My personal opinions on Brawl characters.

[Neokun]

Golden sun characters need to be in this game. At least Issac and Felix [clone of Issac].

Advance Wars characters need to be in this game. Andy and Sturm maybe?

Snake is the new Shiek.

Samus will transform into Zerosuit, just like Zelda transformed into Shiek.

Shiek wont be in this game.

The guy from Punchout DOES NOT need to be in Smash. Neither did the Ice Climbers...

Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...

There will be no Tales characters.

There should be one character selection of "Pokemon" that would randomly allow you to be any of several [by several, I mean a healthy ammount] pokemon at random...OR

Replace Mewtwo with Deoxys. Now, Deoxys would have B moves as follows:
^ B = Switch to Speed Mode/recovery move.
v B = Switch to Defense Mode/some kind of power attack, or a specialty shield/reflector
< > B = Switch to attack mode, a swift power attack that can be infused with some kind of effect [random, like huge knockback or spike], could be made into a Swordsdance chain ala Roy/Marth.
B = Switch to normal mode, some kind of charging attack ala Samus/Mewtwo.
Other than that, Deoxys would fight in normal mode when using a buttons with simple physical attacks and specific Smash attacks. Also, using R would switch to defense mode but with a normal bubble shield.

Finally, SSBB should have alot of characters. I mean, we went from 12 to like...26 or something. This game should have many characters in it.

What do you guys think? I really love that Deoxys idea, a friend of mine and I were discussing it the other day. Ill add more as I think of it.

[SAMaine]

Your opinions stink... That's MY opinion.

[Neokun]

Oh, okay. lol

Anyone else want to contribute some IQ points to the discussion?

[SmashChu]

Golden sun characters need to be in this game. At least Issac and Felix [clone of Issac].
Yes to Issac, no to Felix. Just issac for now.

Advance Wars characters need to be in this game. Andy and Sturm maybe?
Yeah, Andy is cool, and maybe Sami

Snake is the new Shiek.
I think ZSS is

Samus will transform into Zerosuit, just like Zelda transformed into Shiek.
Finally, someone who gets it. Its been annopying hearing everyone say that there seprate character.

Shiek wont be in this game.
Agreed

The guy from Punchout DOES NOT need to be in Smash. Neither did the Ice Climbers...
Wait, Why. I'd like to see then. I think that there good additions in Nintendo's Library, and Smash. As long as Little Mack looks like he does in the NES one. The SNES one is UGLY.

Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...
I'd personally just like Snake, but there good characters

There will be no Tales characters.
Probobly

There should be one character selection of "Pokemon" that would randomly allow you to be any of several [by several, I mean a healthy ammount] pokemon at random...OR
I'd like them to finish the game

Replace Mewtwo with Deoxys. Now, Deoxys would have B moves as follows:
^ B = Switch to Speed Mode/recovery move.
v B = Switch to Defense Mode/some kind of power attack, or a specialty shield/reflector
< > B = Switch to attack mode, a swift power attack that can be infused with some kind of effect [random, like huge knockback or spike], could be made into a Swordsdance chain ala Roy/Marth.
B = Switch to normal mode, some kind of charging attack ala Samus/Mewtwo.
Other than that, Deoxys would fight in normal mode when using a buttons with simple physical attacks and specific Smash attacks. Also, using R would switch to defense mode but with a normal bubble shield.
Not a bad moveset, but I think Mewtwo should stay

Finally, SSBB should have alot of characters. I mean, we went from 12 to like...26 or something. This game should have many characters in it.
Yes, but I'd be fine with 30 if they removed some(like the clones). I exspect at least 10 new characters(including the known 5), but its possible to have more; pretty likely in fact(expect between 10-15 characters who are new).

[icymatt]

Golden sun characters need to be in this game. At least Issac and Felix [clone of Issac].
NEED is a bit too far. Would be nice? Probably.

Advance Wars characters need to be in this game. Andy and Sturm maybe?
I agree.

Snake is the new Shiek.
I doubt it, they look and sound nothing alike.

