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[Darkwing SykeDuk]

More skilled at what? Using a keyboard and mouse? Maybe because console gamers use... CONTROLLERS :O !!!! I had this adapter, lets u use keyboard and mouse on your xbox, let this guy from school (alex) use it who's one of the best cs 1.6 players in Aus, beat him 25-2. That was after letting him play it for about 2 hours. It's funny cause I could beat him at every fps on pc except cs cause he knew the mechanics of each guns spray etc. Although I did beat him at xbox cs as well, but that "was version 1.5 apparently and shouldn't be counted" according to alex. I would play u on halo pc, except I sold my windows 360 controller.

How are they generally more skilled anyway? How does using a mouse to aim compare to duel analog sticks? Do pc gamers have to press up to 10 buttons a second on there keyboard when playing like smashers do? Maybe in rts's, but thats only the xtreme pro's and not what the majority of smashers do. But then matt told me that the warcraft 3 pro's do up to 250 actions per minute, which is still only 4-5 actions per second. The competitive scene for halo and smash combined is almost as big as the entire competitive pc scene. I do laugh when people say that nobody plays halo, then I sign in at 12pm on a Saturday and read "Population: 613, 970".

So please, don't say things like pc gamers are "generally" more skilled because I've done this argument too many times.

[maxwalton]

Ok then **** u <3 ur games.
but yer god**** ive been playing cs1.6 all weekend and it is SOOOOO WEIRD.
considering ive been playing halo 4 lyk 5 years.

[ACCELERATE]

Zac pc gamers are generally more skilled and marth got nerfed.



Gonna squirt some?

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

According to Cao marth is one of the best chars in the game.

[Sirias]

Marth doesn't looked nerfed if you compare to how most other characters got nerfed as well.

And PC Gamers are, as Zac said, more skilled at keyboard and mouse, not games as a whole.

You could argue that they're better at FPS but you'd have to research it yourself in order to make a good argument. =/
Hassle, much?

Fox looks like crap.
Don't wanna play it anymore.
Hopefully Wolf will take his place. <33

[CAOTIC]

Wolf kills with dash attack! and he howls.....

OMFG <3!!! WUB SPASM

Marth nerfed? All they did was give him more kill moves T~T

</3 bair and dolphin slash

[Sloth]

The only real argument you could say is that 'Overall there are more highly skilled PC gamers, because there is more PC games being played at a high-competitive levels'

By higher competitive level you look more at events like WCG, or some of the tournaments you see for Starcraft in South Korea. Not pugs or random nubs thinking they are teh kings.
In the end that shows nothing in analogy of skill as its down to the game ;)

A cooler argument would be 'Which is a more complex team game at a high level, CS or Halo?'

I can't wait to start playing Marthy wub wub wub <3

[ACCELERATE]

By higher competitive level you look more at events like WCG, or some of the tournaments you see for Starcraft in South Korea. Not pugs or random nubs thinking they are teh kings.


Lol did syke jump in to anyone elses mind when he said that? lols

[Sirias]

Indeed, I thought so too. :D

Wtf is with his bair? I saw a video of it at Ben's and it killed at like 90%. So real.
Too floaty. Gah. So gay!

And Fox doesn't look that bad.
Well, he does.
But he's still Fox.
Foxxie.
Sexy.
Same thing.

[Scrubs]

I can't find you MP3 Kas.

I will continue to look though.

[Triss]

brawl is gunna be awsome. "hugs" and " gimpyfish" said that the game will be just as fast or near its peak. they also said with a little bit of practise with the brawl characters they were able to almost start moving just as fast as they did in melee.
so don't expect brawl to be a slow game.

[Sirias]

Everyone's saying that it looks slow and everything, wtf, I thought it was until I saw it.

And thanks, Ben. =]
Stupid grey jeans... pockets are so loose! =/

And I see no wave-dashing. That makes me sad. :'C
And sort of no over-using dash-dancing? Pff.

