Tales of Brawl - Innerscope has released Lloyd 2.0!

Up Special: Psi Tempest. It's pretty much how we had imagined Tempest as an up b being earlier. However, for the benefit of you guys, I'll be very clear. Psi Tempest will go about the upwards height of Brawl+ Link's up b. It's not especially high, but it's not going to be absurdly easy to gimp him like vBrawl Link. He will have hitboxes surrounding him. It will hit 6 times for 3% each. Keep in mind, though, that hitting with all six will be very difficult since they don't neatly combo into each other. You're likely to hit with 2-3. Keep in mind also that the hits will go on as Lloyd goes up and a little bit into his fall. Psi Tempest actually had Lloyd end attacking before landing, and that's what we're doing. He goes into special fall. The second to last hit occurs at the peak of the attack and the last after.

Down Special: Beast. Lloyd starts with a quick ram of his shoulder and turns around to unleash a massive beast head. There is huge afterlag, but not much before. The beast head only happens if the shoulder ram connects fully so as to prevent brokenness with sheildstabbing and edgeguarding, etc. There is still lots of lag after missing the shoulder ram. This attack is very punishable if not landed. The move, however, is very punishing if it does land. The shoulder ram does 2% and the beast head does 18%. The knockback is stronger than an Ike ftilt, but not by a huge amount. It should just be a little stronger than that. It needs kill potential at high percentages.

Aerial Down Special: Hunting Beast. It's simply the last hit of Hunting Beast. Lloyd plummets downwards quickly in a manner similar to the down b's of Bowser and Yoshi. Unlike them, however, the hitbox on the way down is more similar to that of King Dedede's up b. It takes the foe down with Lloyd to be hit by the actual part of the attack, the grounded Hunting Beast shockwave. If they're high enough above the ground they should be able to DI away. The downwards hit does 3%, and the shockwave does 14%. The knockback is decent. It's comparable to an uncharged B+ Toon Link down smash in power and direction. There is afterlag of a punishable variety, but not nearly as much as grounded Beast. If you shield or dodge it, you should have time to come in and punish.

Side Special: Rising Falcon. Lloyd goes slightly backwards diagonally upwards with super armor and dives at a pretty shallow angle. He should go about the height of a regular short hop, maybe a little bit higher than some. His body is practically a downwards hitbox as he goes down. He hits the foe along with him so as to hit said foe with the landing part of the attack too. The landing part of the attack is a great combo setup. It hits straight up with a weak knockback but high hitstun. There is some afterlag (not much startup). It's similar to the amount of afterlag from Hunting Beast, except a little less. In the air, Lloyd does not do the upwards part of the attack and just goes straight into the dive.

Neutral Special: Demon Fang. This has pretty much been decided. An unchargable projectile doing 6% that slides along the ground the speed it goes in the game and goes diagonally downwards in the air in a manner similar to Pikachu's. The difference is that it goes back into the diagonally downwards direction when it slides off of platforms. It travels about 3/4 the distance of Final Destination. Knockback and hitstun are both small. Also, Lloyd's slash that generates the Demon Fang has a 2% hitbox also with minimal knockback and hitstun. There's some afterlag, but not much. It's pretty quick all around.

Side Smash: Sonic Thrust. Lloyd thrusts quickly with a sword. At full charge it becomes Super Sonic Thrust and has a jump upwards in knockback and damage (more so than smashes usually increase when charged). At no charge, the move does 13% with medium knockback and 20% with high knockback at full charge. Lag for this move is medium with the lag spread out between before and after lag.

Down Smash: Demonic Circle. Lloyd performs a sped up Demon Fang at a short range in front of him and slams the ground, creating a shock wave that hits in front and behind him. It's pretty powerful since there's some decent afterlag. Also, it does not hit behind him immediately. The damage specs are 2% for the Demon Fang generating slash, 3% for the Demon Fang, 13% for the front of the shockwave and 17% for the back.

Up Smash: Generic Thrust and Slash.Lloyd thrusts a sword upwards, impaling the foe and holding him/her in place. Lloyd quickly slashes with the other sword for the actual slash. Thrust does 4%, slash does 8%. Has weak kill potential, but it definitely exists. Very quick, low lag on both sides, but weak.