Samus will transform into Zerosuit, just like Zelda transformed into Shiek.
It should not be exactly like Zelda and Sheik, it should be conditional. You can't take out any of Samus' current specials, you just can't.

Shiek wont be in this game.
Maybe.

The guy from Punchout DOES NOT need to be in Smash. Neither did the Ice Climbers...
Yes, he does. Punch-Out!! is the last true Nintendo classic not yet represented in Smash Bros. And don't be comparing it to the Ice Climbers, because Punch-Out!! is known and well-loved, not a random game.

Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...
"Too Cross-platform"? Technically, ALL 3rd-party characters are "too" cross-platform. It doesn't matter at all. If they've been on a Nintendo console, they have a chance. If they're had entire series on Nintendo consoles, they deserve to be in the most.

There will be no Tales characters.
Most likely.

There should be one character selection of "Pokemon" that would randomly allow you to be any of several [by several, I mean a healthy ammount] pokemon at random.
...No.


...OR
Replace Mewtwo with Deoxys. Now, Deoxys would have B moves as follows:
^ B = Switch to Speed Mode/recovery move.
v B = Switch to Defense Mode/some kind of power attack, or a specialty shield/reflector
< > B = Switch to attack mode, a swift power attack that can be infused with some kind of effect [random, like huge knockback or spike], could be made into a Swordsdance chain ala Roy/Marth.
B = Switch to normal mode, some kind of charging attack ala Samus/Mewtwo.
Other than that, Deoxys would fight in normal mode when using a buttons with simple physical attacks and specific Smash attacks. Also, using R would switch to defense mode but with a normal bubble shield.
Why not have Mewtwo AND Deoxys? Deoxys is pretty swell mechanically, though.


Finally, SSBB should have alot of characters. I mean, we went from 12 to like...26 or something. This game should have many characters in it.
Between 35 and 45 is what I expect.

[freeman123]

Neokun
Snake is the new Shiek.
...or not

Neokun
Shiek wont be in this game.
Why does everybody keep saying that? No one can know that Sheik won't be in the game until it comes out or it's officially announced that Sheik won't be in it.

Neokun
Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...
So was Snake.

Neokun
There should be one character selection of "Pokemon" that would randomly allow you to be any of several [by several, I mean a healthy ammount] pokemon at random...
Did you say that so the rest of the things you said would look less retarded?

[Wizzlecroff]

Yea, I disagree with a lot of this stuff. I mean most people want to get rid of clones. Megaman and Sonic would fit into smash more easily than snake did, so to say they are too cross platform when they had big hits on Nintendo systems is stupid. Common... you randomly get a pokemon... so you can't main a pokemon because you never know which one you get? that is one of, if not, the dumbest things i've seen on these boards... and I've seen a lot on here.

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Golden sun characters need to be in this game. At least Issac and Felix [clone of Issac].

Why add a clone?Just have Isaac

[QUOTE]Advance Wars characters need to be in this game. Andy and Sturm maybe?

God yes.Even better than Sturm.....Eagle!!

Snake is the new Shiek.

When did shiek ever....

1.Become a man
2.Throws Grenades
3.Uses RPG's
4.Become a stealth tactician.

You cannot assume that sir....

Samus will transform into Zerosuit, just like Zelda transformed into Shiek.

Once again Sir,you cannot assume that.And if that were true,then why was she in the trailer as a full character insted of an alternate entity?

Shiek wont be in this game.

Because she has her D-tilt and F-tilt?C'mon man...Don't just assume..

The guy from Punchout DOES NOT need to be in Smash. Neither did the Ice Climbers...

Now you have just lost it.The IC's were very unique and awsome characters in melee.Why make them leave?I don't really side that much with Mac,but he is still awsome.Why not give him a chance?

Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...

That doesn't matter,Sakurai stated that the minimal requierment for a spot in the brawl roster is that the character MUST have appeared on a Nintendo consol.

There will be no Tales characters.

Shouldn't assume that,but the odds are slim though.

