Short hop double laser help?

[M3tr01D]

having some problems pulling this technique off, it doesn't really work the same way as it does in n64 from what I've tried and is a lot harder to pull off because fox falls so fast. any general advice on getting this to work?

[Truedge930]

It's very difficult to do with Fox, you've gotta be pressing b the moment after you hit jump. Even pro smashers normally don't try to shdl as it takes too much effort when a single shl accomplishes the same thing (harassment) so more energy goes into the actual combat.

[FastFox]

It's very difficult to do with Fox, you've gotta be pressing b the moment after you hit jump. Even pro smashers normally don't try to shdl as it takes too much effort when a single shl accomplishes the same thing (harassment) so more energy goes into the actual combat.

I disagree. SHDL's don't take up any effort at all, it's just the fact that they're more for show than anything else. I'd recommend first learning the with use of the control stick, then move onto learning with X or Y, whichever you prefer.

[emcp7]

do it with Y if possible. That way you can just slide from Y to B in one smooth motion, way easier to to then x and still allows some di on your part which is hard to on on a joystick. This method is also good for doubleshining.

[2448x]

It's very difficult to do with Fox, you've gotta be pressing b the moment after you hit jump. Even pro smashers normally don't try to shdl as it takes too much effort when a single shl accomplishes the same thing (harassment) so more energy goes into the actual combat.

Listen to him....

[Pablo18]

emcp7 pretty much summed it up. That is the best method in doing it, from there on all you need is practice.good luck

[M3tr01D]

ok, unfortunately I was already using Y, guess I'll just have to put it some solid practice.

[Chuckles]

well

You could just use the control stick to SHDL and just y for everything else.

[6th Sense]

i use the x button and do it fine....but it isnt something to worry about!! if you master short hopping w/ fox then it'll come easy

[rokimomi]

Im sure you'll recognize the hand motion from shdl from 64 smash. Its still the same button sliding motion as melee. Just a bit faster. Like, slide to b, then rapidly spam it. You should get it sometime.

[Dash_Fox]

Quick fingers metroid, quick fingers.

But DSHL isn't as important in fox's game like SSB64... so that's a good thing. :)

[Avery]

I agree with FastFox...SHDL is more show then actually being useful. Most pro foxes just go for SHL for approaches or full jumped lasers (which in most peoples opinion are most useful) for retreats,and control of the opponent. As far as techniques go to perform SHDL, start with the control stick then switch to Y or X (taking in to account your fingers are fast enough and you do it at a higher success rate than control stick). Either way avoid using this technique in battle seeing as other laser spam techniques are far superior and this one is no more then flashy.

[mario-master]

shdl comes naturally to you if you master it precisely my bro's got it dont pact but doesnt use it in matches or tourneys

especially against my fox when we play dittos but i agree its only for show and i wouldnt make it a habit on doin it cuz if your not naturally fast it takes a lot of effort and energy
but

i accomplish it with x but i do it immediatly after i hit the jump button but it takes a lot of energy so i stop doin it

[DemonicShadows]

Agreed. it's tiring, difficult to perfect, and takes a lot of time.

I wonder, is it easier with Falco? I don't know because I don't use Falco...

[emcp7]

for practical purposes its impossible with falco.

[F8AL]

It's much easier with falco because you can short hop easier with him, just gently and quickly press the 'y' button and he should hop instead of a huge jump. with fox he jumps so high so it's harder to short hop. you can short hope the same way with fox and with falco.

[rokimomi]

^ Shl is but shdl is not possible.

[Mew2King]

SHDL isnt something you can do without getting your hands faster first (mainly by practicing it a lot). People who practiced it will have a substantially easier time with it than others.

[v3x?]

I completly disagree with this whole "SHDL is only for show"

To be fair, its not even that showy. Reverse single lasers look better in my opinion anyway.

It's now become a vital part of my game against most characters. Especially the likes of peach, marth and sheik - it just racks up damage twice as fast. And puts even more pressure on them to attack.

Nuff said =[

[alcheato]

Here's how I do it:
Slide your finger from the very bottom tip of the jump button (I use Y because it's a slightly shorter distance) so that your finger slides down to the B instead of physically moving your finger off, and then continue tapping B again as fast as you can. I find it's much easier if you slide your finger down instead of taking it off.
Hope this helps.

[mario-master]

I completly disagree with this whole "SHDL is only for show"

To be fair, its not even that showy. Reverse single lasers look better in my opinion anyway.

