My SSBB character opinions

[SwayneGang]

I think the original Smash Bros. lineup should automatically be in Brawl. I know half of them are in (Mario, Pikachu, Kirby, Link, Samus, and recently Fox), but the other half should also be included. I'll be happy if they are.

Metaknight- No complaints here. Good choice. Throw in King Dedede, and you'll have a downybrook. Though I don't recall him making any sounds in any of the trailers so far. I doubt he'll talk like he did in the anime (though that was good), but who knows?

Pit- I've said it with Ness, I'll say it with Pit. I've never seen this guy before in my life. I know of his background through magazine articles, but I've never played his game before. Aside from that, Pit has some cool moves for Brawl, especially the attack he used on Metaknight in the recent trailer. Don't get me wrong; Pit's a sweet character. For right now, he's like Ness was in the original Smash Bros.: a new face to me.

Wario- Do I have to say it? Yes, and I'm sorry. He should've been in Melee, but better late than never, I guess. <sigh> Anyway, I'm a little concerned about Wario. For one thing, his movements. He moves (and from the look of it, taunts) in Mr. Game and Watch's style. I personally don't see this as a fitting combination. It's interesting, but I don't think it's right for him. But, since this might hint that Mr. Game and Watch may not return for Brawl, this would be a good way to remember him. Also, I hope that Wario's yellow-and-purple overalls will be an alternate costume for him, though it probably will. I have nothing against the WarioWare look; I'm just more used to the other one. And one more thing concerning Wario's special attack. I can hear him now: "Kiss-a my gas!"

Snake- Hmm................. To tell you the truth, I'm a bit scared about this one. He's an interesting pick, but I don't think this'll work out right. I'll definitely say otherwise when I try him out myself, but for now, I'm a bit "iffy" on this.


For characters from Melee, this is who I think should come back:

- Peach (and keep her the way she looked; that's the best design of Peach I've seen. Plus, she's sexy looking like that)
- Bowser
- Zelda
- Mewtwo (make him more offensive)
- Ganondorf (though tone him down...... A LOT!)
- Falco


In terms of other characters, this is who I think should be included:

- Daisy
- Krystal
- Wolf O'Donnell
- Nabooru (somehow rumored)
- Dark Samus (somehow rumored)
- Samurai Goroh
- Blood Falcon (if Goroh doesn't make the cut)


Now, for the 3rd party characters. Well, I know one for sure. But since there's gonna only be one, maybe two, characters picked to join Brawl, my dream choices are slim to none. My one "for sure" pick, like most, is Sonic. But now I'm stuck between these guys for the last slot:

- Shadow
- Spawn
- Heihachi
- Megaman



This is just my take on how the Smash Bros. Brawl lineup should look. None of it will be set in stone (I'll be shocked if some lesser-known characters do show up), so I won't mind the results. But hey, what do you guys think?

[shadenexus18]

I agree with dat hommes. However, I would not care if Yoshi didn't make da cut (even though I would miss beating him senseless son!) Oh Heihachi, great choice for a third party character bro.

[Corinth]

Snake- Hmm................. To tell you the truth, I'm a bit scared about this one. He's an interesting pick, but I don't think this'll work out right. I'll definitely say otherwise when I try him out myself, but for now, I'm a bit "iffy" on this.
Haven't you seen the second trailer? Snake looks like he'll be the most fun character to use

For characters from Melee, this is who I think should come back:

- Peach (and keep her the way she looked; that's the best design of Peach I've seen. Plus, she's sexy looking like that)
- Bowser
- Zelda
- Mewtwo (make him more offensive)
- Ganondorf (though tone him down...... A LOT!)
- Falco
what about Yoshi, DK, Luigi and Ness?!