Down Tilt: Sword Rain. Lloyd does his trademark, low-centered series of thrusts. With no alterations, it does 9%. There's medium afterlag and little startup. This is the cool part. If Lloyd presses A in a certain small window, he performs Sword Rain Alpha instead. The damage increases to 12%, the knockback increases and changes to upwards, and there's more afterlag. The jump is small, btw. The jumps for these moves are being increased for the sake of convenience. In a smaller window at the sameish time as the first one, you can press B to do Sword Rain Beta instead of Alpha or regular. In Beta, you do a total of 14% damage, the second to last slash ensures the last slash. The last slash hits downwards at an angle, but it's a very weak spike. It's supposed to get the foe on the ground in front of you (at a distance, not immediately in front of you). It also only works at higher damage, like the Ice Climbers grab chaining to a Nana spike. It's very similar to that. The cooldown lag is a tiny bit longer than that of Alpha. Mostly he has to land from his position in the air.

Forward Tilt: Tiger Blade. Lloyd jumps to a very short height (think Marth's short hop in that one B+ build: very, very short), slashing as he does so. He immediately slashes downwards and lands. Lag is small on both ends. The second hit hits forward rather than down. Each hit does 4%. Very quick overall.

Up Tilt: Tempest. This has possibly been the most controversial of the moves in this moveset (barring the whole Beast/Rising Falcon debate). LLoyd quickly jumps up, spinning his swords around him. He falls back down with low/medium afterlag and small startup lag. Does a total of 8-9% if all hits connect. It will not likely hit people on the ground to the side of him with any hits but maybe the first unless they are directly on top of him. People above him, however, will have to take the brunt of the attack. However, there's not much knockback, and it doesn't easily combo into anything. It's mostly punishment of people trying to take easy shots at Lloyd from the air.

Alternative Up Tilt: Generic Slash. In the event of extreme disapproval of Tempest, I have created an alternative Up Tilt. Lloyd takes a leaf out of Link's book and slashes a sword across his body. It does 9%, small knockback, good for comboing. Small lag, etc. It's like B+ Link or Toon Link's Utilt. It fits less with his other tilts, however, since it's non-canon and single hit, but I'm offering it as an alternative if you guys really don't like Tempest.

Neutral Air: Spin and Slash. Lloyd does a spinning move very similar to Peach or Ness's nairs except with swords. It's pretty quick, more medium knockback, and does 12%. Since he has 2 long swords, the hitbox is pretty big. It has medium afterlag, probably the most of his aerials.

Forward Air: Canon Slash. That's right, one of Lloyd's aerials is actually canon! In ToS, hitting "a" in the air made Lloyd do a downwards slash in front of him surprisingly similar to Marth's fair. It does 11% with pretty small diagonally upwards knockback. The upwards angle is pretty low, but not unreasonably so. Pretty low lag on both ends. Like the other aerials, it'll need some playtesting before it's perfected.

Backward Air: Steal Ike's. <- That. Lloyd will perform a much faster spinning strike very similar to Ike's bair and add a second hit with his other sword in as he spins (in this case a little more like Link's fair). It'll be very fast, with the second hit having the knockback, which is medium, a little stronger than the nair, but still weaker than Link's fair. Think of Toon Link's nair for the knockback. First hit does 3%, second 9.

Up Air: Scissor Slash. Lloyd does sort of a scissor cut above him, with one sword starting on one side of his body and the other on the other (as in, his arms start out crossed). He slashes both upwards and they meet in the middle then return to their respective sides. Damage is about 13%, low-medium upwards knockback, sides of attack hit into the middle with weak (2-3% hitboxes) and then they are hit with the middle part.

Down Air: Flip Slash. Lloyd flips upside down towards the screen, slashes beneath him, and flips back upright. Think Diddy's dair were he holding a sword and actually spun all the way around rather than not flipping. It does 15% and is a weak spike. Because of the length of the animation, it actually takes much longer than most of his attacks to startup, and the cooldown lag isn't particularly low either.

Pummel: Pistol whip. Lloyd pummels by pistol whipping with a sword hilt. It does 2% with medium speed, nothing ridiculous like Wolf's knee.

Forward Throw: SPARTA! Lloyd holds the foe out in front of him with his hand and kicks like King Leonidas. 7% damage, low knockback at a low upwards angle. Low afterlag.

Back Throw: No Good Name. Lloyd spins around and throws the foe backwards and slashes with the other hand as he continues spinning. Low knockback, 9% damage, low afterlag. Same old, same old.

Up Throw: Impale. This is the weakest of my throw ideas. Lloyd throws the foe upwards and thrusts his free sword upwards afterward. Pretty low knockback and generally not very useful. 9% damage and medium afterlag.

