it. Sweetspotting the ledge, though, would be your best bet to counter any Marth.

[THE AVENGER]

how about bomerang and jump hit him and spin attak that good 4 when u get him week well u dont need 2 do it exatly like that well i just do wats good at the time;)

[NovA™]

The grab range and Marth's edge guarding should be the only problems vs link to worry about. First when he sends u out and if you are disabled wiggle out of it (keep smashing left + right on ur joystick). Second when he is edgeguarding and you just got front smashed take out a bomb and hit him, then sweet spot with hookshot and come back with either fairing or nairing. Fight Marth with projectiles, juggle him and do the grab down throw up + b combo if you really have problem with Marth. Either then that it is occassionally a even match up or Link has an upper hand because of projectiles but not so much of a upper hand. Once you get a hold of Marth dont let him go combo on him like no tomorrow.

[zeriph]

My friend plays a very aerial game with Marth. I do alright, but he beats me about 90% of the time. So, the biggest problem is when I'm up in the air, falling straight down into him, what to do? His u-smash is pretty deadly, and you can't nair it. I try bomb-dropping and moving to the side for a rang or fair, but he usually sees it all coming. Anyone got any sure-fire tactics in a position like this?

[SexyDoodles]

uh...

don't fall straight into him? just freefall away from him. save your second jump for when he tries to attack you.

[Skler]

Yeah if you have a double jump there should be no problem evading Marth when you're above him. If you happen to not have a double jump then try getting as close to the ground as possible and then airdodging down (to avoid whatever he tries) and using an ariel hookshot to keep him away.

[zeriph]

Well, yeah, why would I have a second jump? I'm talking falling from a high height, which would usually indicate I've used my second jump. The airdodge/hookshot is a good idea, I'll try that next time.

[highandmightyjoe]

Aerial hookshot is generally a good move for escaping Marth. Especially his air combos. You air-dodge his first fair, then he comes at you with another one and you aerial hookshot him away. Its generally a good escape tactic against any non-projectile weilding character.

I play this match-up alot so I'll try to help out with some other stuff too. Playing the projectile game works pretty well, but only if you are good at it. Marth is way faster than Link, and if you give him a chance to get inside he can easily take it. His grabs are deadly, but luckily you are one of the few characters with a longer grab range than him, so take advantage of it. Links out of shield game is really good, but over using your shield will get you grabbed, so use it sparingly. If you do get into a sword fight with him, which you should try to hold off as long as possible, then your neutral A combo is really good against him. The third hit of it is, I think, Link's longest ranged sword attack, and can outranged pretty much anything Marth does. You can also use it to score jab-grabs, or many other uses.

Also one of Links biggest advantages is how hard he is to grab. Due to your ability to play at range, as well as your long ranged grab so that you can grab them while staying out of their grab range. Also many of Link's attacks will push a shielding opponent back far enough to get them out of shield grab range, unfourtantely due to Marth's long grab range this doesn't always work as well on him as it does others, but it can help occassionally.

Most everything else has been covered. Projectiles are neccessary, bomb drops are great, aerial hookshot to get away, be mindful of the grab game, work on your recovery, and if you get in too close try to find a move that can outrange him, then get away again.

[Mann]

Use boomerang instead of the bomb? That's what I do.

[zeriph]

I use both. I try to make sure I always have a bomb in hand, and the rang is almost always flying somewhere. There's a big difference between your enemy vs. Link, and your enemy vs. Link and flying objects.

[tHrilla`]

im surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but, use link's side-step a lot when facing a marth; if you don't know why, look it up.

[DynamicDuo]

i seen a cool vid of ken vs a guy who used link, i think he was called aniki. just youtube it.

[zeriph]

i seen a cool vid of ken vs a guy who used link, i think he was called aniki. just youtube it.

Yeah, Aniki is the best Link player in the world. He's beat Ken a couple times.

[DynamicDuo]

yeah he's cool.