In terms of other characters, this is who I think should be included:

- Daisy
- Krystal
- Wolf O'Donnell
- Nabooru (somehow rumored)
- Dark Samus (somehow rumored)
- Samurai Goroh
- Blood Falcon (if Goroh doesn't make the cut)
Daisy=a filler character. everyone hates her
Nabooru only appeared in one game out of the entire Zelda series, so it's a no on that
Blood Falcon should just be an alternate costume for Cpt. Falcon

[Devastlian]

Well, Nabooru's pretty random and Daisy is pretty generic so I disagree with those. Blood Falcon, if I'm not mistaken, is an evil clone of Captain Falcon, so I agree with Corinth on that.

There's only been one Tekken game on a Nintendo system and it was Tekken Advance and, well...I don't think that that is enough reason to put a Tekken character in (I don't believe many people associate Tekken with Nintendo). And since anime and manga are out, then there's no way in hell that an American comic character would make it.

Other than those obvious blemishes, your list isn't exactly unique.

Also, Yoshi, D.K., Luigi, and Ness are covered in the first paragraph, Corinth.

[Sensai]

- Ganondorf (though tone him down...... A LOT!)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean...but if you mean to say that they need to nerf Ganon, as in make him weaker, I have to disagree with you.

What the man needs is a sword.

And to the guy above me, Anime/Manga is out.

[SwayneGang]

Hey, Devastlian. I guess you don't like my list, huh?

Corinth, I'm not saying that Snake won't be fun to use. I'm glad there's gonna be a character that everyone loves in Brawl. But, I'm just..... concerned. I know this'll work out fine, but..... I just don't know, that's all.

What's the big deal about Daisy? Why does everyone hate her so much? I don't. She's got spunk.

With Nabooru, it's an interest of mine to see her fight in Brawl. I know it'd be the same way the other Gerudo's fight, but I'd just like to see it happen.

If they do keep the "Blood Falcon" look for Captain Falcon, at least have the announcer say Blood Falcon's name and have him sound a little different. If they do that, I'll be satisfied.

I'm glad you like the idea of Heihachi being in Brawl, shadenexus18. Granted Namco owns Tekken, but remember, when Soul Calibur II came out, they asked Nintendo if they could have Link be in the game. True, it's not exactly a cross-over, but personally, I think Namco owes Nintendo a favor.

Sensai, people have said that in the original Smash Bros., Kirby was too powerful. Sadly, I say the same about Ganondorf in Melee. I admit, it's always computer battles, but even on level 5, Ganondorf wins over a dozen matches before losing. It's almost like they made his AI too smart. I don't disapprove of Ganondorf; he was just too good in Melee.

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Daisy isn't very original. I DO NOT think she deserves a character slot.
I do think that Daisy should be given her own voice and Announcer name when selected
as a costume, as with Blood Falcon. They DO NOT deserve to be separate characters,
because they would be clones and filler, wasting space for another character.

[shadenexus18]

Sensai's right, Ganon needs to be a swordsmen with "Black Magic" as an added twist.

[Sensai]

Sensai, people have said that in the original Smash Bros., Kirby was too powerful. Sadly, I say the same about Ganondorf in Melee. I admit, it's always computer battles, but even on level 5, Ganondorf wins over a dozen matches before losing. It's almost like they made his AI too smart. I don't disapprove of Ganondorf; he was just too good in Melee.

Yes, it's just computer matches, and on that point I agree with you; it's due to his GOD priority attack which is his up B, that the computer spams.

In competitive Smash, however, he's not always winning tournies. Occasionally you'll see a few people be great with him, but try matching a Ganon's name to a Fox's name.

There are at least 4 times the amount of Fox's.

[T-major]

Wario- Do I have to say it? Yes, and I'm sorry. He should've been in Melee, but better late than never, I guess. <sigh> Anyway, I'm a little concerned about Wario. For one thing, his movements. He moves (and from the look of it, taunts) in Mr. Game and Watch's style.

no, not really.... the closest thing to Mr. G&W is his run, and even thats not close enough to be considered "G&W styled". his moves don't look anything like Mr. G&W's, and once we see more of him in action, we will see how original and awsome he is.