Down Throw: Fierce Demon Fang. This is the coolest throw idea and the most solid. It's also going to be the most useful. Lloyd throws the foe to the ground and smashes him/her/it with a Fierce Demon Fang. He slams the ground with his sword and all of the debris or whatever those brown circles in the game were provide a multi-hit attack with a total of 16% damage and lowish upward/forward knockback. It's also his best throw to setup for aerials, particularly his fair. It might need to be toned down a bit; we'll have to playtest. I want it to easily be the best throw, though.

Special Mechanic: Guardian. By pressing "b" while shielding, Lloyd activates Guardian. If Lloyd is being attacked, it functions as a perfect shield and blocks it. If, however, a projectile runs into Guardian, it's reflected! Don't think it's broken, however. Remember how in-game Lloyd holds the pose while the Guardian fades? Well, that happens here, too, and Lloyd is vulnerable to attacks in that period. It'll need some playtesting to get right, I think.

Jab: Canon Jab. My recommendation for the jab is (shockingly) the jab that Lloyd uses in ToS. He slashes twice and then spins, hitting twice more. Damage is 3-3-2-2%. Knockback is whatever's regular for a medium-usefulness jab (some, like Ike or Lucas's jabs, are too good for Lloyd).

Dash Attack: Marth w/Beam Sword. When I was pondering Lloyd's moveset, I looked at the attacks a few sword characters did with beamswords. Marth's running attack stood out as an excellent choice for Lloyd's since it's a cool and quick utilization of both swords, which is what Lloyd's non-canon moves should emphasize. He starts with the left sword on the right side of his body and slashes diagonally upwards, starting to spin as he does so. The right sword follows after and Lloyd finishes the spin. Each sword does 6% and knockback occurs on the second strike. It hits diagonally upwards for a medium power hit (for a running attack) at about a pi/4 radian angle. For those of you who prefer degrees, that's 45 of those

Ground Getup Attack. I honestly don't have many ideas here... My initial moveset plan only says to "Steal Link's." Maybe some slight alteration would not be amiss...? I was thinking about having him slash in front of him with one sword and behind with the other.

Low Damage Ledge Getup Attack. More Zelda game thievery involved here... My best idea is to approximately steal Toon Link's. Lloyd flips up onto the ledge, slashing a sword above his head as he does so. It's a very good getup attack, leaving you vulnerable for a surprisingly low amount of time. It's certainly punishable if shielded, but overall better than most.

High Damage Ledge Getup Attack. This one is more theft of Meta Knight's attack. Lloyd gets up on the ledge and slashes quickly across his body. There's a little bit of time vulnerable before and after this move, and it's not that great.

Up Special: Psi Tempest. It's pretty much how we had imagined Tempest as an up b being earlier. However, for the benefit of you guys, I'll be very clear. Psi Tempest will go about the upwards height of Brawl+ Link's up b. It's not especially high, but it's not going to be absurdly easy to gimp him like vBrawl Link. He will have hitboxes surrounding him. It will hit 6 times for 3% each. Keep in mind, though, that hitting with all six will be very difficult since they don't neatly combo into each other. You're likely to hit with 2-3. Keep in mind also that the hits will go on as Lloyd goes up and a little bit into his fall. Psi Tempest actually had Lloyd end attacking before landing, and that's what we're doing. He goes into special fall. The second to last hit occurs at the peak of the attack and the last after.
I like this as long as you can move to the left and right slightly to angel the direction you go, going straight up would just be plain annoying =p


Down Special: Beast. Lloyd starts with a quick ram of his shoulder and turns around to unleash a massive beast head. There is huge afterlag, but not much before. The beast head only happens if the shoulder ram connects fully so as to prevent brokenness with sheildstabbing and edgeguarding, etc. There is still lots of lag after missing the shoulder ram. This attack is very punishable if not landed. The move, however, is very punishing if it does land. The shoulder ram does 2% and the beast head does 18%. The knockback is stronger than an Ike ftilt, but not by a huge amount. It should just be a little stronger than that. It needs kill potential at high percentages.
A 20% B attack with monstrous kb THAT'S SPAMMABLE? Please rethink damages and kb's even cooldowns please :V. Having endlag makes it punishable, but doesn't prevent it from being spammable =p