[Redact]

theres fox trot now, theres your funky movement style again :O

[Get that Rat]

I wouldn't say there are more console gamers than PC gamers. But I wouldn't say otherwise as well.
And considering how 1.6 has possibly one of the crudest game mechanics LOL; if you take UT, Quake and other hardcore fastpace action/fps games into account, Halo can barely compare.

But that aside.

Controlling **** via nooblord controller (my opinion) and keyboard-mouse combo shouldn't be a factor, it's just based on preference, which in the end, helps you excel in that method of control. Also because that should be mastered first over anything. For example, Zac's piss-**** on keyboard mouse, but goes through 7 controllers an hour because he goes lightspeed and rages on them.

Furthermore, I'd base the game more on prediction, hearing and game mechanics rather than control skill.

Btw "Population: 613, 970" barely compares to "Population: 9832754975093HADOOOOOKEN23084032948" of CS1.6 and Source.

P.S. Alex should stop sucking at other games.

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

lol obviously its harder to control duel analog sticks, therefore more skill is required. Know one plays UT and Quake anymore.

p.s I'll pwn you in any pc fps <3

[Sloth]

Poor confused Syke. There are halo players who can't aim with keyboard or mouse. People do still play Quake a lot, there are still many online tournaments held for Quake 3.. not so much ut tho, I am not sure where ut3's direction went. I haven't kept up with the scene.

You do realize that saying the controller input as a method of skill is such a naive and childish thing to argue with. Its just like any game, people adapt quickly to the controls then if it really has depth it comes down to Prediction and Timing.

Anyways, I'll rip you apart in PC fps Syke. Eazy mode.

[NG7]

Anyone that doesn't control games with their mind is a nub.

GG.

[Sirias]

Agreed.
Why don't you just suck each other off and stfu about this now, kthx. =]

Bryce, how's the place going? Do you want to stay there or are you gonna move out? D:
And that DDR machine sucks. Too easy and the pads are fked. Just like the old machine in Strathpine.
And do you have a source of income now? Ben tells me he thought you got Centrelink.

... I wanna play FPSs, 'cuz I suck at them. :D

[madman0017]

Okay, now that I've actually pulled myself away from Brawl, I'm gonna try and organise the "Brawl Day" I guess.

Hmmm... Seems that 2 weeks from today is my only free slot to use my house with no one around to bug us...

Well what day would be good for everyone. Tuesday 19th and Wednesday 20th are my good days and days that everyone can just come in and play.

But yeah, unless something else is going on, and I guess if we can get another modded Wii, I can set up 2 areas of play. One on the Widescreen inside (Where my Wii is setup) and one on the 68cm outside.

Otherwise... someone elses house?

Everyone tell me their Ideas for stuff I guess and we'll see how we go.

[Sloth]

I'll suck off Zac any day, that goes without saying ;)
Neg on centrelink, I am trying to get my parents to declare me independent as the information I needed to get youth allowance for some reason never arrived to me and work doesn't have any extra copies. QQ.

I am moving out at end of March I reckon, I actually know someone who works full time who's lease expiries then and wants to get a house near the city.

For now I'm stuck with teh lame browns plains DDR pad, but at least its some form of exercise.

[King Kong]

Okay, now that I've actually pulled myself away from Brawl, I'm gonna try and organise the "Brawl Day" I guess.

Hmmm... Seems that 2 weeks from today is my only free slot to use my house with no one around to bug us...

Well what day would be good for everyone. Tuesday 19th and Wednesday 20th are my good days and days that everyone can just come in and play.

But yeah, unless something else is going on, and I guess if we can get another modded Wii, I can set up 2 areas of play. One on the Widescreen inside (Where my Wii is setup) and one on the 68cm outside.

Otherwise... someone elses house?

Everyone tell me their Ideas for stuff I guess and we'll see how we go.