In terms of other characters, this is who I think should be included:

- Daisy
- Krystal
- Wolf O'Donnell
- Nabooru (somehow rumored)
- Dark Samus (somehow rumored)
- Samurai Goroh
- Blood Falcon (if Goroh doesn't make the cut)

you forgot Ridley. Dark Samus has no chance to be in before Ridley... and like others said about Blood Falcon and Daisy, I agree with.


Now, for the 3rd party characters. Well, I know one for sure. But since there's gonna only be one, maybe two, characters picked to join Brawl, my dream choices are slim to none. My one "for sure" pick, like most, is Sonic. But now I'm stuck between these guys for the last slot:

- Shadow
- Spawn
- Heihachi
- Megaman

who the heck is Heihachi? never heard of him... and Shadow?? Sonic dosn't deserve to be in, so he's out of the question. Megaman is good to go though. also, Simon Belmont from Castlevainia needs to be in. period! Castlevainia needs to have rep in Brawl.

[Destruction_King]

First of all, you did not include Marth on your list, which makes your list an instant fail in my opinion.

I agree with you on Wario. Not so much on Snake, and I hated Meta-Knight's voice.

For your other characters, All I can agree with is Krystal, Wolf, and maybe Goroh. No one else. These are the characters you think should replace Marth? A Peach Clone, a Falcon clone, a Samus clone, and lady Ganondorf?

Wait, let me save it for your third party list, a list (with the exception of Mega Man,) that includes some of the worst choices for Brawl I can imagine. Heihachi sucked in SCII, and frankly has almost nothing to do with Nintendo. He also doesn't really have that "colorful" Nintendo quality about him. Spawn (who was also in Soul Calibur II- hmmm...) seems to reflect Microsoft more than Nintendo. Add that to the fact that he's not originally a video game character, Spawn's not only a bad choice, he's downright ineligible to be in Brawl.

And then there's Shadow. I hate Shadow with a burning passion, because to me, he represents everything bad in gaming. Guns that don't belong to characters who fight without guns. "Deep" and "EMOtional" storylines that seems way overdone. I remember when it was called Sephiroth, and it sucked then too. Sega's seemingly infinite amount of "cool new characters" even though the last halfway decent character was Knuckles, and that was over a decade ago.

And this is the guy you want to replace Marth with?

Shameful.

(Mega Man is OK, but he's not really in my top picks for 3rd party characters. Geno FTW!)

[shadenexus18]

C'mon D.King? Everyone's entitled to there own opinion ya know what I'm sayin?

[SwayneGang]

:( Man....... I HAVE been away for a while. I wasn't trying to get on everyone's bad side (and if I did, I'm really sorry).

Destruction_King, I have nothing against Marth. In fact, I have nothing against ANY video game character. I would love to see all the characters who debuted in Melee come back in Brawl. The 6 Melee characters I have down will probably be the most likely to return. But again, overall, I'm hoping everyone from Melee makes it in Brawl.

Now, I have to disagree on Ridley being an actual playable character. Yes, he's Samus's long-time rival, but I have to state some facts. He's massive, he flies, he's a bit fast, and he can attack from a safe distance without being touched by most. But here's an idea: make him the Giga Bowser for Brawl. And also, make him playable through Action Replay (does that work with the Wii?).

Again, I'm sorry if I upset anyone here. This was just my take on the lineup for Brawl, that's all.

[shadenexus18]

Nah man, hold strong to your opinions! Don't let these guys humble you ya know what I'm sayin! I got cha back.

[Sensai]

'I got cha back' too, mate. Opinions are opinions, and they've all a man's got in the end. Stick with 'em.

I don't think you ticked anyone off, it's just that a lot of people are REALLY defensive about who they want to see in Brawl, and if their character isn't on EVERY single list, they flip (i.e., Destruction King and Marth).

Anyways....

He's massive, he flies, he's a bit fast, and he can attack from a safe distance without being touched by most. But here's an idea: make him the Giga Bowser for Brawl. And also, make him playable through Action Replay (does that work with the Wii?).

