Brawl Custom Music Hub: Archiving all the music in one place!

Linkshot · Jun 11, 2010

Did you skip over my Iji songs or something? D:

Segtendo · Jun 11, 2010

Tetris DS - Super Mario Bros. By Segtendo - DEMO
Tetris DS - Super Mario Bros. 3 By Segtendo - DEMO
Tetris DS - Title Screen By Segtendo - DEMO

"Mario Tetris" and "Mario Tetris 3" have Youtube links that don't work.

VysetheLegend · Jun 11, 2010

CyberGlitch said:
Vyse, do you want to make that post a soundtrack post? Just add a little extra formatting to make it like the other soundtracks and I'll link it to the OP.

Done. I added the other songs that were already in the OP.

Nintendo Maniac 64 · Jun 12, 2010

Apologies to moosehunter for "re-creating" a Metroid Prime Magmoor Caverns BRSTM, but mine's higher quality

(mine's 44.1KHz and directly from the CD OST － moosehunter's is 32KHz and is from an already compressed audio data-rip)

Also I re-did the credits song for Metroid Prime as well (using the same CD OST source as above), so it'd be great if you could update the link for that as well (it's just higher quality and the re-loop no longer has a short volume increase - also gave it its true song title)

Metroid Prime ★ Magmoor Caverns By Nintendo Maniac 64 - DEMO

Metroid Prime ★ Ending Staff Roll By Nintendo Maniac 64 - DEMO

Also there's still ? marks instead of stars on there :/ (mostly on MY songs XD FYI all my stars were green stars, I've never uploaded a non-looping song except for most victory themes)

CoonTail · Jun 12, 2010

Just a quick question are any of these available for DL just in MP3 not the brawl music format.....sorry for the question I hope Im not posting this in the wrong area or anything just please lemme know.

Im really not looking for infractions so my bad if this is in the wrong place

OceanBlue · Jun 12, 2010

Ice_Coon45 said:
Just a quick question are any of these available for DL just in MP3 not the brawl music format.....sorry for the question I hope Im not posting this in the wrong area or anything just please lemme know.

Im really not looking for infractions so my bad if this is in the wrong place

No.

10nos

Linkshot · Jun 12, 2010

I only put MP3's up when the song isn't on YouTube.

Segtendo · Jun 12, 2010

Moosehunter's website for BRSTMs converts the uploaded BRSTM to a preview too. I guess you could consider that a preview

EDIT:
Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney Investigations - Tricks and Gimmicks By Segtendo - DEMO
Super Mario RPG - Rawest Forest (Custom Loop) - Märta By Segtendo - DEMO I know this song is up, but mine has a custom loop.
Super Mario RPG - Vs. Bowser By Segtendo - DEMO The one on here is low quality. (No offense to original creator).

JLHack7 · Jun 13, 2010

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Spec Ops Menu By JLHack7 - DEMO

Loops without fading out.

Linkshot · Jun 13, 2010

I should have done this a long time ago.

GAME
Cave Story ★ Ball of Ballos (No Intro) ★ Tackle by Linkshot - DEMO - Loop: 1:27-5:34

STARS. STARS EVERYWHERE. HOLY **** THIS DOESN'T HAVE A SUPER LONG INTRO ANYMORE

<3

There's no way to seamlessly loop it, but I did a **** good job.

masamunecyrus · Jun 13, 2010

I have a bunch of .brstms I need to normalize (105 of them) and I thought that I'd share my experience. Hopefully some of my troubles can be avoided in the future by those who read this.

Going from my initial .brstm, converting them to wav, and then back to .brstm, I have found no noticeable loss in quality. Even in cases where I think that I might hear a slight loss in quality, the difference is so minor (e.g., going from lossless audio to mp3) that it will never be heard on a stereo TV while Brawling.

So, I have these 105 .brstm files, and I need to find a way to make them all identically loud. My solution is a relatively complex chain of events.

For each .brstm I am going to replace, I opened up the original .brstm and, using foobar, did a ReplayGain scan on it. I recorded the original Brawl brstm's ReplainGain value, and then I set out to make all of my custom .brstms have the exact same ReplayGain value as their orignal counterpart, thus being the same loudness as the original!

Here is where the problems started coming in, however...

I opened each and every new .brstm with Brawlbox, noted its looping point (so I can recreate them after I normalize the volume), and then saved them as .wav files. When I was finally done with this process, I took a listen and there was clicking and popping all throughout the audio. I'm guessing that for some reason Brawlbox is clipping the peaks of the audio.

The next alternative is to just use Foobar with the vgmstream input plugin and convert them all to .wav's. Now, I was running into looping problems. Upon further inspection, foobar clips the end of every song by about 82 samples (an extremely short period of time, but enough to affect the loop)!