Tuesday and Wednesday are always good for me. I personally cant wait to have a go a brawl. Thanks for offering to have us over.

By the way everyone, i have a new number. Call me for casual smash/hanging out doing whatever.

04 38 028 096

peace out

[CAOTIC]

Word is DK is too good... ruh-roh!!

[Dedu]

Low tiers and newbs are godly in Brawl this time.

Some high tiers got buffed more than they needed too... >.<'

[King_Mos]

Brawl day, count Me in :D now who is madman0017 :D

[Scrubs]

Woah Mos!!!

I remember that sig it was so cool!

[King_Mos]

yeah its been awhile, seeing as they are "fixing" brawl I might start playing smash again :P when is the next meet???

[Get that Rat]

Zac, I'd rip your **** into 4 and feed them to the birds easy~ *chu!* <3
Just that when I win, you'll find an excuse and QQ on it and demand rematches till you win. *sadface*

In conclusion, I motion that Zac stops trying to talk up console gaming vs computer gaming because they are unique in their own way.

K over it... Unless you bring it up again... Then I'll take the wrench out and break all your joints. NUF SED

BRB gunna go hump leg. Sooooo sos oso sosooo secksehhhhhhhh *steams*

[ACCELERATE]

Hey Madman you ordered JP Brawl and have a wii key right? How does all that work? Could you give me the info im thinking about doing the same. Either PM me, Say it here or add me on msn kangaroos08@hotmail.com Thanks man.


Also where exactly do you live?

[Sirias]

Yoshi (Madman) lives in Brisbane. Far away from most, I think. Or was it that he lived close to Mitch...
Brawl Day, I thought Zac was doing something?

I find it unfair to have you having the last say in an argument, Andy, or really for anyone.
How about you just STFU about it, and stop saying anything until you can prove otherwise, or prove what you say is true.
If you want to verse Zac, have a match? What's to say that if you lose you won't QQ and keep on going until you win?
Kthx, Zac you're gay, Andy you're gay, Bryce... you're gay too, but in a good way. <3
If you're gonna keep up this fail of an argument, at LEAST have the decency to suck my cawk before doing so, ok thanks. =/

Is anyone in the Gold Coast gonna even play Brawl, other than Ryan?

[Get that Rat]

Zac! We must rape Kas with knives and shoelaces.

Bryce can be the whipper ;)

Scatmaid + Incest FTWZORRR

[maxwalton]

::scatmaid::
ZOMG fotoshop tyme.

[Shady_james]

Busy atm but in future i'd love to leech offa you people who most likely have jobs. i've gotta remember to check these forums. It just takes one "i'll check it this afternoon" and BAM! no more thread notifications, and no more smashboards for a fortnight.
i suck

[Vyse]

I've got some bad news about K-0S.

He took a tumble down a flight of stairs at his girlfriend's house and now he's partially amnesiac. The weird thing though, is that all the memories that he's lost, are related to smash and the cube entirely!

It's strange.

And scary.

Today I met up with him, and tried to get him to either tell me he's joking, or to try and snap him out of it. Well, he's not joking, but he's making some progress.

I'm going to make a post about it in the general discussion, so you can read about it there too.

It's realy hard to believe.

[Get that Rat]

Does he remember us? :(

[undead_moose]

I've got some bad news about K-0S.

He took a tumble down a flight of stairs at his girlfriend's house and now he's partially amnesiac. The weird thing though, is that all the memories that he's lost, are related to smash and the cube entirely!

It's strange.

And scary.

Today I met up with him, and tried to get him to either tell me he's joking, or to try and snap him out of it. Well, he's not joking, but he's making some progress.

I'm going to make a post about it in the general discussion, so you can read about it there too.