Bowser was massive too, and they sized him down (and still retained that 'big tough guy' look to him, even though he sucks in actual tournies). Kirby/Jiggly/Metaknight can fly, no problem there. He is a tad fast, so they'd probably have to slow him down and make him weaker, too (a la Mewtwo). His range would not be a bad thing so long as they balanced it correctly. Look at Bowser's fire (but...not ****ty, please).

And if he were the Giga Bowser for Brawl, that'd be fine in my book.

[SwayneGang]

Nah man, hold strong to your opinions! Don't let these guys humble you ya know what I'm sayin! I got cha back.

'I got cha back' too, mate. Opinions are opinions, and they've all a man's got in the end. Stick with 'em.


Thanks, guys.



[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=2][COLOR=yellowgreen]no, not really.... the closest thing to Mr. G&W is his run, and even thats not close enough to be considered "G&W styled". his moves don't look anything like Mr. G&W's, and once we see more of him in action, we will see how original and awsome he is.


I never said his attacks were like Mr. G&W (though his running attack is), only the way he moves around the arena. And his taunt. They just have the frame-by-frame approach that Mr. G&W had.



I'm actually surprised that no one's brought up the issue concerning Nabooru and Dark Samus, though of course, now that I've said something, it's gonna come up. But I don't mind.

[Sensai]

I like the idea of Nabooru. She was always one of the coolest characters in OoT to me and Melee's Ganon needs to be represented somehow (other then C.Falcon), so why not let her take his old moveset?

Dark Samus is not a great idea, IMO. It would be surprisingly easy to come up with original moves for her, but knowing the Smash team, they just won't do it.

[Destruction_King]

I don't think you ticked anyone off, it's just that a lot of people are REALLY defensive about who they want to see in Brawl, and if their character isn't on EVERY single list, they flip (i.e., Destruction King and Marth).

I'd disagree with you if you weren't right. It's true.

Sorry about getting really annoyed. It was Shadow more than anything. I really can't stand him.

[shadenexus18]

Hmmm...Nabooru huh? Yeah, I remember her from da Spirit Temple in Ocarina of Time. Putting her in Brawl? I dunno, she could make da cut.

[Sensai]

No worries Destruction. I, too, am very upset with the way that the Sonic series has turned out.

Any off chance you think that the Secret Rings will make the franchise a little less sucky?

[SwayneGang]

Sorry about getting really annoyed. It was Shadow more than anything. I really can't stand him.

It's alright. I just kinda take criticism a bit too hard, even though I expect it. Again, it wasn't my intent to piss anyone off here. Smash World rocks! :cool: :cool: :cool:



I actually wasn't thinking that Nabooru would fight similar to Ganondorf. She should fight like the Gerudo women do: with 2 swords. In fact, I thought of a good Down+B move for her. It would be a counter similar to Marth and Roy, but when executed, she'll stand sideways and swipe in both directions. In essence, she'll be able to hit 2 people with 1 move. Nice, huh?


With Dark Samus, I admit, she'll probably be considered a "clone," but you gotta admit, she's got Brawl potential. She's got speed, strength, and even an attitude (remember the scenes in Echoes where she laughed? That was good). And also, if she does make it into Brawl, the battle music should be the same music you hear in MP2: Echoes when you face her for the first time.


Concerning some of my other characters, I have a couple of reasons on why they should be in Brawl. First off:


I would like a couple more F-Zero characters in Brawl, mainly to take some pressure off of Captain Falcon. He's been the sole representative of the F-Zero series for Smash Bros., and I feel like that's a burden for him. If at least 1 more character shows up, that'll take some weight off Falcon's shoulders, and I'll be fine with that. Any of Falcon's racing rivals would be fine (though I'm a bit 'no-no' on Black Shadow).