There should be one character selection of "Pokemon" that would randomly allow you to be any of several [by several, I mean a healthy ammount] pokemon at random...OR

Sir,do you have any idea of how long that would take.I take it that you really don't understand game design.Because you just can't snap your fingers and the game is there.It takes hard work and time,and this will only decrease the development speed.

Replace Mewtwo with Deoxys. Now, Deoxys would have B moves as follows:
^ B = Switch to Speed Mode/recovery move.
v B = Switch to Defense Mode/some kind of power attack, or a specialty shield/reflector
< > B = Switch to attack mode, a swift power attack that can be infused with some kind of effect [random, like huge knockback or spike], could be made into a Swordsdance chain ala Roy/Marth.
B = Switch to normal mode, some kind of charging attack ala Samus/Mewtwo.
Other than that, Deoxys would fight in normal mode when using a buttons with simple physical attacks and specific Smash attacks. Also, using R would switch to defense mode but with a normal bubble shield.

No man...just no.I rather them just keep Mewtwo.

Finally, SSBB should have alot of characters. I mean, we went from 12 to like...26 or something. This game should have many characters in it.

What do you guys think? I really love that Deoxys idea, a friend of mine and I were discussing it the other day. Ill add more as I think of it.

It's not about the quantity,it's the quality of the characters.

It's days like this where i'm happy that i wrote that into my location.Your logic sucks dude.

[dotdotdot!]

This might be fun

Golden sun characters need to be in this game. At least Issac and Felix [clone of Issac].

Fair enough, though i'd rather not have clones/

Advance Wars characters need to be in this game. Andy and Sturm maybe?

Good call. I love Andy.

Snake is the new Shiek.

What? That doesn't make sense. From what we've seen, he's a hard-hitting, middle-speed sort of guy.

Samus will transform into Zerosuit, just like Zelda transformed into Shiek.

I don't think she will, but that may be because I think it's a terrible idea.

Shiek wont be in this game.

Eh, maybe, maybe not.

The guy from Punchout DOES NOT need to be in Smash. Neither did the Ice Climbers...

WOAH! You officially lost me. Little Mac is an indelible part of the fabric of video game characters, a LOT more than the Ice Climbers ever were. If anyone deserves to be in Smash, it's Little Mac, possibly even more than some newer character.

Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...

So is Snake. Please note that Metal Gear has only had 1 original game for a Nintendo system (Metal Gear Solid for Gameboy) and that's not even canon. All the rest were either Ports, crappy unofficial sequels, or Remakes. Not onlt that, but there are several MG games that will never see a Nintendo console. Megaman, however, has had 6 mainline games originate on the NES, 5 on the original Gameboy, 1 on SNES, the spinoff X series had 4 on SNES, the Zero Series has 4 on the GBA, the Battle Network games have had several on the GBA, and there is a new series (ZX) on the DS. If anything, Nintendo has seem more Megaman love than any other company. Sonic, may be too "Cross-platform" but at least he's equal about it.

There will be no Tales characters.
Fair enough. The tales series has to compete with several other, more Iconic franchises. Pacman, Klonoa, Tekken, Soul Calibur, and Xenosaga are all arguably bigger franchises.

There should be one character selection of "Pokemon" that would randomly allow you to be any of several [by several, I mean a healthy ammount] pokemon at random...OR

Well, that's a bit of an unwieldy idea. It might be a little impossible to implement effectively without basically ostracising the character from being played by anybody.

Replace Mewtwo with Deoxys. Now, Deoxys would have B moves as follows:
^ B = Switch to Speed Mode/recovery move.
v B = Switch to Defense Mode/some kind of power attack, or a specialty shield/reflector
< > B = Switch to attack mode, a swift power attack that can be infused with some kind of effect [random, like huge knockback or spike], could be made into a Swordsdance chain ala Roy/Marth.
B = Switch to normal mode, some kind of charging attack ala Samus/Mewtwo.
Other than that, Deoxys would fight in normal mode when using a buttons with simple physical attacks and specific Smash attacks. Also, using R would switch to defense mode but with a normal bubble shield.

Why not both Mewtwo AND Deoxys? Mewtwo is generally the more popular of the two.

