ic.........should be a higher teir.

[LuCKy]

im pretty sure that ic is like mid tier or somewhere around there.i say they should be like next 2 captin falcon or higher,the damage they can rack up is unbelievable.sure dk can rack damage fast 2 but the ic's can move fast and even faster when wave dashing.plus they slide so when they wave dash they go even further,and they can smash while wave dashing.all im trying 2 say is these characters deserve mor respect,also they can desynch wich no other character can do.they deserve respect!

[Blackshadow]

Are you perhaps a bit behind the times? IC ARE next to CF. And whats all this about DK? He's way lower than IC.

Yes, IC should go up the tier list, but there have been a billion topics about that already, so you shouldnt have made another thread.

[LuCKy]

ya well i didnt feel llike looking for a tier list,and i didnt want anybody saying that the only reason i was saying they should go up the list is because they can do incredible damege in very few hits witch i have seen donky kong do,even though he is a lower tier.

........a billion topics??? i really need 2 stay updated:)

[LuCKy]

anyways i was trying to get smashers opinions on the ic's going up or down the tier list,not get some smash journeyman to put me down.......

[_Phloat_]

Well, they are good, but they are bad, like they are amazing, but if a great CF or Shiek or Fox gets a hold of nana, there goes half of their strenght

[CloroxBleach]

lol if u want them up in tier start winning big tourneys with em enough said
example: chu dat (raised ic from low tier pretty much single handedly)

[paulmitchel haircare]

*Reads this thread, puts the mouth of the gun to my head*

[N1c2k3]

IC's are exactly where they should be IMO. I think it's 100% accurate. Unnecessary thread...

[Z-N_Freak]

Well, they are good, but they are bad, like they are amazing, but if a great CF or Shiek or Fox gets a hold of nana, there goes half of their strenght

Sheik gets countered by the IC's :chuckle:
Teh über chaingrab on her :)

[paulmitchel haircare]

Sheik gets countered by the IC's :chuckle:
Teh über chaingrab on her :)

Actually, CF is the easiest to chain grab and easier to actually grab.

In reality no charecter counters any charecter. Its all skilled based.

And I agrree with nik1

[N1c2k3]

Thanks, but there are counters. Certain char's just do better againost others because of certain moves/characteristics. IC's counter Sheik because she's all close, physical attacks and any blocked move pretty much equals a grab, and since grabs are what the IC's are about, and since she's so easy to cg, the match up usually tends to go in their favor. Falcon counters IC's pretty heavily IMO because of his speed and hard hitting, early killing comobs. He can space them with his aerials and move so incredibly fast so as not to get grabbed, and once he gets a dair or grab off himself, it can easily lead to a 20-30% combo, ending in a knee, and given their light weight and limited solo recovery, usually a stock off. This is just a small example to show you that there are in fact counters...

[paulmitchel haircare]

Hrm.... Good points. I guess we just have diffrent opinions and views on it. And our game play must be diffrent for you to make me see your points.

[1048576]

IC's should be at the top of God Tier. They have a move that comes out in seven frames that kills any character on any stage. The only condition is that Nana has to be alive. Oh, and the move also out prioritizes every attack.

[AzN_Lep]

doesn't fox have something like that... ummm comes out in like 1 or 2 frames, can kill any character on any stage at any percent, the only condition is that you choose fox at the character selection screen. Oh and it outprioritizes EVERY attack... what was that attack called again?

Just to be safe, you're talking about d-smash right? Because killing any character on any stage applies to almost every smash attack of every character. Also, D-smash doesn't outprioritize every attack.

ICs are good when handled correctly but not top of GOD tier good. On top of that, the tier list is made from character placings in tourneys. Outside of Chu how many ICs have won a major tourney, or for that matter, how many IC have placed top 5 in a major tourney? Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, and Peach all consistantly place well under the hands of various players. That's why those are top tier characters. I'm not saying that ICs can't move up, but at this moment they're where they're supposed to be on the tier

EDIT: Oh you were talking about the infinite grab. In that case it doesnt kill on any stage (Mute City, Rainbow Cruise, Brinstar, Pokefloats, etc: moving stages that are available for counter picks in MLG) nor does it outprioritize every attack. (try to grab threw Peach's d-smash) Well Chu used it at MLG Vegas and ended up going 2 and out, losing to Isai and Azen. I'm pretty sure they're close to his skill level. On the other hand the Wobbles certainly makes IC better though, it'll probably get banned as people begin to over exploit it. But still, it doesn't guarantee a win, even with relative levels of play.