It's realy hard to believe. hes faking just so he can go HAHAHA i got you guys leave him and his ***** of a gf he wanted to spend so much time with.

p.s i want to play brawl as soon as possible and be ike/lucas master

[Vyse]

hes faking just so he can go HAHAHA i got you guys leave him and his ***** of a gf he wanted to spend so much time with.

p.s i want to play brawl as soon as possible and be ike/lucas master

I was with him yesterday, he's defnitely not faking it, it would be too well pre-meditated for him to be faking it.

He does remember Tech team, but he can't remember any of the pro smashers from around the world. Although this is a fact that seems contradictory.

I said I was going to post it in the general discussion, but I've decided against it purely out of respect. I'll post everything that's happened in this thread instead.

This is what I was going to post.


Hello, I’m Vyse. My real name is Anthony Smith and I live on the Gold Coast in Australia.

Let me ask you something. How would you feel if you, a dedicated smasher, had an equally dedicated friend that suddenly lost all memories of and relating to the Gamecube and Smash?

I was pretty distressed.

This is exactly what happened to a close friend of mine, K-0S (Pronounced chaos), who roughly one week from the posting of this thread had taken a tumble down a flight of stairs and in the process forgot all the memories he had of us playing smash, going to tournaments, and all the good times over the last 6 years.

I can’t say that he had forgotten them entirely. In actuality, it was like he had reverted to a state 6 years ago, as though he had only been playing smash for two months.

Believe me, the whole situation frustrates me to no end, that some of the people around me don’t want to take the situation seriously, and that his parents haven’t even taken him to some kind of specialist to get his head checked out.

So after a lot of deliberation, I’ve decided that I want to log all that I can for the world’s smasher’s to read for themselves. This isn’t some bull****, this is real.

For some reason, all of his memories but the ones I’ve mentioned before have been blocked from his mind.

(To protect the identities of my friends though, I’m not using their real names)

---

Saturday, 3rd February: Sieg’s House

It was probably one in the morning when we were first sent word of K-0S’s tumble. By ‘we’ I mean a number of my smash crewmates, Sieg, Nightjar, undead moose and myself, all at the same time. We were all playing Pokemon Battle Revolution, owning n00bs online when it began.

K-0S’s girlfriend known online as ‘undeserving’ sent a message to all of us:

”How long has the cube and smash bros. Melee been out?it’s undeserving texting from K-0S’s phone.he’s a bit disoriented so I’m trying to fix it.thanks.”

Fix what? One had to wonder, so I texted back the details of when they both came out in Australia to the best of my knowledge, and then asked what it was she was trying to fix.

“He thinks it’s two months ago,hit himself in the head.can’t remember lansmash.it’s frustrating.” She texted back, lansmash referring to a giant lan tournament we went to which included smash on its roster of tournaments.

Now some of my friends aren’t a fan of undeserving, which is why they aren’t taking any part of the situation seriously, I on the other hand am typing this, so you can see where I stand.

---

Last year I graduated from high school, but as luck would have it I’m now working full-time for my school as apart of its System administration team for a year before I go to university.

undeserving is also a student at this high school, and so throughout the week I’ve talked to her about the accident and what had happened. Basically, he tripped, and tumbled down the stairs in his girlfriend’s house, losing these specific memories in the process. She told me that other than that, he seemed perfectly fine, but losing 6 years worth of specific memories didn’t really feel fine to me. With the weekend being my only option, I told undeserving that I’d probably be swinging by her place on the weekend to K-0S.

Nightjar is one of my unique friends, in that during situations like these he manages to retain the head on his shoulders. Using MSN, we discussed the situation online, coming to two conclusions:

A) It’s a really un-funny joke
B) It could be a very serious head injury

And if wasn’t a joke as I’d planned to assess myself, there could be any chance that it could be some form of internal bleeding or haemorrhaging. But there has to be some way of bringing his memory back, my plan was to see him, and try to point out the contradictions in his memory.

---

Saturday 9th February: My house

The night before, my friend and fellow smasher, Rune happened to come onto MSN, and he agreed to come along with me to our local shopping centre to catch K-0S before he left work this day. However, he was unaware of K-0S’s condition.