One more time, let's try Winamp. Using the latest in_vgmstream and Winamp's default Diskwriter plugin, I successfully converted all of the .brstms into .wav files.

Now, onto normalizing.

Remember that I wrote down the ReplayGain info for all of the original Brawl .brstms? Well, unfortunately .wav files do not hold .tags. So I converted all of the .wav files into .flac format with foobar2000. Now, I made a huge Excel file that calculated the difference between the ReplayGain values of my new, custom .brstms and the old Braw .brstms. I then went back and manually edited the ReplayGain tag for each and every .flac file, typing in the difference between the old and the new .brstm ReplayGain values so that the old .brstms and the new .brstm's would have the same value. I converted all of these back to .wav files using foobar, once again, and then used Brawlbox to convert each and every file back to a .brstm. For some reason, the clicking and popping only occurs when using Brawlbox to convert from .brstm to .wav. From .wav to .brstm, it's fine (I double-checked and Brawlbox did not mess with my .wav's volume levels when I converted it to .brstm).

This method is foolproof, right? Wrong.

So, as it turns out, Brawls songs do not have a simple, standard volume. Many are louder, and many are quieter. They were all created with Brawl in mind, however, so the average volume of each individual song remains fairly consistent. That is, there are not very quiet parts and very loud parts; it's consistently the same volume. This is not the case with many of my .brstm files, especially so for orchestrated ones! So the ReplayGain values were calculated with the loud parts in mind, and the result is that during a good portion of the song where it's quiet, you can't hear a thing over the battlecries in Brawl!

Time to fix this by using dynamic range compressing!

Since I deleted old files and such, I needed to do this all again from scratch. Using Winamp (and make sure you remember to tell vgmstream to ignore looping!), I converted all of my custom .brstms to .wav files. Using foobar, I converted all of my .wav files to .flac. Then, I found this create Audacity plugin -- Chris's dynamic compressor. What this does is makes the loudness of the song more even throughout. Basically, it makes the quiet parts louder and the louder parts quieter to achieve a relatively average loudness throughout the entire song. This is terrible for music accuracy (which is what ReplayGain is for), but great for, say, listening to orchestrated music in a loud place. Or... hearing music over the top of Brawl matches. By the way, for those interested, there is a great foobar2000 plugin valled Vlevel that does this kind of compression in real-time, which is great for when you're listening to songs late at night and don't want to jump out of your seat when a loud song comes on.

So, download Chris's dynamic compressor and install it in Audacity (read the readme). Open up each song that you aren't satisfied with the volume level on and use that plugin (it's called "Compress dynamics..." in the Effects menu)! This should make your song sound a lot more evenly loud, and now you can save it as a flac, again. (If you are a more advanced user, you can enable advanced options in Chris's plugin. Read about them on his tutorial, and to enable them, just open up the compressor.py plugin file with something like notepad and the instructions are written there.)

Now we save the .flacs back as normalized .wav files, and convert to .brstm with Brawlbox!

If you load all of your .flac files into foobar2000 and go to convert them to .wav files, there is a "Processing" tab. Click on it, and go to ReplayGain Processing. Now you can see the values in "Preamp" to +5 or so (which you'll see is 94 dB, which is what people around here think is a good volume). You can adjust those Preamp values to whatever you want, though. Those values are ultimately going to affect your song's final loudness.

Now that they're all .wav files, again, just open up Brawlbox and make a new .brstm with your .wav files. As stated previously, for some reason converting from .wav to .brstm in Brawlbox is fine even though going from .brstm to .wav is not good.'

Tada!

masamunecyrus · Jun 13, 2010

On second look, there's still something screwy going on with my song length. Graaagghh!!!!!

masamunecyrus · Jun 13, 2010

So, some songs this works 100% well. Other songs, it doesn't. And yet, again, for some songs, converting to .wav using Androu's tool works, and for others it doesn't! In fact, this one song I have converts to .wav differently depending on whether I'm using foobar, winamp, brawlbox, or androu's tool. And none of them are right!

Ugh.

EDIT: It seems that this method works most of the time. For those bizarre .brstms that hate us, the song length is only changed by a few samples, so we just have to re-loop those.

Boofy! · Jun 14, 2010

does anyone know the name of this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY_ldGIYIxk&feature=related

Nintendo Maniac 64 · Jun 14, 2010

masamunecyrus, I was reading your post very intently, but got concerned when you claimed that Replay Gain only calculates based on loud spots in audio - this is not true, it takes the AVERAGE. I hate to break it to ya, but if there's a quiet spot in a song, it's meant to be quiet for a reason, otherwise it wouldn't have been quiet in the first place!

Even worse, you said those dreaded words...