[N1c2k3]

Agreed. No better way to say it...

Paul Mitchell: Do you have any matches up of you?

[paulmitchel haircare]

Agreed. No better way to say it...

Paul Mitchell: Do you have any matches up of you?

Ones I do have I don't post because there friendlies with my crew and I ussally fduuck around like go out for kills off the stage or play single ice climber. And I don't play ice climbers that.much 'cause my crew hates it even tho I don't cg. And the tourny matches are hand recorded so its crappy looking. But go to youtube and type romeo619 and ask him to put em up if your that intrested.

What about you?

Side note- congrades to aznLep yesterday.

[Xeorogue]

im pretty sure that ic is like mid tier or somewhere around there.i say they should be like next 2 captin falcon or higher,the damage they can rack up is unbelievable.sure dk can rack damage fast 2 but the ic's can move fast and even faster when wave dashing.plus they slide so when they wave dash they go even further,and they can smash while wave dashing.all im trying 2 say is these characters deserve mor respect,also they can desynch wich no other character can do.they deserve respect!


"ic.........should be a higher teir. (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=1958972#post1958972)"

IC Players..................should win more tournies since the teir list is based off of tourny results. Want to change the list? Win.

[ReadySetGo]

If you think the tier list is incorrect who cares. Is some supid list going to prevent you from playing who you like because some group of people say tha character is low tier, or lower than they should be? I would hope not.


Just saw this in the thread, wanted to add something:
Actually, CF is the easiest to chain grab and easier to actually grab.

In reality no charecter counters any charecter. Its all skilled based.

And I agrree with nik1

Have you ever played your ICs against a Samus that can do advance techniques like double or triple missle cancel? I have, it makes you believe in counter picking. (This is suggesting that you play with people at your same skill level, if they are at a lower skill level, then yeah counter picking plays a much smaller role since they aren't as good as you.)

[Icey]

i think the ice climbers should possibly be one or so spaces higher but it probably has to do with the fact that more people use the other characters.

[paulmitchel haircare]

Have you ever played your ICs against a Samus that can do advance techniques like double or triple missle cancel? I have, it makes you believe in counter picking.

Yes sir I have and a really good one is in my crew.

I see where your coming from and I respect your voice but I really don't think there are.
Um... ie wes vs chu (on fd), wife vs chu. Then there's the low tiers vs high chu's pichu vs namehere or taj's mewtwo vs name here.

Its skills, mindgames, and knowledge. In my opinion and you can take it, value it, or ignore and disregard it.

All and all this is off topic, this thread is useless and um... I suck.

[1048576]

doesn't fox have something like that... ummm comes out in like 1 or 2 frames, can kill any character on any stage at any percent, the only condition is that you choose fox at the character selection screen. Oh and it outprioritizes EVERY attack... what was that attack called again?

Just to be safe, you're talking about d-smash right? Because killing any character on any stage applies to almost every smash attack of every character. Also, D-smash doesn't outprioritize every attack.

ICs are good when handled correctly but not top of GOD tier good. On top of that, the tier list is made from character placings in tourneys. Outside of Chu how many ICs have won a major tourney, or for that matter, how many IC have placed top 5 in a major tourney? Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, and Peach all consistantly place well under the hands of various players. That's why those are top tier characters. I'm not saying that ICs can't move up, but at this moment they're where they're supposed to be on the tier

EDIT: Oh you were talking about the infinite grab. In that case it doesnt kill on any stage (Mute City, Rainbow Cruise, Brinstar, Pokefloats, etc: moving stages that are available for counter picks in MLG) nor does it outprioritize every attack. (try to grab threw Peach's d-smash) Well Chu used it at MLG Vegas and ended up going 2 and out, losing to Isai and Azen. I'm pretty sure they're close to his skill level. On the other hand the Wobbles certainly makes IC better though, it'll probably get banned as people begin to over exploit it. But still, it doesn't guarantee a win, even with relative levels of play.

The thing is, the shine doesn't always kill. It has to be placed when a character is already off the stage and has used most of his/her jumps. The grab always kills except for those rare conditions where the stage breaks you up, but even then you can get about 50-100% in. Also, grabs do outprioritize attacks, including Peach's Down smash. The reason Peach's Down smash connects is because it is two frames faster. IC's Grab will out prioritize the shine if the moves connect at the sme time (i.e. Fox's shine is performed 0.1 seconds after the grab) Don't get me wrong, I know Fox is just as cheap as IC's, and I do use both characters; I just think that Wobbling is much more lethal than shining.