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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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the only Icys that exist where I live **** unlike other characters where I can work my way up I just jump right into hard people
+ nervousness from not being too familiar
same for Doc, the only good ones I know live in Norcal (Shroomed, HMW) and I don't know how to fight them really besides being gay, which I hate
same for Marth, when I fought Falcomist in the Falcomist vs Dashizwiz CGC it was set in stone that I was gunna get fuked up
... I'd rather fight Shiek lol
kage, im decent with ganon, but man i have never done well at ganon vs climbers
i havent played the matchup once in the past 3 years or so i dont think, but yeah it was bad that last time
lately i've been doing better at falco vs marth than i have with falcon, including really good ones like falcomist in friendlies at pound 4
he pretty much rolled on my falcon
i havent played the matchup once in the past 3 years or so i dont think, but yeah it was bad that last time
lately i've been doing better at falco vs marth than i have with falcon, including really good ones like falcomist in friendlies at pound 4
he pretty much rolled on my falcon
Nakamaru
Smash Master
s2j
What are some good approaches against a sheik. It always seems like im trading or losing to tilts. Even noobish sheiks are giving me trouble.
What are some good approaches against a sheik. It always seems like im trading or losing to tilts. Even noobish sheiks are giving me trouble.
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You have to approach when you think you won't get tilted. Shiek you can't blindly n-air in sadly but you can when they don't expect it
you just need a good feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f14fnMsQiVU
reference that match and see how i try my best to juke kira
trading is usually good
but if a shiek is just spamming tilts you can run in between them and grab
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my advice is: if you are tech chasing and you miss a read, don't pursue them further since unlike fox/falco while you can sorta n-air after them or w/e shiek has instant tilts and will probably get you grabbed
and..
never think ur ahead even if ur up a whole stock lol.. patience is extremely important
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you just need a good feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f14fnMsQiVU
reference that match and see how i try my best to juke kira
trading is usually good
but if a shiek is just spamming tilts you can run in between them and grab
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my advice is: if you are tech chasing and you miss a read, don't pursue them further since unlike fox/falco while you can sorta n-air after them or w/e shiek has instant tilts and will probably get you grabbed
and..
never think ur ahead even if ur up a whole stock lol.. patience is extremely important
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Ryzol_
Smash Apprentice
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I forgot what I banned. I still think FoD is a great stage vs Shiek because I'm a weird falcon
but i just realized that a huge flaw of it is that you can't really run away efficiently after you take away a stock
Yeah you can up-b out of shield against tilts..
sadly I have sleep johns so I just played off of instincts without thinking about stuff like that or the fact that Kira more often will not will roll into you or roll to the right
I'm still a huge noob
but i just realized that a huge flaw of it is that you can't really run away efficiently after you take away a stock
Yeah you can up-b out of shield against tilts..
sadly I have sleep johns so I just played off of instincts without thinking about stuff like that or the fact that Kira more often will not will roll into you or roll to the right
I'm still a huge noob
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
ill take that scrawny *** out back and show you exactly what physical labor is.
55-45 Marth or 60-40 Marth.
Falcon has a ****ing hell of a time edgeguarding marth. and the marth player can edgeguard falcon by taking the controller, and smashing his face into it, that EASSSYYYY.
just one example, like Scar said in his epic rant, marth can hit you with his sword once, then he gets auto-comboes to like %150.
otg
Smash Master
lmao, I find it so funny that people consider the matchup in marth's favor nowadays. Back in the day people swore up and down that falcon just molested him, wtf.
Nakamaru
Smash Master
people also thought that marth was garbage, and rolling + C-stick won you matches. I love how games evolve. <3
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marth isn't hard to edgeguard if you light-shield edgehog
if you are light-shielding and they are sorta close to you they'll probably air-dodge. That's when you short hop b-air out of light-shield and ****
you can also go do the Isai way where you grab edge, force them to recover on stage, do edge roll and b-air
or you can b-air when they are beneath the stage and close, at worst you'll trade (or miss if ur dum)
if you are light-shielding and they are sorta close to you they'll probably air-dodge. That's when you short hop b-air out of light-shield and ****
you can also go do the Isai way where you grab edge, force them to recover on stage, do edge roll and b-air
or you can b-air when they are beneath the stage and close, at worst you'll trade (or miss if ur dum)
I'm gonna be completely honest and say that I really don't understand why any Falcons say that Marth is even or Marth's favor... Even if it's true in a void, Falcons routinely **** Marth's face in in tourney matches, so it's effectively in his favor even if BigD goes to town on Falcon mains with Marth in friendlies.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
M2K thinks Falcon ***** Marth.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
its not as easy as "lol lightshield edgeguard" (not saying thats what you're saying s2j) because if it were that easy, marth would easy and this conversation wouldn't even be happening. this wouldnt apply only to falcon, it would be that way for all characters, as every character can lightshield, and then marth wouldnt be ****. But as we all know, marth is in fact a force to be reckoned with.