Rune arrived at my place at about 10 o’clock, we played a little Pokemon Battle Revolution again, and then we caught the bus to our local mall. K-0S works in a retail store called ‘K-Mart’ and as we walked into the store, I explained the situation to Rune, who in light of it still seemed pretty calm about it, he’s the type of guy who is always level headed and reserved.

There K-0S was, working behind the photo counter. We walked up and said hello, also asking when he’d be coming off work so we could have lunch together. He said he’d be coming off work at 12.30 pm, about an hour and a quarter away.

So we left, browsing the store’s game section, then browsing our Mall’s game store, DVD store, book store, Asian food store, game store again…

When it got close to 12.30, we walked back into the store and met up with K-0S again, and we left together to buy some subway, the majority not having ‘eaten fresh’ in a while.

As we sat and ate our footlong subs, that’s when we began talking about smash. I wasn’t particularly trying to point out contradictions at that point, I was just telling him about some of the new characters in Brawl as he hadn’t been keeping up with it, he couldn’t believe Lucario was going to be a character.

I started with something along the lines of, “The game is really going to change it up, there’s no more L-cancelling or Wavedashing.”

To this, K-0S was confused, “What’s a wavedash?” he ask, a 2 year verteran of expert Doc play, wavedashing being a staple of his play style. I looked to Rune, and silently, the confrontation began.

I ignored his question, and put it to him bluntly,”I just don’t get how you could forget,”

To which he just defensively said, “I dunno man, all I know is that the cube came out two months ago”.

At that point I began asking him about lansmash, about our rival crew ‘Tech team’ who are based in Brisbane, about the game cube in general, and all the while, trying to point out contradictions in his memory.

”So when did the Wii come out?” I asked K-0S”,

”December…last year” he replied, and when I pointed out the fact that the Wii is the successor to the cube, a blaring contradiction in his memory was pointed out.

Then Rune joined in, “Don’t you remember how much we played PSO?”

Phantasy Star Online has been a crew favourite of recent years, we used to always spend weekends together, playing that game for ages. We started playing it at least three or four years ago.

You could see it, he thought hard, and he did remember. He remembered the sheer amount of time he had spent playing it, and time printing out sheets of weapon and item drop rates whilst at school.

He even remembered the amount of time we had spent playing Mario Party as well, the good times spent playing that late at night.

At that point we decided to leave for his girlfriend’s place, a half-hour walk from the mall.

At that point we had established that the cube had indeed been out far longer than his memory told him, he told us as he left that he distinctly remembers going out for lunch with his sister and his father, neither of whom he lives with, and then buying a game cube. In actuality, as we tried to point out to him as we walked to his girlfriend’s house, was that the cube has been out for roughly 6 years now, a fact that seems plausible to him now with the revived memories of playing the cube years, but that this mental block of his won’t allow otherwise.

As we walked out, he started to speak out, saying what bits and pieces he would remember,

“Wavedashing is where you slide along the ground”
“Tipping…is done with Marth, with the tip of his sword”

But he still didn’t remember L-cancelling. At that point I started asking him about friends we had online, namely Sliph and Felix from www.gaiaonline.com, and all the times we had spent in our online gaia guild for our crew named ‘The Ward’. He remembered Sliph and Felix, and our guild, but not what it was about, that being a guild for our smash crew.

We made it to his girlfriend’s house, her mother less than pleased with the two tag along’s K-0S had bought with him, but for me, I could care less at that point, I was more concerned for K-0S than imposing myself on his girlfriend’s mother.

When we walked in I saw it, the stairs. A nasty wooden set that looked pretty **** steep to me. They went up one way, then turned to come back the other way as it lead onto the second floor and into undeserving’s room.

There was one thing left to do. To actually play smash. I hoped that playing smash would indeed trigger something in K-0S’s head. K-0S, after getting a Wii, gave his cube to undeserving, so we pulled it out, smash still inside it, and began to play.