Aerial Down Special: Hunting Beast. It's simply the last hit of Hunting Beast. Lloyd plummets downwards quickly in a manner similar to the down b's of Bowser and Yoshi. Unlike them, however, the hitbox on the way down is more similar to that of King Dedede's up b. It takes the foe down with Lloyd to be hit by the actual part of the attack, the grounded Hunting Beast shockwave. If they're high enough above the ground they should be able to DI away. The downwards hit does 3%, and the shockwave does 14%. The knockback is decent. It's comparable to an uncharged B+ Toon Link down smash in power and direction. There is afterlag of a punishable variety, but not nearly as much as grounded Beast. If you shield or dodge it, you should have time to come in and punish.
I still think that Aerial Down B should be Rising falcon that works similarly to rising Falcon kick, as in it has no start lag and it launches him directly at the ground at a 30-45 degree angle, if he doesn't hit the ground he'll cancel out of it in 2-3 seconds, but if he does he does a quick slash that grants him 15% heavy armor for the first 30 frames of the slash (1/2 a second) Simple knockback but large damage; 15-16%


Side Special: Rising Falcon. Lloyd goes slightly backwards diagonally upwards with super armor and dives at a pretty shallow angle. He should go about the height of a regular short hop, maybe a little bit higher than some. His body is practically a downwards hitbox as he goes down. He hits the foe along with him so as to hit said foe with the landing part of the attack too. The landing part of the attack is a great combo setup. It hits straight up with a weak knockback but high hitstun. There is some afterlag (not much startup). It's similar to the amount of afterlag from Hunting Beast, except a little less. In the air, Lloyd does not do the upwards part of the attack and just goes straight into the dive.
And for Side B in air and ground I thought that Super Sonic Thrust would be the way to go, its also charagable so it'd work like Marth's Neutral B.


Neutral Special: Demon Fang. This has pretty much been decided. An unchargable projectile doing 6% that slides along the ground the speed it goes in the game and goes diagonally downwards in the air in a manner similar to Pikachu's. The difference is that it goes back into the diagonally downwards direction when it slides off of platforms. It travels about 3/4 the distance of Final Destination. Knockback and hitstun are both small. Also, Lloyd's slash that generates the Demon Fang has a 2% hitbox also with minimal knockback and hitstun. There's some afterlag, but not much. It's pretty quick all around.
I like every single idea here except that it goes 3/4 the distance of FD. Currently all our articles are being occupied with his swords, so it'll have to be made of gfx, SOOOOO, we can't have it go that far, it'd hover in midair since we can't give it special properties.

Side Smash: Sonic Thrust. Lloyd thrusts quickly with a sword. At full charge it becomes Super Sonic Thrust and has a jump upwards in knockback and damage (more so than smashes usually increase when charged). At no charge, the move does 13% with medium knockback and 20% with high knockback at full charge. Lag for this move is medium with the lag spread out between before and after lag.
I still think that this would work better as Side special, but I have no other ideas that could replace this..... I think that he should just have a standard slash for Fsmash, I don't see why we have to assign a tech to each attack.

Down Smash: Demonic Circle. Lloyd performs a sped up Demon Fang at a short range in front of him and slams the ground, creating a shock wave that hits in front and behind him. It's pretty powerful since there's some decent afterlag. Also, it does not hit behind him immediately. The damage specs are 2% for the Demon Fang generating slash, 3% for the Demon Fang, 13% for the front of the shockwave and 17% for the back.
I like this, but @ what % does it kill?


Up Smash: Generic Thrust and Slash.Lloyd thrusts a sword upwards, impaling the foe and holding him/her in place. Lloyd quickly slashes with the other sword for the actual slash. Thrust does 4%, slash does 8%. Has weak kill potential, but it definitely exists. Very quick, low lag on both sides, but weak.
How about instead of a thrust its a weak slash then a stronger slash that has kill potential. Slash from Right to left side with left sword then strong slash with a spin with right, so its kinda like Link's only 2 hits.

Down Tilt: Sword Rain. Lloyd does his trademark, low-centered series of thrusts. With no alterations, it does 9%. There's medium afterlag and little startup. This is the cool part. If Lloyd presses A in a certain small window, he performs Sword Rain Alpha instead. The damage increases to 12%, the knockback increases and changes to upwards, and there's more afterlag. The jump is small, btw. The jumps for these moves are being increased for the sake of convenience. In a smaller window at the sameish time as the first one, you can press B to do Sword Rain Beta instead of Alpha or regular. In Beta, you do a total of 14% damage, the second to last slash ensures the last slash. The last slash hits downwards at an angle, but it's a very weak spike. It's supposed to get the foe on the ground in front of you (at a distance, not immediately in front of you). It also only works at higher damage, like the Ice Climbers grab chaining to a Nana spike. It's very similar to that. The cooldown lag is a tiny bit longer than that of Alpha. Mostly he has to land from his position in the air.
Sword rain is the rapid jab and that is final. I think it should go jab -> jab -> rapid jab (Sword rain) then sword rain thrust and he ends with the sonic thrust pushing them back.