not to mention the fact that there is more to the match-up than lightshield edgeguard.
for instance, when marth grabs you, there are so many wrong DI's that can get you tipper fsmashed. it all depends on the throw he does. if you di expecting an upthrow, and get a backthrow, enjoy your tipper. get a forward throw? enjoy your regrab x 3 or tipper.
not to mention the fact that there is more to the match-up than lightshield edgeguard.
for instance, when marth grabs you, there are so many wrong DI's that can get you tipper fsmashed. it all depends on the throw he does. if you di expecting an upthrow, and get a backthrow, enjoy your tipper. get a forward throw? enjoy your regrab x 3 or tipper.
but falcon mains dont really go to town on marth mains in tourney
darkrain recently lost to strawhat
ss recently lost to falcomist
s2j lost to falcomist
and ss beat strawhat
thats all of the high level marth vs falcon tourney matches that happened in the past few months that i can think of off the top of my head
kfc beat ss a couple days ago too i think, but i dont know if he used marth or fox
other than these results though, the reason i think that marth beats falcon is based on options and theory garbage. marth just has too many moves that go through all of falcons, and really doesnt get comboed that bad with good DI
darkrain recently lost to strawhat
ss recently lost to falcomist
s2j lost to falcomist
and ss beat strawhat
thats all of the high level marth vs falcon tourney matches that happened in the past few months that i can think of off the top of my head
kfc beat ss a couple days ago too i think, but i dont know if he used marth or fox
other than these results though, the reason i think that marth beats falcon is based on options and theory garbage. marth just has too many moves that go through all of falcons, and really doesnt get comboed that bad with good DI
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What! KFC beat SS? wow....
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to mogwai:
i don't think so
most marths suck lately and or come from regions with no falcons (Europeans)
everybody ****s in Marth's face lately so I guess everybody is the favorite over Marth
except if u look at BigD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s list..
@reneblade I was simply discussing edgeguarding lol and why I think its not as complicated as you think. Actual matchup is something I would love to avoid
as for throw DI I have the reaction speed to change DI based on throws since its like a 0.3 second timing. Practice will get you reacting fast enough.
as for Mew2king I think he just had a bad day against a Falcon with Marth. Him getting ***** anyways seems to boost characters to the top of his tier list anyways (Falco, Jiggs).
i don't think so
most marths suck lately and or come from regions with no falcons (Europeans)
everybody ****s in Marth's face lately so I guess everybody is the favorite over Marth
except if u look at BigD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s list..
@reneblade I was simply discussing edgeguarding lol and why I think its not as complicated as you think. Actual matchup is something I would love to avoid
as for throw DI I have the reaction speed to change DI based on throws since its like a 0.3 second timing. Practice will get you reacting fast enough.
as for Mew2king I think he just had a bad day against a Falcon with Marth. Him getting ***** anyways seems to boost characters to the top of his tier list anyways (Falco, Jiggs).
ive played m2k's marth with falcon and while hes really good at comboing and edgeguarding hes not very good at not getting grabbed
he spot dodges and rolls a ton, and had a tendency to DI in
and yeah kage: http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket8090.gif
thats the bracket, shroomed for best in norcal
kage next time we're at the same tournament i wanna play your ganon with my marth, ive never had trouble in that matchup before and i wanna see what you crazy ganons do to make it hard for marth
he spot dodges and rolls a ton, and had a tendency to DI in
and yeah kage: http://allisbrawl.com/brackets/bracket8090.gif
thats the bracket, shroomed for best in norcal
kage next time we're at the same tournament i wanna play your ganon with my marth, ive never had trouble in that matchup before and i wanna see what you crazy ganons do to make it hard for marth
jetfour
Smash Journeyman
I agree. PC Chris's Falcon versus M2K's Marth match on YS perhaps?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Sure thing man.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
PC lost didnt he?he just combo'd the **** out of him???