DYNAMIC RANGE COMPRESSION

This is the bane of all audiophiles, plain and simple. However most (along with myself) don't have a problem with it AS LONG AS NON-COMPRESSED VERSIONS ARE PROVIDED AS WELL - this is very important.

But even then...

during a good portion of the song where it's quiet, you can't hear a thing over the battlecries in Brawl!

This itself is inaccurate. Did you have issues with the music volume back on SSB64? Probably not, and that game (like all on-the-fly synthesized music) had no dynamic range compression AT ALL. I hate to break it to ya, but most game DON'T use dynamic range compression, and for good reason - there's no need to. (it's mainly used to increase loudness via gain without adjusting volume by sacrificing dynamics and highs & lows. Why would you need to do this if a game, being a computer program, can just be set to adjust the output volume itself? It's mostly a marketing tactic to "stand out"; commercials and big label music use it a ton)

Now I don't know if you haven't done this, but it's known that Brawl's sound effects by default are much louder than its music. It's HIGHLY recommended to adjust this in the options (moving it to the music side by 2 to 2.5 markers).

And there IS a relative equal volume used for Brawl songs - it's called 94db to 95db (based on 50ms RMS averaging, the same thing Replay Gain does).

It just so happens that the songs that "break" this rule are songs that are direct copies from other games (including Melee), since Nintendo used a surprisingly high gain level for Brawl's music. (Metroid Prime's is ~92db, as is most Nintendo-made N64 games for example) And to make things MORE complicated, some songs (usually the quieter ones) actually play back in-game louder than their BRSTM file suggests - apparently there's a volume setting in the BRSTM format that none of the converters actually know how to use (according to the author of Brawl Custom Song Maker GUI)

The loudness war is already a big enough issue due to the control marketing has over engineering - we don't need to start participating in it voluntarily.

Clai · Jun 15, 2010

I love the OCRremix of Trance Turnabout, especially the beautiful piano medley that comes at the ending. I've decided to upload the "Trance" part of the song as a stage BRSTM and the piano ending as a separate victory theme.

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trance Turnabout - Overclocked Remix By Clai - DEMO from 0:00-5:01

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trance Turnabout (Victory Theme) - Overclocked Remix By Clai - DEMO from 5:04-6:21

Another BRSTM:

Scarlet Weather Rhapsody - Sakuya Izayoi's Theme- Flowering Night - Enemy Controller Remix By Clai - DEMO

And for those who like the remix but want the song instead of the words:

Scarlet Weather Rhapsody - Sakuya Izayoi's Theme- Flowering Night - Cool and Create By Clai - DEMO

darksamus77 · Jun 15, 2010

Well, Stemage released this 9 days ago, so, of course I made it into a BRSTM, like all the others...

Metroid Metal - Sector 1 by darksamus77 - DEMO

I'll also update the post that I have the entire Metroid Metal soundtrack with it, but posted here so you guys could get it, if you want it...

Lucina Clash · Jun 16, 2010

Note --- Both of these songs are not from a video game. These songs were ripped from an album named Sonic Arcade.

Sonic Arcade - They Call Me Sonic (Air Rave) By darksamus77 - DEMO

Sonic Arcade - Sonic Electronic By darksamus77 - DEMO

masamunecyrus · Jun 20, 2010

Nintendo Maniac 64 said:
masamunecyrus, I was reading your post very intently, but got concerned when you claimed that Replay Gain only calculates based on loud spots in audio - this is not true, it takes the AVERAGE. I hate to break it to ya, but if there's a quiet spot in a song, it's meant to be quiet for a reason, otherwise it wouldn't have been quiet in the first place!

Even worse, you said those dreaded words...

DYNAMIC RANGE COMPRESSION

This is the bane of all audiophiles, plain and simple. However most (along with myself) don't have a problem with it AS LONG AS NON-COMPRESSED VERSIONS ARE PROVIDED AS WELL - this is very important.

But even then...

This itself is inaccurate. Did you have issues with the music volume back on SSB64? Probably not, and that game (like all on-the-fly synthesized music) had no dynamic range compression AT ALL. I hate to break it to ya, but most game DON'T use dynamic range compression, and for good reason - there's no need to. (it's mainly used to increase loudness via gain without adjusting volume by sacrificing dynamics and highs & lows. Why would you need to do this if a game, being a computer program, can just be set to adjust the output volume itself? It's mostly a marketing tactic to "stand out"; commercials and big label music use it a ton)

Now I don't know if you haven't done this, but it's known that Brawl's sound effects by default are much louder than its music. It's HIGHLY recommended to adjust this in the options (moving it to the music side by 2 to 2.5 markers).

And there IS a relative equal volume used for Brawl songs - it's called 94db to 95db (based on 50ms RMS averaging, the same thing Replay Gain does).