Finally, SSBB should have alot of characters. I mean, we went from 12 to like...26 or something. This game should have many characters in it.
agreed.


So yeah. some good ideas, some not so good ideas.

[Neokun]

Well, if the only real requirement to be in Brawl is to have appeared on a Nintendo system...maybe we should bust out some old school Final Fantasy chars? Id rather see them over Tales characters.

I stand by my Deoxys moveset 100%. I have never, EVER seen anyone use Mewtwo around where I play, and I tried using him today...if youre good with Mewtwo, then hats off to you. But I doubt he'd be missed...

I dont know much about Little Mac, I didnt even know he had a name, but I guess he could maybe replace Captain Falcon [I just dont see him making a return...].

I also think Bomberman deserves a place in this game. Id love to see Megaman but he would just end up being a Samus-ish clone. Sonic has alot of potential for being original but I dont think Sega would allow that.

Diddy needs to be here. If RARE wasnt full of ape-brained morons, maybe Joanna Dark could find a place in this game, or Banjo/Kazooie.

Waluigi needs to be here. He has begun to earn his place in Nintendo.

I revoke the random Pokemon idea, as now that I think about it, it does suck..but Deoxys needs to be here. Pikachu needs to be improved upon because the only reason he is in this game is due to his popularity.

Maybe Magikoopa or some kind of koopa or toad or something.

Daisy should be her own character, not an alt costume for Peach.

NO BABY CHARACTERS...

Birdo maybe? lol

Ill post more as they come.

[dotdotdot!]

Well, if the only real requirement to be in Brawl is to have appeared on a Nintendo system...maybe we should bust out some old school Final Fantasy chars? Id rather see them over Tales characters.

As long as you stay with FF6 and lower. We've had threads die in flames when they began to talk about 7 and up. I think FF3 might have a good shot, though i'm not sure Squeenix characters will get in.

I stand by my Deoxys moveset 100%. I have never, EVER seen anyone use Mewtwo around where I play, and I tried using him today...if youre good with Mewtwo, then hats off to you. But I doubt he'd be missed...

To be fair, when I said Mewtwo is generally more popular, I was talking about in the Pokemon game. He is utterly god-tier in the Pokemon tournament scene. You have to understand that sucking in Melee has nothing to do with whether or not a character will or will not return.

And, he would be missed. Awkward and slow as he is, he's still the Final Boss of Pokemon R/B/Y, which was my generation of Pokemon. I think Deoxys would make an interesting character, but not at the expense of M2.

I dont know much about Little Mac, I didnt even know he had a name, but I guess he could maybe replace Captain Falcon [I just dont see him making a return...].

Why replace Cap. Falcon? I think you may be underestimating those gamers who love and remember Little Mac.

I also think Bomberman deserves a place in this game. Id love to see Megaman but he would just end up being a Samus-ish clone. Sonic has alot of potential for being original but I dont think Sega would allow that.

oy vey... Megaman wouldn't be a Samus Clone.

Diddy needs to be here. If RARE wasnt full of ape-brained morons, maybe Joanna Dark could find a place in this game, or Banjo/Kazooie.

Fair enough. RARE really did drop the ball.

Waluigi needs to be here. He has begun to earn his place in Nintendo.

:dizzy: Well... if YOU think so...:(

I revoke the random Pokemon idea, as now that I think about it, it does suck..but Deoxys needs to be here. Pikachu needs to be improved upon because the only reason he is in this game is due to his popularity.

Fact: The only reason anyone is in this game is due to popularity and fanservice

Maybe Magikoopa or some kind of koopa or toad or something.

+points for Toad

Daisy should be her own character, not an alt costume for Peach.

:dizzy: Well... if YOU think so...:(

NO BABY CHARACTERS...


Agreed


Birdo maybe? lol


Sure, why not?:)
Ill post more as they come.