Forward Tilt: Tiger Blade. Lloyd jumps to a very short height (think Marth's short hop in that one B+ build: very, very short), slashing as he does so. He immediately slashes downwards and lands. Lag is small on both ends. The second hit hits forward rather than down. Each hit does 4%. Very quick overall.
I'm iffy on this because tilts are supposed to be fast and simple, as much as I like this idea I just don't think it'd work well in the moveset. What if you're near a ledge? Does he fall off the ledge? Or does the unlucky foe there get spiked off the ledge because they're in air and you're still technically on the ground (Animations) ?


Up Tilt: Tempest. This has possibly been the most controversial of the moves in this moveset (barring the whole Beast/Rising Falcon debate). LLoyd quickly jumps up, spinning his swords around him. He falls back down with low/medium afterlag and small startup lag. Does a total of 8-9% if all hits connect. It will not likely hit people on the ground to the side of him with any hits but maybe the first unless they are directly on top of him. People above him, however, will have to take the brunt of the attack. However, there's not much knockback, and it doesn't easily combo into anything. It's mostly punishment of people trying to take easy shots at Lloyd from the air.
I don't like this idea only because you already have tempeset being used twice and 3 is one too many. And it could be broken considering you could probably juggle exTREMELY easily wit this.


Alternative Up Tilt: Generic Slash. In the event of extreme disapproval of Tempest, I have created an alternative Up Tilt. Lloyd takes a leaf out of Link's book and slashes a sword across his body. It does 9%, small knockback, good for comboing. Small lag, etc. It's like B+ Link or Toon Link's Utilt. It fits less with his other tilts, however, since it's non-canon and single hit, but I'm offering it as an alternative if you guys really don't like Tempest.
Better than tempest utilt

Neutral Air: Spin and Slash. Lloyd does a spinning move very similar to Peach or Ness's nairs except with swords. It's pretty quick, more medium knockback, and does 12%. Since he has 2 long swords, the hitbox is pretty big. It has medium afterlag, probably the most of his aerials.
I still think that it should be tempest, just because it'd fit better than a different kind of spin.


Forward Air: Canon Slash. That's right, one of Lloyd's aerials is actually canon! In ToS, hitting "a" in the air made Lloyd do a downwards slash in front of him surprisingly similar to Marth's fair. It does 11% with pretty small diagonally upwards knockback. The upwards angle is pretty low, but not unreasonably so. Pretty low lag on both ends. Like the other aerials, it'll need some playtesting before it's perfected.
I like this idea because I already have the animation for that so that knocks fair out of the way.


Backward Air: Steal Ike's. <- That. Lloyd will perform a much faster spinning strike very similar to Ike's bair and add a second hit with his other sword in as he spins (in this case a little more like Link's fair). It'll be very fast, with the second hit having the knockback, which is medium, a little stronger than the nair, but still weaker than Link's fair. Think of Toon Link's nair for the knockback. First hit does 3%, second 9.
I like it. It'll be a 2-1 slash with left hand and then a 2-3 slash with right hand when he turns to face the foe, then turns around quickly.



Up Air: Scissor Slash. Lloyd does sort of a scissor cut above him, with one sword starting on one side of his body and the other on the other (as in, his arms start out crossed). He slashes both upwards and they meet in the middle then return to their respective sides. Damage is about 13%, low-medium upwards knockback, sides of attack hit into the middle with weak (2-3% hitboxes) and then they are hit with the middle part.
Yay generic attacks. It'll have some slight startup lag so he can put his arms in the right place for the attack.


Down Air: Flip Slash. Lloyd flips upside down towards the screen, slashes beneath him, and flips back upright. Think Diddy's dair were he holding a sword and actually spun all the way around rather than not flipping. It does 15% and is a weak spike. Because of the length of the animation, it actually takes much longer than most of his attacks to startup, and the cooldown lag isn't particularly low either.
So like Ike's dair only he keeps going...... I sense a pattern here

Pummel: Pistol whip. Lloyd pummels by pistol whipping with a sword hilt. It does 2% with medium speed, nothing ridiculous like Wolf's knee.
I like it.