It just so happens that the songs that "break" this rule are songs that are direct copies from other games (including Melee), since Nintendo used a surprisingly high gain level for Brawl's music. (Metroid Prime's is ~92db, as is most Nintendo-made N64 games for example) And to make things MORE complicated, some songs (usually the quieter ones) actually play back in-game louder than their BRSTM file suggests - apparently there's a volume setting in the BRSTM format that none of the converters actually know how to use (according to the author of Brawl Custom Song Maker GUI)

The loudness war is already a big enough issue due to the control marketing has over engineering - we don't need to start participating in it voluntarily.

I think you're misinterpreting it a little bit. What I was meaning to say was that, say you have a song that's quiet for a significant portion, and then extremely loud for another duration, and during the extremely loud portion, there's one spike in volume level. ReplayGain isn't going to clip that one extremely loud burst (for good reason, it's lossless!) just to bring the extremely quiet portion up a bit. Replay Gain brings the entire average of the song up to the closest to -89dB (or whatever you set it at) up to the point where it doesn't clip any peaks. But the issue with Brawl is that you can't hear a thing, then, during the quiet part.

Specifically, I'm talking about this song that I'm using on Luigi's Mansion. You can't hear the beginning, or around the 2:00 mark at all. It's nearly silent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGmEPp28QOg

Now, about the dynamic range compression -- I know it's the bane of audiophiles, and I even mentioned that in my post. But it doesn't matter when you're compressing songs into .brstm format, and then playing them through 2 channel stereo!

Of course no games use dynamic range compression. The reason being is that the composer had already made his song an appropriate level to fit with the game. If you go through the Brawl soundtrack, there really aren't any songs that go from tremendously quiet to tremendously loud. The songs that were in Brawl were designed for use in Brawl, and the music director's job would have been to provide the composers with feedback on their music, including adjustments to the overall volume of the song. I think dynamics compression does have a bad rap, though, for its use in things like commercials, where it just warps the song to death for no other purpose than to achieve ATTENTION-GRABBING-LOUDNESS!!1!!1!

The specific dynamics compressor that I linked to, I think, has a much more subtle effect. For example, here are two .mp3 files, one for the original Nightmare Before Kefka, and one for my compressed Nightmare Before Kefka.

The original is not suitable for Brawl. It's too quiet, plain and simple. If you increase the volume to a point where you can hear it (and I already have my music turned up in Brawl), then the loud part is too loud.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mllmauljoti/nightmare_before_kefka.mp3

The one with compressed dynamics is much more suitable for Brawl. The orchestra still sounds natural, but the entire song is more uniformly loud. I think that you'll find that it's not ATTENTION-GRABBINGLY-LOUD, and the song hasn't been warped by its compression. IMO, it is much more suitable for Brawl playing.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hbl22utz4lh/nightmare_before_kefka_compressed.mp3

It is interesting, though, that there is a volume level that the brstm creators don't know how to adjust. I was wondering what the "Gain" attribute that Androu's tool read was for.

I await your reply in our little mini-argument, here.

Linkshot · Jun 21, 2010

GAME
Iji - Hero 3D by Linkshot - DEMO

I upped the volume since the last version.

Lohead · Jun 21, 2010

Earthworm Jim (Special Edition) - Use Your Head By Lohead - DEMO

This one sounds pretty cool.
Kind of like its SNES/GEN edition, but remade and remastered.

Hozu · Jun 21, 2010

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Sound and Drama CD) - Hyrule Castle By Hozu - DEMO

Might as well now that there's a Hyrule Castle 64 hack out there...

hichez50 · Jun 21, 2010

do you know if phantom wing will release the source to any of his programs?

Segtendo · Jun 21, 2010

hichez50 said:
do you know if phantom wing will release the source to any of his programs?

I believe he released the source to a beta of 0.64. People are working on making it better.

moosehunter · Jun 23, 2010

Edit: Move along now. Nothing to see here...

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CyberGlitch · Jun 23, 2010

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You are insane moosehunter...in the best possible way.

@masamunecyrus, it can be nice to leave an option to get the "high dynamic range" version of the brstm, especially for the songs that really take advantage of it, but as a default go for that which is "meant" for Brawl and has the more normalized audio (even if some quality is lost). If you do have two versions of the song (one of them high fidelity) I'll list both in the OP.

Also, people are requesting a version of formatting website which caters to remixed songs (which use the slightly different formatting). Any chance of getting this option? The website has worked fantastic otherwise! Another less important feature would be to easily add star ratings to your songs.

Alright, planning on starting another big update this Friday (I have classes Monday through Thursday).

Segtendo · Jun 23, 2010

Moosehunter, you are awesome. Thanks for the PM.

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