The fact that the save undeserving had was incomplete didn’t help. Somehow she had Mewtwo and not Game & Watch. Also she had only half the stages unlocked.

K-0S chose Shiek, the character he swore by before we started playing with advanced techniques and knew what a wavedash was. I chose Falco, the main I’ve played the longest and best.

After setting it to a four stock match, he went straight for Hyrule castle. To which I was like ‘WTF man, banned’. Of course, amnesiac as he is, he had no idea of banned stages, and was also like WTF.

We restarted and I chose Pokemon stadium instead. The match began and from the get go, I didn’t pull any punches, I went in with all manor of Falco’s flashy combos, short-hop lasers to Shine, JC, Dair, fast fall, up-tilt, Dair etc.

After the first stock, K-0S was in complete disarray, “Ease up man!”

”What? This is how I’ve always played,” he on the other hand, was playing like he did about five years ago.
“I didn’t even know you could play Falco like that,” we continued on.

So I replied, “I’ve always played like this, and you always kept up with me, you always managed to beat me with Doc,” he was confused about this too, swearing he had never played Doc, despite having mained him all these years.

We played more and more matches, Rune also playing some matches with him too. We began to remind him about the tournaments we had at school, which we usually had on the last days of school, which he also began to remember.

Finally, an idea came to me. “K-0S, use Doc,” he skeptically agreed, not knowing what to expect as he didn’t believe himself to be a Doc main at all, and I chose Doc as well.

We ended up playing on Mute City, and as per normal, I was playing with all the Doc tech I knew, whilst K-0S struggled with his inability to play like he could only a week ago.

Then suddenly something in his brain must have snapped. “Hey wait, wait,” he said. Suddenly, he began short hopping, dash dancing, and Wavedashing all over the place, he was doing it like a mad man. Suddenly all of his Doc tech returned to him, and even though he still didn’t remember ever being that good with Doc, he was able to play him with a (Australian) high standard of skill, coming back to beat me.

It was amazing to see, we had broken some kind of barrier in his mind, and it something had come back to him. I can’t imagine how it must’ve been for him, suddenly having this ability to play a character, and using techniques that for the life of him, he couldn’t really remember well.

I kept saying to him after that, “You’ll remember, something will happen, and then it’ll just click, and you’ll remember everything”, and I believe it too. Something’s gotta give sooner or later, and I hope its sooner.

After that, you could see it on his face. He was really struggling within himself and his thoughts, he just stared downwards, trying his hardest, but it still won’t come to him.

At that point we had overstayed our welcome, and we decided to leave, but with every intention of seeing him again as soon as possible.

It was then as Rune and I began walking back to my place I decided I would post this on smashboards.com

It was also when I decided that he DEFINITELY wasn’t faking it. When we talked about Game & Watch, he kept referring to him as Wazoo, which is what Nintendo gamer magazine called him 6 years ago. That was definitely the clincher for me.

I don’t know what good can come to this, but I just feel that this is too important to keep to myself. Sorry K-0S.

[Scrubs]

Wow that K-OS thing sucks.

Just a thought....

Maybe he should see a DOCTOR????


Maybe we should have a good old fashioned tourney. It may help everything click into place.

[Shady_james]

Maybe we should have a good old fashioned tourney. It may help everything click into place.

Shotgun!

I always wanted to do psychology as a hobby, so it'd be interesting to meet somebody who's lost his memory too. I wouldn't be much help, seeing as i don't really know him, but a tourneys a tourney, whether the reason for starting is medical or not :D
I hope that i don't need to bring a controller? i could always rent one out for the day...

[Sieg]

Maybe we should hit him in the head again.

With a mallet.

Or a Rock.

That will definatly jog his memory.

[Vyse]

If sieg will do it, I'll provide the sledge hammer

My dad is a panel beater you know.