I'll look foreward to it

[HiddenTiger]

NO BABY CHARACTERS...Actually... I have a sneaking suspicion that Baby Mario may be appearing in this game. Not as his own character, but riding Yoshi. Think about it: In the new trailer, they showed a new stage that removed any and all traces of doubt over Yoshi's return. Why then, did they refrain from showing Yoshi? It's not like he could come as a surprise anymore. Unless of course, that the Yoshi we used to know is no more. It could be that he is now bringin' the baby along for the ride, and they can't show him because they're still re-doing his moveset. Also, remember that the aforementioned stage is from Yoshi's Story, famous for teaming up Yoshi and Baby Mario. Just a thought... that suddenly became a lot clearer as I was typing it out. Now I've convinced myself...

[icymatt]

Fact: Daisy, Birdo, and Waluigi are dead weight. They're only purpose is to give one other character in a Mario spin-off title a 'partner'. There are so many other characters they should add already that C-Grade Mario side characters really aren't needed at all.

Fact: Captain Falcon is coming back. There's no reason to remove him, and removing him would only anger legions of F-Zero fans.

Fact: Mega Man and Samus wouldn't be clones. They have several differences:
Mega Man CAN'T Roll into a ball
Mega Man CAN'T Screw Attack
Mega Man DOES NOT use missles as a regular weapon

Samus CAN'T Power slide
Samus CAN'T copy weapons
Samus DOES NOT have a robot dog and bird.

Fact: Sakurai wants Sonic in Smash Bros. Miyamoto wants Sonic in Smash Bros. YUJI NAKA wants Sonic in Smash Bros. A bazillion fans all over the world want Sonic in Smash Bros.

Sega would only refuse to put Sonic in Smash Bros. if they really hate people. And considering their track record over the past few years...that wouldn't come as a surprise.

Now onto Yoshi...just because his stage is from Yoshi's Island doesn't mean he's gonna haul around Baby Mario. Anyways, if he did, it would probably only be a visual thing because Baby Mario really can't do anything and almost all of Yoshi's attacks he currently ues are from Yoshi's Island anyway.

[ninja232]

Megaman is too crossplatform to be in Smash, as is Sonic. Its nice to dream though...
SONIC deserves to be in brawl megaman doesn't Replace Mewtwo with Deoxys. Now, Deoxys would have B moves as follows:
^ B = Switch to Speed Mode/recovery move.
v B = Switch to Defense Mode/some kind of power attack, or a specialty shield/reflector
< > B = Switch to attack mode, a swift power attack that can be infused with some kind of effect [random, like huge knockback or spike], could be made into a Swordsdance chain ala Roy/Marth.
B = Switch to normal mode, some kind of charging attack ala Samus/Mewtwo.
Other than that, Deoxys would fight in normal mode when using a buttons with simple physical attacks and specific Smash attacks. Also, using R would switch to defense mode but with a normal bubble shield. no that sucks mewtwo NEEDS to represent pokemon IT'S THE ONLY GOOD Pokemon well besides meowth only they can talk
Golden sun characters need to be in this game. At least Issac and Felix [clone of Issac]. no they don't i'd rather see a goomba playable then them
here's one MASTER HAND AND CRAZY HAND NEED TO BE PLAYABLE!

[Neokun]

A playable Master Hand would be stupid.

A Balloon Fighter would be funny. Why? Well, he would have balloons that allow him to fly around the entire stage at will. This would control similar to moving around on ice...it would be slippery. Popping all of his balloons would result in a ground based character with no recovery jump. Popping balloons would take a few hits each. Just trying to be creative.

I think Captain Olimar should be in this game...Im sure he has potential.

Maybe the character from Harvest Moon 64? He has the tools for a place in Brawl.

Maybe, just maybe...since the possibilities look so good, a Sonic character and a Knuckles clone. To everyone who hates clones, I think theyre great alternatives to existing characters.

I think that fully completing a Taunt should restore 10%. This would prevent people from hiding far away, and give winners a chance to recover a tad after a knockdown. It would also throw out the option: Taunt and hope he doesnt recover, or make sure to finish the job? this however might slow down the gameplay.

Perhaps the new link should have a Down B Wolf form, since it is TP based.