Nakamaru
Smash Master
down throw at low %s leads to nair if they DI in, and tech chase if they DI down and away. Upthrow if you want a Uair or platform tech chase. Down throw can sometimes get you nair > Knee. Its a situational and a preference thing at the same time.
Just play around with them and see what you like. I'll sometimes back throw if it places them on a platform like on FoD or yoshi's because i love sh dair tech chase on 2nd tier platforms. Combos into knee so beautifully.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
ComboFest
Smash Lord
Holy crap...
Milos
Smash Lord
55-45 or 60-40 in pika's favor
he has chaingrab and gimps and stuff but falcon can dd camp wait for a grab and **** off of it
he has chaingrab and gimps and stuff but falcon can dd camp wait for a grab and **** off of it
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
the only time ive seen pikachu get 0-deathed by a falcon was darkrain vs pikachad from that tourney that wobbles won.
so i have to respectfully disagree milos.
so i have to respectfully disagree milos.
I think Falcons have a lot to learn about the Pikachu matchup, but until they do, Pikachu pretty much gives Falcon the business because every Pikachu in the world knows it from their side.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
get ***** by m2k jona.
good lord.
good lord.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Pretty funny when you think you are pretty good and then you face M2k.. =P Look what happens.. The reality of it can be willshattering but.. never give up! =P
jetfour
Smash Journeyman
No. Falcon doesn't have a guaranteed knee from grab versus Pikachu unless they have bad DI.
The knee is bad in this matchup
It's only good to punish a big mistake on their part or you connect a stomp. Otherwise it's like approaching with knees versus Marth or Sheik.The worse Falcon habit to do against Pika is to do anything offensive out of shield. Stomp out of shield doesn't work because you'll get punished with aerials easy like Cactuar shield pressure. That equals a huge combo for Pika. Onstage you're screwed with chaingrabs and offstage Uair gimps will destroy you at any percent. This matchup is pretty boring and you have to be extremely patient with spacing your uairs, nairs, and bairs. You can chaingrab dthrow for the first few percents. Punish Pika's recovery like Sheik's. Bair will be your main KO move, unfortunately. The ground is your strong point but don't get grabbed because a Pika grab is as deadly as a Sheik's.
If you're losing to a Pika that's not Axe then you're a scrub.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
pikachu is gay, just further proof that falcon has no good match-ups.
also, didnt we decide that approaching with a knee is a good idea vs sheik? Cause the best you can ever hope for when approaching that ***** is a trade.
Trade with a Knee > trade with a Nair.
also, didnt we decide that approaching with a knee is a good idea vs sheik? Cause the best you can ever hope for when approaching that ***** is a trade.
Trade with a Knee > trade with a Nair.
_marth1_
Smash Lord
pikachu beats falcon really badly
also how come nobody does light shield edge guard vs marth? it makes me mad that i never see anyone do it but its so good
also how come nobody does light shield edge guard vs marth? it makes me mad that i never see anyone do it but its so good
otg
Smash Master
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I hope that's not actually M2K.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
So i just beat Heavy Rain for the first time. I went out of my way to do everything perfect, AND THIS IS WHAT I GET!? Seriously?
2/3 of the good guys die and the bad guy doesn't get caught, but gets domed @ the very end? Really? That's all I get?
Between full-time school, part-time work, a weekend excursion to play melee @ Viperboys, and melee smashfests, it took me 2 ****ing weeks to beat this game, and I get the most disappointing ending possible.
Reneblade's Heat of the Moment Review of Heavy Rain:
-5/10
2/3 of the good guys die and the bad guy doesn't get caught, but gets domed @ the very end? Really? That's all I get?
Between full-time school, part-time work, a weekend excursion to play melee @ Viperboys, and melee smashfests, it took me 2 ****ing weeks to beat this game, and I get the most disappointing ending possible.
Reneblade's Heat of the Moment Review of Heavy Rain:
-5/10
prog
Priest of the Temple of Syrinx
reneblade, you coming to apex?