Fox, Falco, Krystal, and Wolf. These 4 guys are your Star Fox representatives in any All-Star game. Fox, Falco, and Wolf are rivals among themselves, and thus, would be good choices for Brawl. And Krystal? Well, in some ways, she's Fox's conterpart. But that doesn't mean she'll be a clone of Fox. I wouldn't mind what kind of attacks they have her use, be it magic staff or like Fox (though if she's given Fox's old moveset, I do see her using a Gatling Gun as her B button attack). Plus, I agree with everyone on this matter: she's a female character, and the Smash Bros. series does need a few more female characters.


And again, should someone tell me why everyone hates Daisy? I don't hate her. Shockingly, I have an "interest" in Daisy, and to Peach (particularly in her Melee look).


BTW, D. King. Before, you mentioned that Heihachi didn't have a "'colorful' Nintendo quality"? No offense, but neither does Snake, actually. Not to cause trouble, but that's kinda true.


Oh, one more thing. I've got a Smash Bros. fact for you guys. Though I'm pretty sure you already know this, I've got to say it anyway. Did you know that Peach and Bowser were intended to be in the original Smash Bros.? But sadly, due to time constraits, they were cut. I had seen that mentioned on Wikpedia, but it has since vanished. But I know I remember seeing that.

[AxemRed]

Let's not back down from a character just because he/she has only appeared in one game of the series. The version of link in smash bros has only appeared in OOT, to my knowledge. In pretty much every other zelda game, link is actually young link, not a teenager (correct me if I'm wrong). I can think of a few Kirby games Meta-Knight wasn't in (Kirby's Dream Course, Kirby 64). Some smash bros characters are/were obscure because they only had one or two games, like Pit or FoxCloud. Yes, Fox. When he originally appeared in smash 64, how many games had he starred in? Star Fox and Star Fox 64 are the only two I can think of. In fact, the success of star fox 64 could have been a factor in putting fox in (although I don't know the difference in time between the realeases of star fox 64 and smash 64). Ok, maybe saying Fox was obsure is going a little far, but at the time he definitely wasn't as instantly recognizable as other Nintendo characters.

Nabooru may seem like a minor choice, but she was a sage, and was nodded to along with all the other sages in the Master Sword room in Wind Waker. Besides, Shiek has only been in one Zelda game, but he (she?) made the cut. And series like Fire Emblem have so many different characters...How do you pick Marth and Roy, who were pretty much unknown in the US at the time? How many of the Fire Emblem games did they even appear in? Just one, right? Or am I wrong about that? To me, any sage from OOT would be a good choice.

[Sensai]

I actually wasn't thinking that Nabooru would fight similar to Ganondorf. She should fight like the Gerudo women do: with 2 swords. In fact, I thought of a good Down+B move for her. It would be a counter similar to Marth and Roy, but when executed, she'll stand sideways and swipe in both directions. In essence, she'll be able to hit 2 people with 1 move. Nice, huh?

Jeah. I main Ganon, thus, I was thinking for Ganon players, heh. I had forgotten about how they fight, actually, as it's been forever and a few days since I've played OoT.

Axem Red, I love your name. Also, Fox's popularity was not small before 64 came out. Yes, he was only in one game, but that game was on the most popular system of all time (that may be a stretch, but not a big one) and was a pioneer in graphics.

And MetaKnight first appeared in Kirby SuperStar as a boss for one of the games. Great GREAT game. He's been in only a few of them.

[AxemRed]

Jeah. I main Ganon, thus, I was thinking for Ganon players, heh. I had forgotten about how they fight, actually, as it's been forever and a few days since I've played OoT.

Axem Red, I love your name. Also, Fox's popularity was not small before 64 came out. Yes, he was only in one game, but that game was on the most popular system of all time (that may be a stretch, but not a big one) and was a pioneer in graphics.

And MetaKnight first appeared in Kirby SuperStar as a boss for one of the games. Great GREAT game. He's been in only a few of them.

Ha, I'm glad someone appreciates the Axem Rangers as much as I do.

"Yo, Red!"
"What?"
"...I broke my shades!"
"Serves ya right!"