If Megaman were in this game, I hope he wouldnt have a stupid robot dog and bird.

If I had to pick six pokemon to be in this game, they would be: Pikachu, Deoxys, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Meowth. However, Mewtwo would be the first to go out of that list...he isnt as popular as he used to be.

ninja232, come back when you have some intelligence to contribute...I dont think you read anything here...

Geno would be a fun secret character.

[Sheik_the_Geek]

Snake is the new Shiek.

Get out. *points to exit sign*

[puff..jigglypuff]

me personally i think

snake is not the new shiek. from what i saw it looked a little bit like the mix of capt falcon and samus. using rockets and has a knee like falcon.

i always thought the samus and zero suit samus were going to happen like zelda shiek alough it is possible that after sausus big blast thing she may lose her armour making u zero suit untill ur power come back transforming u into normal samus again

i aint to botherd about more pokemon but mewtwo realy sucked so keep him out.

megaman etc i hop stays out. cant stand the little guy

[Starálfur]

A playable Master Hand would be stupid.

A Balloon Fighter would be funny. Why? Well, he would have balloons that allow him to fly around the entire stage at will. This would control similar to moving around on ice...it would be slippery. Popping all of his balloons would result in a ground based character with no recovery jump. Popping balloons would take a few hits each. Just trying to be creative.

I'd love Balloon Fighter to be in Brawl.

I think Captain Olimar should be in this game...Im sure he has potential.

He does have potential. I'd rather see other new additions, such as Little Mac since the Punch-Out!! games don't have any rep whatsoever, before him though.

Maybe the character from Harvest Moon 64? He has the tools for a place in Brawl.

Ahh, as a third party character I feel he's a bit weak. I'd rather see Sonic, Megaman, Bomberman, Pacman and quite a few others before the farmer.

Maybe, just maybe...since the possibilities look so good, a Sonic character and a Knuckles clone. To everyone who hates clones, I think theyre great alternatives to existing characters.

I'm afraid you lost me there. I agree on the clone thing but how on Earth could Knuckles be a Sonic clone? The only character from a Sonic game who can be a Sonic clone is Shadow and even then just because of the physical similarities. Also I'd hate for Brawl's limitied third party space to be taken up by two characters from the same company and game. Sonic is the biggest and only Sonic should get in.

I think that fully completing a Taunt should restore 10%. This would prevent people from hiding far away, and give winners a chance to recover a tad after a knockdown. It would also throw out the option: Taunt and hope he doesnt recover, or make sure to finish the job? this however might slow down the gameplay.

I really don't like this idea. Taunts are just there to..uhh...taunt people with. It'd ruin Ness' moveset because what would you rather do? Use VB only when a projectile is used and recover some health or just stay away and taunt a lot to get a guaranteed 10% back each time?

Perhaps the new link should have a Down B Wolf form, since it is TP based.

The character model is TP based, that's all we know. The Melee and 64 character models were based on OoT but not on Adult Link (since he could use the boomerang). I hope they keep Link's specials the same (but perhaps add the ability to aim your bow).

If Megaman were in this game, I hope he wouldnt have a stupid robot dog and bird.

As long as they implement it well I don't care. Its not that strange when you consider he could be fighting against a character who uses to balloons to fly, an electric mouse, a swordsman, an espionage agent, a plumber and a pink puffball or two.

If I had to pick six pokemon to be in this game, they would be: Pikachu, Deoxys, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Meowth. However, Mewtwo would be the first to go out of that list...he isnt as popular as he used to be.

Six pokemon? I'd rather the limit be four with Jigglypuff, Pikachu and Mewtwo staying and the fouth pokemon being picked from one of the newer generations that I know absolutely nothing about.

[SSJ4Kazuki]

...Samus CAN'T Power slide...

Hahaha, Samus CAN actually power slide in Super Smash Bros. Melee, using her DownB.

[GenG]

Samus can't powerslide... but can shinespark. Just keep running until you start flashing, store by pressing down, and then you can smash through the direction you want! May be broken, but there isn't any shinespark reference in Smash Bros.