It's now become a vital part of my game against most characters. Especially the likes of peach, marth and sheik - it just racks up damage twice as fast. And puts even more pressure on them to attack.

Nuff said =[

yea true i understand but you have to admit if you dont have naturally fast hands or a generally lazy person then it will be a bit extra energy will take that much more out of you

[virtualgamecafe]

hello how do you wave dash with fox i can't seem 2 do it 2 well any1 who can tell me it's 2 hard

[M3tr01D]

jump, aireal dodge into the ground.



On topic, why would firing one laser out of a short hop be better then firing two lasers out of a short hop? Isn't 4 damage better then 2? Or 5-6 better then 3?

The main tips looking for are how many times you have to press the B button. On n64 version you couldn't do it by spamming the button, I was mainly wondering if that was required to pull it off on this game? I know all about button slides and hand positions etc etc.

[ApolloX54]

Yeah I just do it with Y and some fast fingers, not consistent though.

Well 5-6 is better than 3 but you have to take into account the extra frames and the extra work.

It's situational really

[rokimomi]

jump, aireal dodge into the ground.



On topic, why would firing one laser out of a short hop be better then firing two lasers out of a short hop? Isn't 4 damage better then 2? Or 5-6 better then 3?

The main tips looking for are how many times you have to press the B button. On n64 version you couldn't do it by spamming the button, I was mainly wondering if that was required to pull it off on this game? I know all about button slides and hand positions etc etc.

I know what you mean. In 64, I took my sweet old time to fire the lasers. Just do the same thing, yet faster, way faster. Im thinkin even if you spam be, the only two times you have time to press it are the shots meant to be fired anyways. Im thinkin its just cuz people like moving around and when doing a shdl, you cant really do it in any faster fasion . Other than that, I think its just mobility, unless we could get frame data.

[M3tr01D]

You can do it while moving forward though, I've been practicing doing that into shffl dair reflector wavedash upsmash, it looks cool :)

[NintendoKing]

Just do it faster nub. You can do it with anything you want. WTF are limitations?

[rokimomi]

I know you can move but...well, ok...forget I said that.

[RedYoshi92]

I'd have to say that shdl might be hard to pull off.My advice would be practice and fast fingers.

[Tichinde925]

Its just for show!

Therefore, its best to use 2 hands for this :P

One thumb on B...the other on which ever jump button you prefer.....

[Mythos]

Like v3x I also advice you to learn it perfectly ... against chars like peach sheik and marth
who have huge advantages against fox, it's on the one hand a good method to get their percentages up and on the other hand a very good mindgame, because the attack rash and begin to do heavy mistakes by doging their attacks and damage them from distance.

[alcheato]

I agree, it is a good mindgame and if nothing else, it looks cool. :) I've had people tell me that it's pointless because it leaves you vulnerable for a longer period of a time or that you need ridiculously fast hands to do it. However, I still use it out of habit and my hands aren't all that fast. SHDL doesn't leave you vulnerable for much longer than SHL. As long you space yourself accordingly, the vulnerability issue shouldn't be a problem at all. If you can SHL with fox, odds are you can SHDL. If your hands aren't that fast, simply learn to slide your finger from the very bottom of the Y button to the B button and tap B again quickly. If I can teach my friend who almost never plays to do it, then it can't be that hard.

[Sudai]

SHDL leaves you in no more danger than a SHL would because if you see them moving in, you can still fast fall it, you just have to pay more attention to the enemy and not be a dumby and try to SHDL when they're right next to you.

[mario-master]

trust me thats basically where it came from someone doing it stupidly near their opponent and getting punished.

without proper spacing i wouldn't do it at all or be prepared to be punished, and dont be too predictable when using it or your opponent will time it and rush you especially against marth.

[Mythos]

I think it doesn't need a new thread for this but I've got also a question on SHDL :

So, is it possible to short hop, turn around and also fire
two lasers? Everytime I try i get only one out by turning
around ...

[Tichinde925]

yes, people can SHDL one direction, and then SH immedietly and DL the other direction

[mario-master]

I think it doesn't need a new thread for this but I've got also a question on SHDL :

So, is it possible to short hop, turn around and also fire
two lasers? Everytime I try i get only one out by turning
around ...

wow, until this i actually thought i had tried everything on the smash. i honestly have never tried to reverse shdl before but i will now, and i'll get back to you mythos

[emcp7]

it's possible, just a little hard.

[Mythos]

okay thx ... i go and try again and again ^^

[Wilhelmsan]

I'm gonna have to say the SHL is easier and more useful. I can still do the SHDL though; it's hard.