But back on topic...yeah, I forgot completely about Kirby SuperStar, I have to play that again. And I wasn't really trying to say that Fox was unpopular. I just wanted to prove that popularity or even chances of making the cut really has nothing to do with how many games someone has appeared in. But you're right, graphically speaking the original star fox was amazing when it came out.

[Numa Dude]

In my opinion the people that should be cut from brawl are DR.mario,pichu,ice climbers,G&W and either marth or roy. Everyone else should stay.

[FoxsLegacy]

Ok, I hate sonic but I have to admit, I could definately see him in Brawl. You know how in Melee Jigglypuff gets that spining move that charges and launches across the screen? I think it's B... I bet sonic would have that. I think they should most definately keep Luigi in the game but MAKE HIM MORE LIKE THE ORIGINAL SMASH BROTHERS!!!! They ruined him in Melee with the new move sets, although, I do like the Green Missle (->+B)

[SwayneGang]

Ok, I hate sonic but I have to admit, I could definately see him in Brawl. You know how in Melee Jigglypuff gets that spining move that charges and launches across the screen? I think it's B... I bet sonic would have that. I think they should most definately keep Luigi in the game but MAKE HIM MORE LIKE THE ORIGINAL SMASH BROTHERS!!!! They ruined him in Melee with the new move sets, although, I do like the Green Missle (->+B)

It is the B button, the attack name is "Rollout," and it is exactly like Sonic's "Spin Dash." If Sonic makes in into Brawl, he'll definitely use it.

I'm certain Luigi will return for Brawl, because as I mentioned, the original Smash Bros. lineup should automatically be in, no exceptions.

I agree with you about Luigi's movesets for Melee; he uses the Green Missile way too much (though it is a good move for him). But I can't say that they "ruined" him, so much as "downgraded" him. Again, he relies on the Green Missile too much to return to a platform, and his Up+B move only shot him straight up instead of up and forward. I mean overall, he's still good. But whenever he tries to recover, that's where it gets disappointing.

[Sensai]

In my opinion the people that should be cut from brawl are DR.mario,pichu,ice climbers,G&W and either marth or roy. Everyone else should stay.

That's probably a fairly accurate list of who's going to the get the axe. Roy, not Marth, BTW. And IC's might stay.

And AxemRed(<3), did you hear that Kirby SuperStar was coming to the VC? Jeah, I'm excited actually. Dunno when yet, but it'll be there.

[Konuk]

why does everyone hate maarth i think he'll make the cut he was firdt anyways unless they change roys move list then he'll be his own person....

[AxemRed]

I don't dislike Marth, but I'd rather have a Fire Emblem character that's in a FE game that came to the US. Until Nintendo starts releasing the older Fire Emblem games in the US (which I hope they do on the virtual console), I'd rather have Ike than Marth, and then replace Roy with a character that doesn't use a sword, like Boyd, Hector, or Greil. I want to be able to play the game the character comes from, and right now I can't really do that easily for Marth and Roy.

Speaking of the VC...Sensai, that's great news. Now the only game I'm looking forward to more is Toejam and Earl. Rocket Shoes FTW! I think it comes out on Christmas Day :chuckle:

[Devastlian]

Actually...Meta Knight first appeared in Kirby's Adventure (http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/games/adventure/boss/ sixth one down). The Melee trophy was wrong ; ;.

I knew about that Peach and Bowser thing but weren't Lucas, Sigurd, and Pit supposed to be in the original, too? Lucas' game got canceled so they went to the previous game's hero (Ness) and Pit was replaced with Jigglypuff (which is why she can fly). At least, that's what I heard...somewhere...

[Tanea]

I think that they are all great ideas come on realize that not tht many people like yoshi but he was ther from the beginning.for other characters what about banjo Ca-zooie, juan From jet force Gemie or what about evee and they can use all of his evolutions to his advantage like costumes or powers.Also the captin from Pikmin but they are just ideas -sorry about the miss spellings

[Sensai]

Devas: I have just about every Kirby game to date and that completely surprised me. I don't remember that at all, haha.

I was just going on memory of when I first saw him, not memory of the Smash trophy.