Rate ChopTheRed's Link (Updated 10/27)

[ChopTheRed]

Ok, Instead of posting a new topic everytime I upload videos to youtube, Im gonna just bump this topic and post new ones. That way I dont have 5 million "rate my link" topics all around.

Date: 10/25/06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZlEVs_0Vso (vs C. Falcon) NEW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqX_uSLg54I (vs Falco) NEW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJhtRtUWVIA (vs Peach)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c84DBPHkHJ8 (vs Peach again)

Date: 10/6/06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9DzXQhov0 (vs Sheik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpEaJ9bh9Dg (vs Luigi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_4J-luf6lo (vs Dr. Mario)


Leave comments on anything.

[FlipX]

I thought the end of the shiek video was pretty cool to =P. In the 1st video there was alot of random smash up + a's which didnt do much. You didnt get punished to bad (if at all) for them but just so you know be careful of when you use that because of the lag if you miss. In the luigi video though you should learn to use your up+b alot smarter (as an attack) because you missed alot. Also there were alot of random arrows that lead to you getting messed up pretty bad in that video too. You should learn to use your hookshot recovery because it would have save you in the 3rd video when u failed the bomb recovery and in the 2nd video where after your first bomb recovery getting knocked back you missed the edge with up+b. You used the hookshot at the end of the 3rd video which was better than you previous recovery efforts =/.

[tHrilla`]

There's so much to comment on, but I'll try to be brief. It seems you're having difficulty with shffling, or just l-canceling in general. Actually, I'm not even really sure if you implement those moves into your game; my slow computer made it hard to tell sometimes. Nevertheless, I noticed you missed a lot of l-cancels. Mastering l-cancel should be atop your priority list, and should be your biggest concern at the moment; you shouldn't be satisfied until you can land it every time. Also, when you practice with l-canceling, make it a habit to follow up with another move, any move (ie sidestep; attack; dash; grab; jump).

To point out the obvious--and I'm sure you get this a lot--you made poor choices with his spin attack. I could write forever about the aspects regarding his spin attack, but that would be a waste of time; use the search button. A few other basic things I wanted to mention, include: learn to ledge-hop and what it has to offer; up-b out of shield is useful to know; use hook-shot recovery more; shffl, wave-dash, jump out of shield; reverse-grab etc. etc. and the list goes on. I haven't mentioned anything about projectiles because you seem to have a decent grasp on how to use them; however, there's always room for improvement.

And, yes, I did keep it brief if you consider all the advice I could have given you from watching you play. I've decided to abruptly stop here, however.

[ChopTheRed]

Thanks for the advice. I'll post some new videos when I think I have improved.

[highandmightyjoe]

I know this thread is kind of old but I just noticed something that somehow got past me before. I doubt its very useful but I hadn't thought of it before. In the vid against Sheik there is a part where you threw the boomerang, then tried to grab, the Sheik player had moved behind you though, so it missed and they tried to attack you in the lag. But when the boomerang came back it went over you because Link ducks alittle when he shoots the hookshot, so it covered you to help prevent being punished for missing the grab. I know it would be pointless, and likely impossible to do this on purpose as a real strategy, but I just thought it was cool.

As far as commenting on your Link. It was different. Something not uncommon in Link vids, as he can be played so many different ways. You played a very grab heavy Link, which seemed to work in this case, but probably wouldn't against better opponents. Everything other than that has already been mentioned.

[Dark_Crono]

there was so MANY times that shiek could punish you really bad.
Work on shffling

[Skler]

I saw the luigi one (because watching Link vs Shiek is almost always a painful experience).

Well, you did pretty well except you need to work on getting back once your hanging on the ledge, you tried just standing up when Luigi was waiting for you and got poked in the skull.

Try and keep something flying over the ground with Luigi so he can't move around with his WDs like Luigi players love to do.

Grabbing Luigi is almost worthless because you can't combo from it (Luigi recovers from the throw so quick he can sex kick you out of a d-throw which leads to a combo).

You need to work on the L-canceling a little bit, but that just comes with experience.

[OcarinaLink]

Saw the first movie...I thought the ending was pretty cool too. That was honestly the first time I've seen Link's infinite-jab rack up that much damage in-game.

In general, I'd say try to concentrate on making your Link more unpredictable. There were times where you'd pull out bombs, then immediately throw it without jumping, dash-dancing, delaying, etc. The major trap that I fell into with Link was I would repeat some of the same moves I've done in the past. My opponent would learn to read my movements, wait for an opening, and counter-attack. Being unpredictable will make that job much harder for them.

You've got a lot of the tech stuff down. Now, all you need to do is learn to incorporate them wisely, and know when to use what. Try studying how the pros do things, and notice what they avoid doing that you're doing.

If I had any specific advice from the video, I'd say up-smash a little less. If the Sheik you were fighting was anywhere near pro-status, they would punish you so quickly. Up-smashes are very situational, and even then you need a degree of luck to connect with the third hit (the one that matters).

Also, get faster! Be on the move! Dont' make it so easy for your opponent to keep track of where you are, and what you're doing. Consistent L-cancelling will definitely help this. It'll also help with the whole "unpredictability" concept I blathered about.


Your Link is pretty good. Good luck getting to that next level.

[ChopTheRed]

I added some more recent videos. A few vs. Peach. I practiced L-cancelling and got it down pretty good but then I totally reworked my SHUFFL because I wasnt fastfalling consistantly, now my L-cancelling still isnt that good. Im going to work on that.

[Gustav Wind]

<3 bomb recovery in the 2nd new vid (vs Peach). Glad to see that tricksies like that help you in real matches ^^

[highandmightyjoe]

You got quite a bit better. I liked your application of the bow. Very few people really try to use it competetively, and it makes me happy to see you getting some use out of it. The bomb recovery was nice, but the first time you tried it it killed you, so work on it a little. Other than that my only complaint is that you seemed to be taking some unneccesary risks. You did a lot of attacks that where pretty punishable, you managed to make it out okay most of the time, but a little restraint couldn't hurt. And you did the upB in the air near the end of the second video, pretty much never a good idea.
There where some other things you did that could be worked on but they weren't such big deals. You didn't use his out of shield moves very much, upB out of shield, shieldgrab, jump from shield, those are all very useful tactics. I would also say you need to work on edgeguarding but then again you where playing against a Peach so its hard to tell how good you are at that. Overall very nice though.

[ChopTheRed]

Thanks. Yea. Everytime I watch a video, I see things I did wrong. Bad timing. Wrong moves. Bad moves. I see it all. It really helps. Same with the critiques from users on the boards. They help.

I'm gonna post one more from that date. I get horribly raped by a Falco, however I do have a few good combo runs in it.

Thanks for the critique, highandmightyjoe and thanks for the compliment Gustav. And thanks to the rest of the people above those posts, I hadnt thanked you yet.

Edit: I added one of me and a friend (CF) also. He is by far better than me which i think is a good thing. Losing sucks but i get better everytime I smash with him.