Forward Throw: SPARTA! Lloyd holds the foe out in front of him with his hand and kicks like King Leonidas. 7% damage, low knockback at a low upwards angle. Low afterlag.
Win, but add a slash to it, like he kicks and then does a VERY quick turn around slash with his right hand.


Back Throw: No Good Name. Lloyd spins around and throws the foe backwards and slashes with the other hand as he continues spinning. Low knockback, 9% damage, low afterlag. Same old, same old.
How about instead he slashes the foe to the ground and then jumps to the other side of the foe and does a 3-2 and a 4-1 slash at the same time with both swords, knocking them away.


Up Throw: Impale. This is the weakest of my throw ideas. Lloyd throws the foe upwards and thrusts his free sword upwards afterward. Pretty low knockback and generally not very useful. 9% damage and medium afterlag.
Since we're already taking so much from Link why don't we take his Uthrow too


Down Throw: Fierce Demon Fang. This is the coolest throw idea and the most solid. It's also going to be the most useful. Lloyd throws the foe to the ground and smashes him/her/it with a Fierce Demon Fang. He slams the ground with his sword and all of the debris or whatever those brown circles in the game were provide a multi-hit attack with a total of 16% damage and lowish upward/forward knockback. It's also his best throw to setup for aerials, particularly his fair. It might need to be toned down a bit; we'll have to playtest. I want it to easily be the best throw, though.
****. YES. But damage needs to be nerfed; 16% for a grab is extremely borked and he's not going to have a grab happy playstyle on my watch.

Special Mechanic: Guardian. By pressing "b" while shielding, Lloyd activates Guardian. If Lloyd is being attacked, it functions as a perfect shield and blocks it. If, however, a projectile runs into Guardian, it's reflected! Don't think it's broken, however. Remember how in-game Lloyd holds the pose while the Guardian fades? Well, that happens here, too, and Lloyd is vulnerable to attacks in that period. It'll need some playtesting to get right, I think.
Good idea, but I think it should be the Z shield instead of R+B, just cuz :V


Jab: Canon Jab. My recommendation for the jab is (shockingly) the jab that Lloyd uses in ToS. He slashes twice and then spins, hitting twice more. Damage is 3-3-2-2%. Knockback is whatever's regular for a medium-usefulness jab (some, like Ike or Lucas's jabs, are too good for Lloyd).
2-3 with right hand, 3-4 with left hand, then either the spin or if you spam A at the right time he does the rapid jab.


Dash Attack: Marth w/Beam Sword. When I was pondering Lloyd's moveset, I looked at the attacks a few sword characters did with beamswords. Marth's running attack stood out as an excellent choice for Lloyd's since it's a cool and quick utilization of both swords, which is what Lloyd's non-canon moves should emphasize. He starts with the left sword on the right side of his body and slashes diagonally upwards, starting to spin as he does so. The right sword follows after and Lloyd finishes the spin. Each sword does 6% and knockback occurs on the second strike. It hits diagonally upwards for a medium power hit (for a running attack) at about a pi/4 radian angle <- I lol'd. For those of you who prefer degrees, that's 45 of those
As long as it can't kill (easily) and can be followed up with just about any aerial I like it.


Ground Getup Attack. I honestly don't have many ideas here... My initial moveset plan only says to "Steal Link's." Maybe some slight alteration would not be amiss...? I was thinking about having him slash in front of him with one sword and behind with the other.
I lied before. This set needs more Tempest. I demand a mini tempest for getup attck while he's on his side :D


Low Damage Ledge Getup Attack. More Zelda game thievery involved here... My best idea is to approximately steal Toon Link's. Lloyd flips up onto the ledge, slashing a sword above his head as he does so. It's a very good getup attack, leaving you vulnerable for a surprisingly low amount of time. It's certainly punishable if shielded, but overall better than most.
I'm fine with this, but incorporate both swords; have him do a back flip up to the stage like Tink does, then slice with both swords in a 2-3 and 1-4 manner.


High Damage Ledge Getup Attack. This one is more theft of Meta Knight's attack. Lloyd gets up on the ledge and slashes quickly across his body. There's a little bit of time vulnerable before and after this move, and it's not that great.
How about he slowly gets up from the ledge then does a nice Kung fu kick at a 45 degree angle while crouched down slightly before standing up.
This'll work til we get a better idea